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tnucmadnesss
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i see alot of moaning about rogues being OP etc. but. in my leveling exp with warlock " Fungus" yea i know the name is quite unique. i do stupid amounts of damage in a short space of time. almost 2 shot most ppl. i think we should make these posts fair for most classes not just single out 1.
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This game isn't 1 v 1 and you're a cleric, you should be able to "1 v 1" any class..
I saw one rogue yesterday, I'm not going to call him out, but he would stealth, use lashing blade, then run back behind his team and wait until he could do it again. He wouldn't even attempt to fight or use any other abilities.
Seems like that was some clever use of class mechanics.
didn't mean to sound arrogant. i thought this post was a complaint that rogues are too OP versus all classes. Anyhow, I think adding a 1v1 duel feature would a great idea?? Anyone agree? No need for 1 v 1 pvp or arena, but a simple duel of 2 players would be pretty cool IMO
No worries, didnt think you sounded arrogant.
And I would enjoy a 1 vs 1 mode although I do think it would cause a lot more people complaining that classes are OP as this game is very team orientated with each class having its role. Either way though I would love to have a 1 vs 1 option.
If you say so. It didn't work out very well for him because, like most rogues are, he was very predictable, and every time he would pop up to attack someone, I would focus him, root him, and he'd drop pretty quickly.
As you've experienced, very predictable. I never stay too idle, knowing very well the other team has TRs running about. I generally enter combat using Daring Shout. When things are marked, they're generally easier to keep track of.
Regardless of what people say, however, the numbers speak for themselves. Unless EVERYONE is just terrible at dealing with rogues. They are constantly getting a high number of kills in PVP, they are the majority class in a vast majority of the games, and they are the most complained about class. If it were only half these numbers, I might understand that it's just a lack of understanding of the class mechanics, but even with my experience, an unskilled rogue still survives longer than an unskilled player of any other class. They do a ton of damage, and take very little for a so-called glass cannon class.
I know Rogues can be countered, I do it all the time. However, I don't think you should have to have a specific class/build, or complicated strategies to deal with one class only. No other class requires the amount of attention you need to give to rogues in order to deal with them.
What I'm trying to say is it appears that the numbers are backing up what the majority of the people complaining on this board are talking about.
I'd be happy with something as small as decreasing the crit bonus and damage of Lashing Blade from stealth. It's next to useless in PVE, and does way too much damage in PVP.
Careful. There are a network of players in this forum that seem to have a "Anti-TR Sense" and will let you know how wrong you are for having an opinion.
I'll be honest, what kills me the most in PvP are other GWFs and CWs. TRs are not an issue for me, but that may also be part of the "buddy system" my friend and I use. We watch each others backs and, as soon as he sees one jumping on me, he closes in with the stun. Either that TR is running for stealth or he's dead. You can't go in there with a lone wolf strategy, thinking your going to cap a stone and hold it yourself. The last game I was in, we had a HR go and cap 1. They let him have it. He stood there, literally doing nothing. Didn't bother to come help take 2 or re-take 3. Because that happened, they gained enough control over the situation that they were literally killing us right out of the spawn area. If we had him backing us, he would have provided enough CC to give us a bit of an edge. The only thing I can say about TRs, while I have one at Level 60, is Stealth loss should be a bit quicker or shouldn't be gained as quickly as they do (that's purely from a PvE standpoint, as it made PvE content seem ridiculously easy). I can't speak from the PvP aspect as I haven't played one in PvP yet.
I definitely agree with you there. Strategies should and will be used, but that doesn't change the fact that there is something about the class that caused a huge movement to them. Maybe it was other MMOs with a Rogue like class that allowed easy keyboard facerolling.
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Depends of your gear and their gear, and also ur build, if its an equal matchup and you fight someone around the same gearscore as you, harrowstorm>curse>bargain>killing flames the guy is dead if he didnt manage to dodge the storm cc.
If the guy is not dead with the 3 encounters, he will be dead after 4-5 autos considering the dots + set bonus if the sw use accursed diabo set + fury end build, sometimes i just feel lazy, curse one guy and spam auto + hellish on him, dead in a few secs.
Again that's exemples of fight without cleric heals, with a DC that's not comparable anymore, they wont die 3-4 shots but if you have a DC too, you wont die instantly either.
About rogues anyways, there are the sucky ones only using lashing and usually losing their matches, and the good ones most of the time on permastealth build that use their dodges at the right moments and know their combos, and can 1v3 easily on soloqueue.
The one shot lashing build should be nerfed, not the class itself.
Diversity is non-existent.
The queue system is horribly put together. Other MMOs have used a class queue system, in which you specify what you're queuing as, even in PVP. Having a system like this may mean a bit longer queue times, but would also guarantee a diverse set of classes in each team. Something like this wouldn't matter much if the matches were larger than 5v5. At it's current state, I've been lucky to have a healer on our team and whenever I have, the game decided to remove me from the match (not even 5 minutes out the gates) and place a restriction on me from queuing again, as if I left intentionally.
Now if all variables are equal, the TR should win. If he has no moves etc, then the point is over, you are re actting and not acting meaning the depedant is the rogue, he is in control.
When i hear " i have no problems" i hear, "I faced a TR with low gear and won"
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This has been my experience as well and I still get double kills at times with my trapper vs TR and teammate. I typically have more trouble with CW but have improved by using Forest Ghost so I can close distance when switching from ranged to melee for the kill.