Someone buys a load of of Blood Rubys off the Zen market for a specific amount of RP.
He applies it to his items for example.
Then you roll a new MOD and tell him he's gonna get a percentage of that money's worth for using the previously refined item as RP into the newly introduced.
For all I know, especially in the cases where money was spent for the RP the rating should be 1 for 1.
Not 40% not 60% not 99% but A FULL 100% BECAUSE THEY PAYED MONEY TO GET THAT SPECIFFIC NUMBER!!!
Same applies for the recently affected Dragon Hoards.
There's people who invested millions of AD and probably money to refine them at the time they refined them for what they were supposed to be doing.
You now pop in and announce (after silently nefring which is also hideous) that their ability to produce has been limited.
what in the world is going on ?!?!?
And now that I'm on the subject I also find it truly hideous that you first make changes silently and then announce them
As it happened with the DD event and keys, dragon hoards and a heap of other things.
What in the world are you guys thinking ?!?!?!?!?!
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urlord283Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,084Arc User
edited May 2015
People are not being scammed
If you buy a car and upgrade it do you expect to get all of your investment?
There are a lot of mistakes made over the last few mods, there's no denying that.
That said, the ancient argument about money doesn't fly here and never will in any MMO. You spend money on the game as it is at that point. Changes are always around the corner and gear may become obsolete at any time. That's the risk you take for spending money on an MMO.
Really ?
Ask the people who just got screwed over their upgraded Dragon Hoards.
Or the people who bought blood rubys to get their gear to legendary in the previous mod/mods only to find out that the value of the money they spent got degraded.
I don't care about the gear being rendered obsolete. not by a rat's hair.
I'm a heavy grinder anywayz.
Artifact and gear RP tho is a whole other deal. It is something that would actually and should actually withstand any change.
I'm feeling really sorry for the people who actually bought blood rubys or any other RP related item only to have its value degraded just like that.
You buy a set value of RP at this price. Use it
Then I come and tell you that REUSING that SAME RP will mean you lose 40% of what you had spent on it.
People don't seem familiar with the concept that most MMOs make BiS equipment obsolete with each expansion. Be glad that it's not like that in here, and many people have been using theirs since almost 5 mods.
If you buy a car and upgrade it do you expect to get all of your investment?
We have the option to use the old equipment
I am still using my old belt
Urlord
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?!?!
Do I even have to reply ?
YES I DO!
And just cause I ride a motorcycle I'll give you a personal example and put things into context.
What's happening
is like I taking my motorcycle to my mechanic for an upgrade and next time I take it to him for an oil change, he degrades my upgrade by some percentage and asks me for more money to bring my motorcycle back to a newly baptised "upgraded state"
Personally I would swing a baseball bat right at his knee caps if he ever did that.
it's one thing to quest for new gear in every expansion, but it's quite another to make gear that you have to spend money to upgrade obsolete by nerfing itin addition to offering gear that is only slightly (read: better by a difference so small you could skip the upgrade) better than what you originally had before the nerf.
People don't seem familiar with the concept that most MMOs make BiS equipment obsolete with each expansion. Be glad that it's not like that in here, and many people have been using theirs since almost 5 mods.
You guys are taking things out of context.
I don't care about gear.
It comes and goes like popcorn.
is like I taking my motorcycle to my mechanic for an upgrade and next time I take it to him for an oil change, he degrades my upgrade by some percentage and asks me for more money to bring my motorcycle back to a newly baptised "upgraded state"
Personally I would swing a baseball bat right at his knee caps if he ever did that.
You serious ?!?!
Agreed. Yes. This. Don"t <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> on our shoes and tell us it's raining. We can see quite clearly what's going on here.
you don't HAVE to put either money or time to get to legendary, legendary is not needed for anything, it's just a fancy color.
If you decide to put a lot of either koney or time it's your call. The game just allows you to do it.
I agree it's pretty cheap by cryptic/PWE, but I would only agree with you if having legendary equipment/articats was needed for anything. And it's not.
