Sw pvp

bakaslam · May 2015

Hello folks!
We are recognized as the weakest class in all the game.
When there is a SW in PVP, people just have fun killing us, forgetting even to cap the bases to get an extra kill.

I know there are some experienced Warlocks that can stand out in PVP, and that's what I am looking for.

Anyone can help me (and people like me) to build a better Warlock?

Thank you!

vasdamas · May 2015

Yeah....fun...and curse at you badly once they can't kill you 2vs1 and their bums rolled over...
What tree are you? At the moment I have issues of giving any certain "good" pvp build for warlock, to be honest. Since there are many broken things now which mostly hurt warlock bad in pvp and the most effective build, in my opinion, of fury SB warlock often has issues against reflecting damage boons/powers. However you can follow the link in my signature, feel free to ask any certain questions there.

schietindebux · May 2015

meeting a GWF with P feytouched, P negation, high deflect based on dex , wearing lostmouth set + wheel is a pure pleasure these days
didn´t even scratched him though playing him out all time, he only has to stand there as a dumbass and do nothing, thats PVP

its pay to win and the only advice i will give to you is just stop playing with those nubby dudes, camp or leave since its redicules and senseless, same as Hunter using perma daze build

vasdamas · May 2015

schietindebux wrote: »

meeting a GWF with P feytouched, P negation, high deflect based on dex , wearing lostmouth set + wheel is a pure pleasure these days
didn´t even scratched him though playing him out all time, he only has to stand there as a dumbass and do nothing, thats PVP

its pay to win and the only advice i will give to you is just stop playing with those nubby dudes, camp or leave since its redicules and senseless, same as Hunter using perma daze build

I bet that GWF got crapalanche boon too. And they broke harrrow storm, one of the things that helped to keep that thing out of my face. It takes so much for a SW to counter them all, and so little for them to counter our COUNTER to them lol

charmagma · May 2015

SW is the most gear dependent class in game. Basically you need to roll soulbinder with borrowed time slotted for the self heal, artifact powered for the deflect bonus, then stack the bejeezus out of lifesteal to minimum of 20% unbuffed. I've been thinking of making a tran lifedrinker for the 5% but I'm not sure it would be better than a terror or plaguefire being that more damage means more lifesteal amount in itself, but if you need the 5% then lifedrinker for sure. Also get wheel of elements for active. Most abuse it for the fire damage bonus, but I need mine for the survival options like one of the heals or the CC immune.

Then it boils down to stacking as many sparks as possible in combat before some class (any class at this point) gets to you. Which is significantly harder now that we don't have a prone. GG Crayptic. Play smart and use some allies at meat shields, avoid 1 v 1 at all costs as every class beats SW 1 v 1 at equal GS and "skill" as far as that goes in Neverwinter pvp. Sad but true.

That being said, if you can build up at least 20 sparks in a fight you should do well enough (40% crit min to do that reliably).

schietindebux · May 2015

lifesteal is not the soultion for PVP, go without borrowed time and look what happens to your health bar, its all about having T negation and a class that benefits from this HAMSTER, +30% DR, why not even 50% damaresist on top, or 80%? taht would make it really "powerfull"
this armorenchant on top of a GWF, TR, GF, Pala, CW+Shield makes PVP senseless
these classes have already very good defensive stats

I would implement a weaponenchant that oneshots every player in 30' , costs 50000 Zen, not to forget health potions that gives your cc immunity for 5min costs 10000 Zen a stack

bakaslam · May 2015

Thank you for all the advices, I will make the best out of them.
I'm actually a SB Fury, so that's nice to know that I'm going in the right direction.
Vasdmas, I will totally look into your guide.. Thanks!

vasdamas · May 2015

Alright, I'm tottaly depressed with that lifesteal ignorance spreading around.
You do realize lifedrinker was somewhat viable against squishy geared classes because it was bugged and could simply multiproc? There is a reason the enchantment's price goes down on AH now. Also, even if that enchantment still proc'd many times in a row, lifesteal would be useless comparing to the rest viable enchantments. Simply, since you can't lifesteal much from targets that have a negation enchantment/high damage resistance combined with a burden of deflection and tenacity. I don't take into consideration any damage consuming buffs/shields and healing depression halving it even. (some say it lowers lifesteal chance too but I don't think it's true though).
Want to build a cookie cutter warlock? HoB mainhand feature + crit build + high recovery + fire element of the wheel of elements artifact = GG. Also, HoB is not a bug as I recently figured so yeah, any *** that complains about it should simply build more dps or just deal with it as badly as one could imagine

crystal892f · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

Also, HoB is not a bug as I recently figured

It's not?

vasdamas · May 2015

crystal892f wrote: »

It's not?

