however, something that i would like to see changed is the way you cannot place a second bid on an item unless you have enough ad to cover both bids. you need to "send" the new amount before the previous amount has been refunded.
The refunded AD should be in your mailbox immediately after you have been outbid. You simply have to withdraw it.
As annoying as it can be it's preferable to trusting that the AD was not refunded directly in to your stack or having ti automatically withdraw from the mailbox slots. It would be nice if you could opt to pick it up from the AH if you are actually at the Auctioneers to avoid running back and forth, though.
from the buyers side, we should be able to forfit the bid if we choose
Set a minimum bid.
The system is set up this way to be fair to both the buyers and the sellers. It prevents the buyers from cancelling the bids and preventing a situation like jimmyhar described and it prevents buyers from having their time wasted because the seller decided that the bid did not get as high as they desired and cancelling at the last minute.
The minimum bid is the minimum amount you will accept for the item. That is your safety net.
There are good reasons nobody can cancel an item with a bid on it:
* Sellers need to be not able to cancel an auction that does not go as high as they wish
* Buyers need to not be able to put in a high bid, scare everone else away, then turn around and bid the minimum just before the auction expires
Changing this would have bad consequences for the health of the AH so it is unlikely to happen.
For the specific issue of new buyouts going lower than a bid amount: Don't bid on items with much time left, wait until there is just hours left on the auction.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,453Arc User
edited April 2015
You raise your hand in the auction; you stuck on it. This is an universal rule.
If you are not careful about your biding, it is your fault.
If you raise your hand twice to outbid yourself, it is also your fault.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
so when the problem is that you are too stupid to look at what you are bidding on it becomes cryptic's fault? They even give you a second chance to not bid on something in the form of a "Are you sure you want to bid on this" pop up.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,453Arc User
edited April 2015
I don't even see what the problem is. What is an unlegit item?
Every item in AH is legit item.
You may not like the price but they are all "legit".
You may be confused what it is but they are all "legit".
"Oh! I bid for a purple pants. Wait! It is for DC and I need one for my GWF. That is not a legit item. The seller confused me."
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
Um on auction websites such as eBay I'm pretty sure the seller doesn't have the option to cancel someone's bid on their item(s), so why should you have that type of ability here?
I don't get what you mean by "unruly folks doing stupid things in the auction house and of course we need to run them folks off"
I don't see any possible way for someone to be unruly or do stupid stuff with the auction house.
My guess is that you either got outbid and want the seller to cancel the other person's bid so you can win it or you posted something with a low bid price and are now upset caus its got the potential to sell for much lower than its worth. If its the latter option then tough luck, maybe next time don't post an item with a starting bid price that you wouldn't be willing to sell the item for.
one more thing, the market decides how much things are worth, not cryptic. one day the purple drops from t2 dungeons in mod 0 are worth didly squat, and the next day they are worth 8k each because of mod 1.
A better example of this is the cost of flawless sapphires in the Wondrous Bazaar. Cryptic decided they should cost 30k AD for 5k RP, if you want to play the game with crytic making all your market value decisions then go ahead and buy from the bazaar, i am happy people can choose to not pay that much.
cryptic can't anticipate everything that the market wants and a such can't put artificial caps on it. And i frequently transfer large sums of AD to friends Via the AH because we split a drop, we use altars or other easy to find things. most of those large sums are people hoping for fools or legit transfers
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What happened? Did you post a greater belt for an undercut price of 120,000 AD on the 12th and now they are going for 500,000 AD?
Setting a max limit on price in the auction house no longer makes it an auction house. It makes it a store. Next time, be patient. If you get screwed, the only person to blame is yourself. Nobody but you can place the AD on an item.
these are things I know, but these are things that need to be changed inorder to get some things corrected, so stop telling me stuff I already know after playing this game basicly since launch, Us the customer demands these things to be corrected a simple X button or heck even a report button for unlegit bids would be nice, so cryptic can decide to cancel the bid if the bid is not cool or just stupid, this is something that needs to be a topic simply because of the issue @ hand people scamming or looking for a way to mess with someone else head for a bit, is violation of TOS and hinders the fun and game play of others.
First of all, go to any online bidding site (ebay for example) and check out their selling policy, only in certain cases is a buyer allowed to change or retract a bid, and the restrictions on a seller canceling a bid are even stricter. As of this moment, you are the ONLY person I have ever seen request something like this, and everyone responding to this thread is saying its a bad idea and will add problems instead of fixing them (if there were any).
Second, how is there such a thing as an "unlegit bid"? if someone bids on an item the AD is automatically removed from their character and you will recieve that AD upon the auction ending. If by "unlegit" you mean that the AD was gained from some exploit, you will still recieve the AD upon the auction ending regardless of how the AD was earned. There is no scamming involved with the auction house. The auction house acts as a third party that will hold onto both the seller's and buyer's item(s)/AD so there is no possible way for you to get ripped off or scammed by using the auction house.
Third, here are the terms of service. The specific section of them that you want to look at will be section 15. The only part I can find that might fall under what you are talking about is: "j. engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play" however since I see no possible way to use the auction house to scam someone without the use of an explotit (covered in part K) I don't think there is any way that people could use the AH to violate the terms of service...