I would advice against tying to get legendary on any artifact from now on, to anybody, it's just not worth it.
you don't HAVE to put either money or time to get to legendary, legendary is not needed for anything, it's just a fancy color.
If you decide to put a lot of either koney or time it's your call. The game just allows you to do it.
I agree it's pretty cheap by cryptic/PWE, but I would only agree with you if having legendary equipment/articats was needed for anything. And it's not.
I would advice against tying to get legendary on any artifact from now on, to anybody, it's just not worth it.
I know. not worth going past purple. not aiming for that.
Good enchants are the way to go and you're set no matter what changes are introduced in the future.
you don't HAVE to put either money or time to get to legendary, legendary is not needed for anything, it's just a fancy color.
If you decide to put a lot of either koney or time it's your call. The game just allows you to do it.
I agree it's pretty cheap by cryptic/PWE, but I would only agree with you if having legendary equipment/articats was needed for anything. And it's not.
I would advice against tying to get legendary on any artifact from now on, to anybody, it's just not worth it.
Well I have been playing since mod 2 and haven't got a legendary.
Sorry but they aren't fancy colors and yes for pvp they are needed. In pvp a guy with legendary or mythic artifacts has a clear advantage over someone who doesn't.
Have you ever fought someone with 3 mythics ? because them fancy colors hurt like hell when you get 2 hit lol.
you don't HAVE to put either money or time to get to legendary, legendary is not needed for anything, it's just a fancy color.
If you decide to put a lot of either koney or time it's your call. The game just allows you to do it.
I agree it's pretty cheap by cryptic/PWE, but I would only agree with you if having legendary equipment/articats was needed for anything. And it's not.
I would advice against tying to get legendary on any artifact from now on, to anybody, it's just not worth it.
That argument does not cut it.
If you PvP you need BiS...Pvp has been quoted by devs as the end game of this game.
It now takes even more time/money to refine. It is absolutely insane.
Yes for real. It's no different from any other piece of outdated gear. For starters, be glad you get to keep your gear for refining. It could -and I've seen- a hell of a lot worse. Second, crying about that 40% is completely out of context. Your new gear will still be more powerful than the item you used to refine. With absolutely no effort on your part. Where's your loss?
Lol what ?!
a) Read my motorcycle example and see what I describe as being my loss.
b) I'm a grinder. never took anything past purple and I'm glad I didn't sweat over doing so.
Don't get me wrong.
The idea that you people undervalue time, effort and money just like that is just beyond me.
It's like you don't value (or forget the value of) anything as soon as you see "oh! new and a bit more shinny!"
But again. I don't give a flying F' about the GEAR....I'm mostly talking about the RP BEING UNDERVALUED!
GET OVER THE GEAR!
Peace
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
Well, your motorcycle analogy doesn't work. But to make it work, look at it like this:
If you purchase upgrade X today and find out tomorrow that a better upgrade becomes available, do complain to the dealer and want a refund?
OF COURSE!!! JESUS CHRIST! I'D BE ALL OVER THE GUY!!!
Because lets be honest...the DEALER KNEW a new and better upgrade was just around the corner.
And we all know they know cause it's their JOB to know...ok ?
Your example is a perfect example of a SCAM! Which is what I said.
You mean to tell me that if you were in that place...you'd say....Oh' well I've just wasted a few K $ on this upgrade while I could get something better just a day after.....the dealer who sold me the upgrade just didn't tell me...no biggie ?
Are you serious ?!?!!
What kind of thought process is that ?!?!
Thanx for the example. It was picture perfect of what I'm generally trying to convey.
If you see this as being 'scammed out of your money' you probably shouldn't spend money on a game that is in active development. Things change, prices change. What you buy today may never be the same again. Be cautious with how you spend.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited May 2015
I was just going to rename and move this to its proper home. Alas, we do not allow power posting and that is what is going on here. There is no need to retort everyone's statements and opinions. You cannot expect everyone to agree with you and must concede that there will always be players with other viewpoints and opinions.
