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nightwisper77
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So, if in theory, a DC wanted to be dps cleric (righteous), and take a dps slot instead of a healer slot, would they be rejected or are all dcs forced into a role (faithful or virtuous) that they might not like? My main has been righteous for a long time, i fell in love with it and never want to change it...but with all this talk about how DC's will be forced to be faithful to keep up with the increased damage we take, I wonder will righteous Dc's be denied party slots?
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Drakeos Shadowbow - 60 Combat Pathfinder Hunter Ranger (Alt/retired)
Falados - Drow (Mez) Level 60 Trickster Rogue - Offically retired
Drakeos - Drow (Mez) Scourge Warlock/Druid (retired)
Bad advice. The TS should tell the group he joins that he is a DPS traited DC before the run starts. Or he can start his own group and recruit a tank and healer.
Or do what kurtb88 said.
If you want a DC, be prepared to be a support class.. healing/buffing/debuffing.
There is more to this game than DPS. Yeah, my GWF can dish out some AMAZING DPS while he tanks mob of adds. Great utility damage dude.
My DC, on the other hand, while yes, she can do pretty significant damage, is more than content to stand 80' back and toss heals/buffs/debuffs for the party (or anyone involved), all while laying the smack-down on baddies. In skirmishes, she consistently ranks first for "points healed" and somewhere in the middle for "damage".
There is no need for a DC to come out of a skirmish with anything less than 300k-400k points healed.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
Its not surprising, this feedback was given on preview forums. Sure some groups wont need your healing, some will.
What you really lose healing wise at that point is the passives, both other lines, offer some powerful ones, and righteouss is all debuffing.
I'll stay with that until maybe in the midterm future Dungeons start offering worthwhile rewards again... ...got my PvP gear, don't really need Daggy-Seals.
I'm playing to have fun, not to follow other people's stereotype schemes. Not being liked in anyway rather futile dungeon runs is a price I gladly pay.
Counter-question: Will those people who insist on DCs being primarily healers help you through your dailies??? Or farm BI with you???
Yes, feel free to do whatever you want.
Responsible players understand that when the choose a class that there is a specific job that goes along with it. I've never kicked anyone from a party, but if there's a DC in the group, and my GWF isn't constantly covered in little green plus signs, and I don't see any astral sheilds or if there is nothing buffing me or debuffing the monster(s), then yeah, I would think pretty hard about kicking that DC.
It's no different than taking in CW just to watch them fighting single bad guys at a time.
So yes, by all means, play your character the way you want. However, you have given up the right to ***** about being excluded from parties, especially now that healing and buffs are in such high demand.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
No here's some thing to think about:
Apart from buffing and being better at debuffing, all the DoT the Rigtheous get also keeps the debuffs up really welll...
I play DPS DC.. I love my DC.. and have to respec once I finish the Vil stuff.. I heal just fine in dungeons.. I could be a better healer. but at the end of the day.. I've found people don't protect me like they should.. so I have to protect myself at times.. and that DPS comes in handy..
If you don't enjoy playing with / how you want to play.. whats the point? there will always be someone unhappy with something..
Like another poster pointed out, in solo mode a Righteous DC is the way to go, you can get enough heals and the occasional potion to stay up in most fights, and your DPS is increased so your dailies don't actually take all day
Is the player that insists you go nonrightous helping you with your dailies? Are they consistently taking you in groups so you can level enough that way, fast enough, to afford to give up the dps? Not likely. You are probably going to have to do what every other DC does, lvl to max through Rightous, THEN respecc if you want group action over solo.
If they would allow a duel specc rigging in this game then you could have a heal rig out, and a dps rig out, and do your day-to-day stuff righteous and throw on your heal rig to heal in a group setting.
One the other hand, if ASKED by a party leader if you are a righteous DC or otherwise, then it is your obligation to be honest and inform them so, so they can plan accordingly, and if they are weak enough to pass you over, don't be sad, you both made a choice in game play that suits your personality, if you LIE about being righteous just to get a party, and can't maintain the heals because of it, then you will deserve the flames and jeers you get won't you? And won't have the right to complain about it later.
