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Why are rogues so violently overpowered in PvP?
xomnifariousx
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Yes, I am indeed mad. Every class I encounter, I have a nice, long, balanced battle. Even when going guardian fighter against control wizard. All the powers are balanced more or less, and do little damage... And then we have the rouge... The guy who can dodge all encounter powers, go invisible, teleport, and one shot anyone who's not a guardian fighter... How did this make it past Q&A? I have to frantically fight for my life, to barely even hurt a rouge as my Warlock, Hunter, and Guardian classes. I can win a 1 on 1 no problem against any other class.
Even when using my own stealth abilities and healing potions as a hunter, using all 6 encounter powers one right after another, I barely take 1/4th of his health, that is, if they even hit in the first place, it's no use. Even as my guardian, specced fully for defense, he takes half of my health, and stun locks me with his moves. Killing me in a single encounter. Even if I'm lucky enough to get off one of my encounter moves, it almost always gets "dodged" by him...
I was even hiding up on a pillar once, that had no way up, and suddenly I got one shot by that giant sword through the back power, and a rouge de-cloaks over my body doing that infuriating hopy dance thing they do over my dead body... I've watched single rouges take out entire teams... This one time, we had three clerics, a guardian, and me, a Warlock, specced fully for damage, and it was just a slaughter. That rouge went from guy to guy like an assassin in AC doing a kill combo, one shotting all of us...
The only way I've seen a rouge taken down, was by three great weapon users in a triange around him hammering on him with that power that makes them grow bigger. He managed to kill 2, and put the third to 1/3 health before dying however.....
Even when using my own stealth abilities and healing potions as a hunter, using all 6 encounter powers one right after another, I barely take 1/4th of his health, that is, if they even hit in the first place, it's no use. Even as my guardian, specced fully for defense, he takes half of my health, and stun locks me with his moves. Killing me in a single encounter. Even if I'm lucky enough to get off one of my encounter moves, it almost always gets "dodged" by him...
I was even hiding up on a pillar once, that had no way up, and suddenly I got one shot by that giant sword through the back power, and a rouge de-cloaks over my body doing that infuriating hopy dance thing they do over my dead body... I've watched single rouges take out entire teams... This one time, we had three clerics, a guardian, and me, a Warlock, specced fully for damage, and it was just a slaughter. That rouge went from guy to guy like an assassin in AC doing a kill combo, one shotting all of us...
The only way I've seen a rouge taken down, was by three great weapon users in a triange around him hammering on him with that power that makes them grow bigger. He managed to kill 2, and put the third to 1/3 health before dying however.....
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Care to post a picture of your character page? I'm very curious what your Tenacity is.
The page showing what your gear looks like, and the second page showing your stats.
If you are in 60 PvP and have little to no Tenacity, you are going to get hit extremely hard.
Stats of importance in PvP are: Health, Tenacity, Defense, Deflect >other
I think your missing my point.
If your tenacity was high..you wouldn't be getting one shot. Depending on how much you are debuffed of course changes things.
My tenacity is 1,052 for example. That gives me a 24% innate damage, crit strike, control resist negation bonus in PvP. Add in your defensive stats(the %), as well as Deflect % and high health pool.. It will be a very rare occasion of getting one shot.
Actually it usually is a "L2P issue" that n gear. Learning a classes abilities helps u beat them along with knowing ur own classes limits. Plus tenacity does help a lot n u kinda need it to pvp or ur going to run into a tr/hr/cw that melts u faster than u can turn around. I no for me when I finally learned my class I was able to eat most rogues on my trapper huntard
Aldren Boweing - 60 HR
I'm not 100% sure, anyone else reading feel free to answer if you know. But I believe, 98% sure, that there is no DR when it comes to Tenacity. Its Innate, and constant.
Defense and deflect however, are effected by a form of DR, as in hard-caps for the negative % that a debuff can degrade your character.
People were asking for lesser dmg dealt in PvP, I believe Tenacity was their answer. I also think that you have a 10%(?)dmg reduction anyway, without having Tenacity, cant remember the exact % however.
Tenacity
Oh you don't have to explain that information to me, I'm well aware on how pvp works in this game. Thanks though.