Yes, actually met somebody (not a avalanche/thayan bastion/feythislte/fire element proc-arifact bot) who could kill me through 8 stacks. And those were just regular powers, not bugged ones like thorn ward/commander's strike.

schietindebux · May 2015

Traven Blackdagger did oneshot me, like Syndrith and didn´t care about HoB

azli82 · May 2015

crystal892f wrote: »

It's not?

haha , why u smile .

azli82 · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

Yes, actually met somebody (not a avalanche/thayan bastion/feythislte/fire element proc-arifact bot) who could kill me through 8 stacks. And those were just regular powers, not bugged ones like thorn ward/commander's strike.

hope too

charmagma · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

Alright, I'm tottaly depressed with that lifesteal ignorance spreading around.

Well you do a lot for the class, but I have to totally disagree with lifesteal. You don't get as much healing from decked out DR toons, well of course not. But that's not even the whole story. With the endless consumption boon from Dread Ring you have about a 50% chance of stealing 3x as much. This can be quite substantial:

That was against a ho-hum tank but still negating a lot of my damage. You don't think a near 25k heal is useful? Sure you'll mostly end up with the 800 ticks like it shows, but those add up after a couple as well.

Also I feated into Dark Revelry which increases my power and run speed by 20% when I lifesteal which procs a lot in combat with ~20% lifesteal chance. As I've said before, I'm not remotely BiS and that power buff boosts my damage a clean 5%. That won't be that much if I'm debuffed by a terror, I know, but don't discount the survivability that 20% run speed gives either. Dark Revelry also buffs nearby allies.

Of course stacking is the key, with borrowed time and like the tranquility boon, you can muster up a substantial amount of healing. And with the feats it's relatively easy to stack lifesteal on SW without having to go all r10+ darks in every slot, I actually have half dark half radiant atm. Spend one Tiamat boon on the 3% lifesteal and you can get to 20% lifesteal without too much effort or crimps in your gear plans.

blackxxwolf3 · May 2015

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPsJmpWqntY0VVQW8LaiS7A go here and copy this person (a friend of myne) and youll own pvp with sw all day. its becoming more gear dependent but with some skill too you can rock it out.

schietindebux · May 2015

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPs...tY0VVQW8LaiS7A go here and copy this person (a friend of myne) and youll own pvp with sw all day. its becoming more gear dependent but with some skill too you can rock it out.

sry to correct this a bit: its a Warlock iL>4k with Negation enchant, using HoB feat + P Vorp, the build is not made for PVP and the leaderboard makes him hard to find K/D 3:2 in domination, so its a match against pugs i don´t see lots of PVP pros there but i can be wrong
intersting is that he/she has no deflect "zero", but high DR and Lifesteal
Lifesteal is not that good in PVP i thought but probably it works in case you do lots of damage?

this build works in case of 1. scilled player 2. very high iL and 3. T-Negation, its a fast killing machine
would be intersting to see it against PVP player like f.e. GWF with >5k DR, 4k deflect-high Dex, T negation, P Vorp Lostmauth set using
i didn´t even scratch those guys but I am only iLevel 2,5
i am really sure that you would never own PVP with a build like that, but you can correct me if I am totally wrong
all i see in leaderboard that could be called successfull are Soulbinder with HoB mainhand feat, borrowed time offhand feat and Negation enchant, its a big difference having 15%deflect on top and lots of passive selfheal, since LS doesn´t work that good, just play without borrowed time and you know what it means
tbh their K/D is not any better but i am sure these player do contest much more against maxed PVP toons

martianmnhunter · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

HoB is not a bug as I recently figured so yeah, any *** that complains about it should simply build more dps or just deal with it as badly as one could imagine

A paladin Daily that would do 100k to you gets mitigated to 0 dmg......that's a bug.

vasdamas · May 2015

charmagma wrote: »

Well you do a lot for the class, but I have to totally disagree with lifesteal. You don't get as much healing from decked out DR toons, well of course not. But that's not even the whole story. With the endless consumption boon from Dread Ring you have about a 50% chance of stealing 3x as much. This can be quite substantial:

That was against a ho-hum tank but still negating a lot of my damage. You don't think a near 25k heal is useful? Sure you'll mostly end up with the 800 ticks like it shows, but those add up after a couple as well.