Besides, there are already other threads that delve into this concern. There's no need for additional ones, especially ones where players get their posts rebutted by the original poster if they don't agree.
Safe travels,
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If you buy a car and upgrade it do you expect to get all of your investment?
We have the option to use the old equipment
I am still using my old belt
Urlord
Really ?
Ask the people who just got screwed over their upgraded Dragon Hoards.
Or the people who bought blood rubys to get their gear to legendary in the previous mod/mods only to find out that the value of the money they spent got degraded.
I don't care about the gear being rendered obsolete. not by a rat's hair.
I'm a heavy grinder anywayz.
Artifact and gear RP tho is a whole other deal. It is something that would actually and should actually withstand any change.
I'm feeling really sorry for the people who actually bought blood rubys or any other RP related item only to have its value degraded just like that.
You buy a set value of RP at this price. Use it
Then I come and tell you that REUSING that SAME RP will mean you lose 40% of what you had spent on it.
For real ?
Even 1% is unacceptable
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?!?!
Do I even have to reply ?
YES I DO!
And just cause I ride a motorcycle I'll give you a personal example and put things into context.
What's happening
is like I taking my motorcycle to my mechanic for an upgrade and next time I take it to him for an oil change, he degrades my upgrade by some percentage and asks me for more money to bring my motorcycle back to a newly baptised "upgraded state"
Personally I would swing a baseball bat right at his knee caps if he ever did that.
You serious ?!?!
You guys are taking things out of context.
I don't care about gear.
It comes and goes like popcorn.
Agreed. Yes. This. Don"t <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> on our shoes and tell us it's raining. We can see quite clearly what's going on here.
If you decide to put a lot of either koney or time it's your call. The game just allows you to do it.
I agree it's pretty cheap by cryptic/PWE, but I would only agree with you if having legendary equipment/articats was needed for anything. And it's not.
I would advice against tying to get legendary on any artifact from now on, to anybody, it's just not worth it.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I know. not worth going past purple. not aiming for that.
Good enchants are the way to go and you're set no matter what changes are introduced in the future.
Well I have been playing since mod 2 and haven't got a legendary.
Sorry but they aren't fancy colors and yes for pvp they are needed. In pvp a guy with legendary or mythic artifacts has a clear advantage over someone who doesn't.
Have you ever fought someone with 3 mythics ? because them fancy colors hurt like hell when you get 2 hit lol.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
That argument does not cut it.
If you PvP you need BiS...Pvp has been quoted by devs as the end game of this game.
It now takes even more time/money to refine. It is absolutely insane.
Lol what ?!
a) Read my motorcycle example and see what I describe as being my loss.
b) I'm a grinder. never took anything past purple and I'm glad I didn't sweat over doing so.
Don't get me wrong.
The idea that you people undervalue time, effort and money just like that is just beyond me.
It's like you don't value (or forget the value of) anything as soon as you see "oh! new and a bit more shinny!"
But again. I don't give a flying F' about the GEAR....I'm mostly talking about the RP BEING UNDERVALUED!
GET OVER THE GEAR!
Peace
No, but then again, PIXELS don't wear out or depreciate.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
OF COURSE!!! JESUS CHRIST! I'D BE ALL OVER THE GUY!!!
Because lets be honest...the DEALER KNEW a new and better upgrade was just around the corner.
And we all know they know cause it's their JOB to know...ok ?
Your example is a perfect example of a SCAM! Which is what I said.
You mean to tell me that if you were in that place...you'd say....Oh' well I've just wasted a few K $ on this upgrade while I could get something better just a day after.....the dealer who sold me the upgrade just didn't tell me...no biggie ?
Are you serious ?!?!!
What kind of thought process is that ?!?!
Thanx for the example. It was picture perfect of what I'm generally trying to convey.
Besides, there are already other threads that delve into this concern. There's no need for additional ones, especially ones where players get their posts rebutted by the original poster if they don't agree.
Safe travels,
Archmage Zebular of Mystryl
PWE Community Moderator
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