Can't beat em', then join em'!! HAHAH
If your whole team got killed by a TR using a 20 second cool down encounter then you need to re-roll your characters.
That seems to be the theme going on lol.
This is why PVP in MMOs is greatly unbalanced. In order to get enough Glory to effectively afford even T1 PVP Gear, you need to solely be running PVP and hope your team Wins more often than not (even with Silver Enchantments, running Glory% Boosts in your Utility slots, it's still not enough). The cost for T1 PVP gear is too high, which makes gaining that Tenacity rating ridiculously. I believe the cheapest piece is 3,500 Glory, while a loss was netting me 120 Glory and that was with the free Glory boost item you receive when you hit Level 60. I have no idea what a Win nets as I've never won a match, except for Pre-Level 60.
Pre-Level 60 PVP was actually fun and I was always on top, but that was always with a range classes that allowed me to DPS, while staying away from TRs and other range. Further, it also seems like PVP was a bit more balanced (all during Level 20-25) since most players, at that level, didn't have all the Feats and Paragon Cap Stones you have at Level 60.
Now, throw Tenacity out the window. 1v1, I can take on any class as a GWF (except for CW, soooooooooo much CC at low CD timers!) Every match I got into, the other team was made of with the following:
Match 1: 3 TRs and 2 DCs
Match 2: 2 TRs, 1 SW and 1 CW
Match 3: 2 TRs, 2 DCs and 1 HR
Now, my team was made up of (two were my friends):
Match 1: 1 GF, 2 GWF, 1 HR and 1 DC
Match 2: 1 GF, 2 GWF, 1 SW and 1 CW
Match 3: 1 GF, 3 GWF, 1 DC
Matchmaking in this game is obviously horrible, even more so in PVP. I know my class and I know what Encounters, At-Wills and Class Features are better in PVP vs PVE, however. I can read any amount of "How-To-PVP" guides, but it doesn't change the fact that PVP needs a lot more balancing.
Control Wizard
so to break it down rogues r strong but not really that OP
HEALZ break pvp lol, when games end in pretty much single digit kills because both teams have 2 healers it becomes a snooze fest
-meow
Once the player base hits a better Tenacity level we can judge the situation a little easier. However I know I am really hesitant to PVP right now because as a Warlock it isn't fun which is a viscous cycle because why would I ever start?
-meow
It doesn't end 'at band camp' does it?
Find me on XBL to get an interview to join the guild.
My pug team late last night played a premade Tenacity team, a single rogue held off our entire team from taking back our base node, if he wasn't one shotting people from stealth he was dodging all attacks in the extremely short time he was unstealthed, when we finally could hit him he just jumped off the ramp stealthed , rinse and repeat the entire game. Best burst damage best CC, best stealth, give them healing and get it over with ,oh wait can you drink pots from stealth?
Executioners (Common) Have counterplay, and perma stealth are only good in PvE, Scoundrels are the real problems IMO, as a lesser flaming enchant gives them a guaranteed 6 sec stun on any ability.
TR's are strong but they are not near as bad once you gear and spec correctly as people make them out to be. I would actually rather fight a TR than a DPS cleric.
Control Wizard
TR's are very powerful.. especially when you lack defense stats to make you live through the initial burst. This is largely why they seem so overpowered - because the game is still new and many people lack gear. TR's can be countered by Clerics, HRs, and CWs if geared and played correctly.
[Xbox] Skill <Iron Lotus> - Trickster Rogue
Why does everyone complain bout them? There is a reason.
You made the TR to ease to make good while all other classes need a lot of work to deal with TR.
If it wasnt OP we would never even have the discussion. Just like like u never see "God that Ranger is just too hard to win against!"
I play both classes and I can't decide which is better. Hunters crush when there are a lot of people fighting over one flag with AOE and they also just mutilate people with their roots as single target.
Also, the friends I make on this game are almost always hunters because we compliment each other when fighting together. We also typically fight for most kills. I'd take a hunter any day as a pvp partner.
I think this about sums it up... Many Pvpers play TR and they gear up for PVP. IF you are not geared you just cant survive the burst damage. I am a TR but I keep over 37k in hit points. I would recommend every class do the same.
If you don't have gear I will just 1-2 shot kill you, but that just doesn't happen against geared players.