Also I feated into Dark Revelry which increases my power and run speed by 20% when I lifesteal which procs a lot in combat with ~20% lifesteal chance. As I've said before, I'm not remotely BiS and that power buff boosts my damage a clean 5%. That won't be that much if I'm debuffed by a terror, I know, but don't discount the survivability that 20% run speed gives either. Dark Revelry also buffs nearby allies.

Of course stacking is the key, with borrowed time and like the tranquility boon, you can muster up a substantial amount of healing. And with the feats it's relatively easy to stack lifesteal on SW without having to go all r10+ darks in every slot, I actually have half dark half radiant atm. Spend one Tiamat boon on the 3% lifesteal and you can get to 20% lifesteal without too much effort or crimps in your gear plans.

Show me who the target was, I can find an undergeard pu,g slay him like that and get the same ticks of lifesteal. It's all about what you fight. If I wanted to slay pugs with no competence and gear, I'd maybe invest more in lifesteal than I have now. I have 13%, that's enough to keep Dark Revelry almost permanent in the battle. And I mostly fight any kind of overly tanky bull**** with 100-300 DMG ticks walking around. Can't lifesteal from that, the fight is usually long enough to build sparks rather than relying on lifesteal.

martianmnhunter wrote: »

A paladin Daily that would do 100k to you gets mitigated to 0 dmg......that's a bug.

Doesn't explain why I still get penetrated by some geared CWs through it though. No avalanche/thayan/feythistle included, just desintegration and icy rays. Some BiS TRs did land a strongly depressed SE on me too, around 25k or so. Tyrion on his OP playing in the premade vs premade match oneshot me through HoB a couple of times, not sure if his feytouched was the thing or the damage was just too high.

schietindebux · May 2015

even playing with this feature, if bug or not, Warlock is far away from throne of PVP, I can´t compete against lots of classes
OP is nearly unkillable 1 vs 1 if well geared, some TR´s can chant a sereneade about it right?
OP is nodeholder No. 1 by far atm, good geared GF also stomp me with ease, MI exe builds kill me 1 on 1, GWF get me down, so I don´t feel any kind of Op ness atm

vasdamas · May 2015

schietindebux wrote: »

even playing with this feature, if bug or not, Warlock is far away from throne of PVP, I can´t compete against lots of classes
OP is nearly unkillable 1 vs 1 if well geared, some TR´s can chant a sereneade about it right?
OP is nodeholder No. 1 by far atm, good geared GF also stomp me with ease, MI exe builds kill me 1 on 1, GWF get me down, so I don´t feel any kind of Op ness atm

Well, all the so called "high pvp community" about now is "We all cheat, but if I ashame you first, I win".
Just a typical situation - A GF with thayan bastion/avalanche/feythistle boons, t.fey and t.negation enchantments uses a commanding strike encounter on me, pop's the wheel of elements for fire element and then rises his shield to block my attacks with a guarded assault class feature on, which apparently counts as a damage comming from "allies" causing additional ticks of commanding strike and then my bunch of DoT kicks in bringing like 6k incomming piercing damage to me for each tick of any kind of DoT that GF recieves while guarding with fire wheel buff active on him and commanding strike debuff on me. How does fire element work for "allies" - I've got no clue. However, I get stomped like that, dying literally in less than one second, then rush to that node again and that GF is like :"
"OMG, you started abusing your sw bug and so I shall mine" *repeats the same sequence with commanding strike and fire element above*

I've figured the whole process the first time I met him without playing a guardian fighter since m5 or looking at the logs and he didn't even bother learning what I stuff a SW like me could pull on him. Anyway, once I meet such hypocrites pulling ridiculous HAMSTER on me like that, I feel really strong temptation to type a "I. Don't. ****ing. Care" title under my name. TRs/Cuntroll Wizards/Righteous Bull**** have been pulling any kind of ridiculous stuff on me in m5, pvp as SW seriously reminded me some BDSM club (and honestly it's no less now too) and if somebody doesn't like that so ignorantly called and very easily counterable "SW bug" - fine, I'll get over that. The less pety emotions and imposed thoughts I have in my head the better I'll concentrate on the class itself enought to bring any cookie cutter build next time somebody asks me Besides I've already figured it's not really a "bug". All they need is to respec boons for 80k AD to counter me with ease (TR's and CW's don't even need that though), while I and many other SWs like me, have to pay around 8m for Oghma's just to counter ONE MECHANIC, ONE! Of some certain class. So I don't see anything wrong with that. I should start abusing the wheel of elements too though, just don't feel like abandoning perma CC build now as they broke harrow storm.