IF you know how the AH works already and want people to stop telling you how it works then show that you know how it works by not making suggestions that make things more difficult instead of easier. Many other people have stated exactly what problems your "fix" will cause, take a look at those and then honestly tell me you want to see those types of problems to exist in this game.
from the buyers side, we should be able to forfit the bid if we choose, this is not a joke, its because of unruly folks doing stupid things in the auction house and of course we need to run them folks off, feed off others like leeches, no joke cryptic, us the customer can help you clean up the game as well, just add a few things that help us help you, getting rid of bad apples is a start
Looks like the thread-starter was the buyer, and bid on something they didn't really want.
But I'm having trouble following what the problem is, too. Was the item description wrong, or unavailable, or confusing? I can't think of anything the seller can do to be "unruly" in the auction house. Ability to cancel is not a solution, it will only make things much, much worse.
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The refunded AD should be in your mailbox immediately after you have been outbid. You simply have to withdraw it.
As annoying as it can be it's preferable to trusting that the AD was not refunded directly in to your stack or having ti automatically withdraw from the mailbox slots. It would be nice if you could opt to pick it up from the AH if you are actually at the Auctioneers to avoid running back and forth, though.
Set a minimum bid.
The system is set up this way to be fair to both the buyers and the sellers. It prevents the buyers from cancelling the bids and preventing a situation like jimmyhar described and it prevents buyers from having their time wasted because the seller decided that the bid did not get as high as they desired and cancelling at the last minute.
The minimum bid is the minimum amount you will accept for the item. That is your safety net.
* Sellers need to be not able to cancel an auction that does not go as high as they wish
* Buyers need to not be able to put in a high bid, scare everone else away, then turn around and bid the minimum just before the auction expires
Changing this would have bad consequences for the health of the AH so it is unlikely to happen.
For the specific issue of new buyouts going lower than a bid amount: Don't bid on items with much time left, wait until there is just hours left on the auction.
If you are not careful about your biding, it is your fault.
If you raise your hand twice to outbid yourself, it is also your fault.
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
Every item in AH is legit item.
You may not like the price but they are all "legit".
You may be confused what it is but they are all "legit".
"Oh! I bid for a purple pants. Wait! It is for DC and I need one for my GWF. That is not a legit item. The seller confused me."
I don't get what you mean by "unruly folks doing stupid things in the auction house and of course we need to run them folks off"
I don't see any possible way for someone to be unruly or do stupid stuff with the auction house.
My guess is that you either got outbid and want the seller to cancel the other person's bid so you can win it or you posted something with a low bid price and are now upset caus its got the potential to sell for much lower than its worth. If its the latter option then tough luck, maybe next time don't post an item with a starting bid price that you wouldn't be willing to sell the item for.
A better example of this is the cost of flawless sapphires in the Wondrous Bazaar. Cryptic decided they should cost 30k AD for 5k RP, if you want to play the game with crytic making all your market value decisions then go ahead and buy from the bazaar, i am happy people can choose to not pay that much.
cryptic can't anticipate everything that the market wants and a such can't put artificial caps on it. And i frequently transfer large sums of AD to friends Via the AH because we split a drop, we use altars or other easy to find things. most of those large sums are people hoping for fools or legit transfers
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Setting a max limit on price in the auction house no longer makes it an auction house. It makes it a store. Next time, be patient. If you get screwed, the only person to blame is yourself. Nobody but you can place the AD on an item.
Fool.
First of all, go to any online bidding site (ebay for example) and check out their selling policy, only in certain cases is a buyer allowed to change or retract a bid, and the restrictions on a seller canceling a bid are even stricter. As of this moment, you are the ONLY person I have ever seen request something like this, and everyone responding to this thread is saying its a bad idea and will add problems instead of fixing them (if there were any).
Second, how is there such a thing as an "unlegit bid"? if someone bids on an item the AD is automatically removed from their character and you will recieve that AD upon the auction ending. If by "unlegit" you mean that the AD was gained from some exploit, you will still recieve the AD upon the auction ending regardless of how the AD was earned. There is no scamming involved with the auction house. The auction house acts as a third party that will hold onto both the seller's and buyer's item(s)/AD so there is no possible way for you to get ripped off or scammed by using the auction house.
Third, here are the terms of service. The specific section of them that you want to look at will be section 15. The only part I can find that might fall under what you are talking about is: "j. engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play" however since I see no possible way to use the auction house to scam someone without the use of an explotit (covered in part K) I don't think there is any way that people could use the AH to violate the terms of service...
IF you know how the AH works already and want people to stop telling you how it works then show that you know how it works by not making suggestions that make things more difficult instead of easier. Many other people have stated exactly what problems your "fix" will cause, take a look at those and then honestly tell me you want to see those types of problems to exist in this game.
Looks like the thread-starter was the buyer, and bid on something they didn't really want.
But I'm having trouble following what the problem is, too. Was the item description wrong, or unavailable, or confusing? I can't think of anything the seller can do to be "unruly" in the auction house. Ability to cancel is not a solution, it will only make things much, much worse.