Some of those more prominent "DPS" spells are actually dual use - in one package: Hurt the reds and heal (or HoT) the blues.
Foremost examples: Sunburst and Divine Glow.
But a HoT goes unnoticed outside of ACT. But "Gift of Faith" or "Shield of the Divine" has a snazzy text line in your FoV - that is unignorable...
I really don't wat to deprecate the value of the Healer-bound DCs here - they have faster healing rates, and self-triggering heals. But going down that route is something that requires some support, like you can find in a PvP oriented, frequently and regularly grouping guild. But when you're more on the "casual" side - e.g. because other nasty things like "job" and "family" or somesuch get in the way, you're often not so welcome in those guilds. So you gotta do your dailies - or soon-ish, your Black Ice grinding - on your own. And that's where Righteous rocks.
In other games, where you can respec for little in-game money, I've done that in similar situations before going on Group Runs - Dungeouns, Raids, whatever they're called. Here in Neverwinter this is not an option due the, erm,... ...desire for income.
So basically, when you're well integrated into a guild or other group - by all means doe the healy type. When you're not (and this probably is one of the main reasons to get into lfg-channel or PUG groups, huh?), you have to sacrifice on either end - heals or time. Then the Healer paths are somewhat of a luxury...
In theory, if you were grouped with people that had functioning brain cells unlike the twatwaffle below your post, yes a righteous DC would be considered a must have/ good slot fill. Righteous DC path is the best buff/ debuffer for party damage, therefore a mod6 group with a Righteous AND a Virt or Faithful would be a good comp. The new paladin class coupled with a strong Righteous DC might be enough healing for some groups, however most pugs are full of whiny types that will prolly kick you for being Righteous. Enjoy!!
A properly geared, specced and played Righteous DC will destroy your puny GWF in damage in a dungeon. If you were actually a good enough player to ever see one in action you would know this. Learn your role shoe shine melee boy!!
I'm already very close to not getting one-shotted from everything on my CW and comfortably heal with LS again. It's all about surviving the initial burst.
You can already do full 2/3 DPS runs on T2 dungeons, just saying. I think most DCs will be able to switch out Bastion of Health for something else in example.
The most fun i have ever had in a party was being in an all DC group. Have completed all dungones/skirmishes (not tiamat), prior to mod 6. Wouls love try it out in mod 6.
Cheers to those that play to have fun, jeers to those who suck the joy out of gaming.
WTB Class Reroll please
TBH I feel the people who are QQ-ing about wanting to spec DPS are QQ-ing abit too much. They complain so much about not wanting to re-spec that i feel that they are just trying to hold onto that perfection from Mod5. I am not agreeing that all DCs should go heals.. on the contrary.. if Neverwinter had Duel Spec.. that would rock my world. All I'm saying is at least talk to the rest of your party what specs you are set in. I don't know how many times but I always get put into skirmishes with another cleric and i tell that person straight away that i'm gonna heal and that guy could go DPS if wanted. I wait for a reply but nothing.. fight starts and i'm healing, buffing, shielding... and then the other cleric stands there watching me. This happens more often than none and it pisses me off. Reply so I know what you are planning to do. If u plan to AFK at least say something too. If u also want to heal then say something so I can use another skill that can help us out! All of which is the basic fundamental of any game: "communication". I understand that you may not understand english.. I sometimes wonder if all DCs I party up with can't speak english.
Anyway I feel that alot of the new players need to learn how to play :P ( thats a very biased comment) but i feel that if you didn't have previous MMO experience.. u should study up :P
When I join a party looking for a DC, and I get kicked because I'm RiDO... ...pfff. Another four entries in my twitfilter. Apparently they're not only incapable of stating what they want, but also either not that needy or way too needy of healing to live with what they'd get from me - or too arrogant.
After all, since LS "rework" even a ****ty Astral Seal is an improvement, but yeah, tough DPS guy can't accept "second grade".
Not every Righteous DC plays for Paingiver, some play for balance between DPS and support, some are planning to be full healers, but temporarily need DPS capacity to progress character easier in campaigns.
— (The unwritten rule)