charmagma · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

Show me who the target was, I can find an undergeard pu,g slay him like that and get the same ticks of lifesteal. It's all about what you fight. If I wanted to slay pugs with no competence and gear, I'd maybe invest more in lifesteal than I have now. I have 13%, that's enough to keep Dark Revelry almost permanent in the battle. And I mostly fight any kind of overly tanky bull**** with 100-300 DMG ticks walking around. Can't lifesteal from that, the fight is usually long enough to build sparks rather than relying on lifesteal.

I never said to rely on lifesteal, it's about stacking. Earlier posts came across as telling new players not to invest in any lifesteal, that would be wrong is what I'm saying. I'd still shoot for 20% because, like I said, it's fairly easy for SW to hit that with feats and boons alone plus stuff that already comes with our artifact set, etc.

Plus there are tricks to use. For that situation I posted the log of, I was against a GF and GWF on a node. Hit the soft target to get ticks, dot up both players to get ticks and it adds up, it really does. You get five even small ticks and get ~5k hitpoints and maybe luck out and get a crit plus consumption like I did and it's a game changer. Some other tips include attacking npcs for ticks and even TR dummies. It's all about stacking and playing smart.

vasdamas · May 2015

charmagma wrote: »

I never said to rely on lifesteal, it's about stacking. Earlier posts came across as telling new players not to invest in any lifesteal, that would be wrong is what I'm saying. I'd still shoot for 20% because, like I said, it's fairly easy for SW to hit that with feats and boons alone plus stuff that already comes with our artifact set, etc.

Plus there are tricks to use. For that situation I posted the log of, I was against a GF and GWF on a node. Hit the soft target to get ticks, dot up both players to get ticks and it adds up, it really does. You get five even small ticks and get ~5k hitpoints and maybe luck out and get a crit plus consumption like I did and it's a game changer. Some other tips include attacking npcs for ticks and even TR dummies. It's all about stacking and playing smart.

Attacking TR dummies seems so smart indeed.

charmagma · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

Attacking TR dummies seems so smart indeed.

As opposed to the invisible TR? Hitting the dummy and building some lifesteal chance and dark revelry for a fight is pretty stupid as opposed to sitting waiting for invisible, right? I had some respect for you now I think you're just an *******. Whatever man. Go back to telling new players to exploit bugs more. That's sound advice. Everybody listen to this guy.

vasdamas · May 2015

charmagma wrote: »

As opposed to the invisible TR? Hitting the dummy and building some lifesteal chance and dark revelry for a fight is pretty stupid as opposed to sitting waiting for invisible, right? I had some respect for you now I think you're just an *******. Whatever man. Go back to telling new players to exploit bugs more. That's sound advice. Everybody listen to this guy.

My box of care is so emptied out.

Do you even realize what kind of bull**** you're saying there? Have you ever played a TR? You just help them build AP for more SE and Lurker's Assault. I bet you have yet to see 9-11k CoS empowered with LA flying at you. Tell me, what kind of TRs are you fighting?

denvald · May 2015

Lifesteal or not to lifesteal, that is the question.

It's a matter of preference. My idea is that a dead DPS deals no damage so having a source of self healing is smart. You may think otherwise, and that's cool too. But if you're dead you're not contributing to anything anymore, so keep that in mind.

I think it also depends on your build, for example temptation (Do they even exist anymore?) Benefits alot from lifesteal in comparison from the other trees. Before mod 6 I had 25% life steal percentage back when it was of all damage, and it rocked. Even in this mod I saw some really high LS procs going on, boon procs from shar + DR endless consuming restored 70k HP right there, can save ur butt. I'm also someone who uses scorch all the time in PvE, so I can't rely on my sparks to keep me alive as much there. (Can always swap it out and let max sparks heal but you lose so much damage ...)

If anything, even if you feel the life steal isn't going to benefit you, most warlocks should still get 15%-20% only for the dark revelry procs, which helps everyone, including you.

vasdamas · May 2015

denvald wrote: »

(Do they even exist anymore?) .

Macjae (Lazarus) respec'd for fury recently so don't know now xD

schietindebux · May 2015

to give you a hint what lifesteal does for you in PVP , just go out without borrowed time feat and test it against well geared PVP player, I forgot to slot it once, and only thought was...**** this wartlock is HAMSTER, so decided to not put extrapoints points in Lifesteal any more coming from 20%+, it just doesn´t work against geared player, and thats the scenario I try to focus
since speaking about facing PVP scrubs is meaningless

charmagma · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

My box of care is so emptied out.

Do you even realize what kind of bull**** you're saying there? Have you ever played a TR? You just help them build AP for more SE and Lurker's Assault. I bet you have yet to see 9-11k CoS empowered with LA flying at you. Tell me, what kind of TRs are you fighting?

Lolz yeah hitting a dummy a couple of times totally makes a difference in AP with 60 second mythical DC artifact and AP cloak. Please check the bull**** at the door. I'll take my sparks and revelry over giving them like 5% of their AP every day and twice on Sunday.

schietindebux wrote: »

to give you a hint what lifesteal does for you in PVP , just go out without borrowed time feat and test it against well geared PVP player, I forgot to slot it once, and only thought was...**** this wartlock is HAMSTER, so decided to not put extrapoints points in Lifesteal any more coming from 20%+, it just doesn´t work against geared player, and thats the scenario I try to focus
since speaking about facing PVP scrubs is meaningless

Again, it's about stacking multiple sources of healing. Why is that so hard to understand? How many sparks you have for borrowed time at the start of a fight? Zero. But you can get lifesteal at the start.

vasdamas · May 2015

charmagma wrote: »

Lolz yeah hitting a dummy a couple of times totally makes a difference in AP with 60 second mythical DC artifact and AP cloak. Please check the bull**** at the door. I'll take my sparks and revelry over giving them like 5% of their AP every day and twice on Sunday.

Good. If you played against that kind of TRs you must understand that lifesteal doesn't give you HAMSTER when you get SE'd and spammed with CoS from stealth and literally die within 5 seconds on a node, as well as borrowed time in the beginning. And what start? If you fight an experienced TR, there is not "beginning" for you. They'll just roll into stealth once they see you and CoS spamm you to death. And if it doesn't work, they just empower it with Lurker's assault or daze > SE you with ease. The only way you can make an use of your lifesteal is to force them get out of stealth, pop ITC and make sure they don't stealth right after it ends. Which works either with easily counterable dread theft or with playing mind games trying to catch them in stealth. But again, trying to catch a tr in stealth usually results in a stealth drain and makes you exposed to DS or SS. That is the best scenario, when you don't die 5 seconds after you entered the node and there are some BIS TRs that do realize that fighting you on a node may be harder and more time consuming so they just roll somewhere waiting for the stealth to refil and then come back to finish that at-will spamm. Trying to lifesteal **** out of such TRs is futile. Probably only some glass cannon GFs, GWFs and HRs could be a good target for lifesteal but Murphy's laws says there are either running negation enchantment or there is a DC buffing them badly. Want a good healing? Get yourself t.holy avenger, that ticks for 1.6k HP for 16 ticks total (already under HD), works very well with borrowing time and provides some additional DR too. I had one till I went for perma CC build.

schietindebux · May 2015

Again, it's about stacking multiple sources of healing. Why is that so hard to understand? How many sparks you have for borrowed time at the start of a fight? Zero. But you can get lifesteal at the start.

just as i wrote take out borrowed time and look at your "selfheal" and rethink if its worth scipping other things only to stack lifesteal
in case you have a maxed char maybe its an option, can´t say..... but since you deal poor damage against geared OP, DC, perma stealth TR, GWF, and lots of others its exactly that situation warlock s.u.c.k.s
until now i have no solution for this HAMSTER, only advice get negation enchant, i don´t have it
in mod 5 i had blackice amor and the high deflect in combination with offhandfead worked really good for me
atm my deflect is poor, max i get 22% or something, if only there was a feat for warlock thats rises deflect a bit, that would be by sure an improvement, TR´s have up to 40% deflect, can´t say if 50% in mod 6 is possible, and on top 75%+ deflect severity, playing against them is a nightmare

zeusom · May 2015

vasdamas wrote: »

Attacking TR dummies seems so smart indeed.

I have hair trigger syndrome with TR and makes me so mad when I occasion burn a Brood on their stupid ****doll dummy.

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