Had a chance to run eLoL yesterday on my DC and was at shock..
Aren't 1600 iLvL requirement dungeons ment to be entry level for people to get those **** seals as some point to start from with blue gear ?
I had 52k hp with blue gear from quests as DC (58k with 1 blue bracers that dropped)
I would like to ask how exactly anyone who has not prefarmed PvP sets during mod 5 is supposed to even run those dungeons.
On twin Scorps their auto attack hits 139k dmg , their fire spit hits for 45-50
On dragon literally anything is 1 shot, tail swipe , any red carpet , honestly anything. You don't get hit or you are done.
So it seems dungeons now are all about kiting and dodging and NOT getting hit under ANY circumstanes.
In one of those runs I had tank with 130k hp he got ONE shot tru block in empowered Astral shield with Divine glow / H. Ground buff + feat DR buffs. He was bit over 3k iLvL.
Now, what kind of sorcery is that ??
Everthing seems like dps race now... you kill it asap or u get hit and die. Doesn't feel like any damage reduction make a effin difference on anything beside trash..
Why is incomming damage ramped up to the point stuff pretty much bursting ppl down by 1 shot ?
Is Neverwinter become whack-a-mole game now ?
You DO NOT need PVP purple gear. These dungeons are prefectly doable in blue gear from leveling or blue gear picked up. Granted you might need some higher end enchants say R7's but they are fine if you have the HP pool to help survive some mitigated hits or the occasional oops.
You NEED competent people to play. A GF or Paladin that knows how to keep shield UP! You need a DC that will actually use Divine Glow and Astral Shield (empowerd is even better). You need CONTROL so a CW that can actually freeze targets and rotate stuns and you will win.
People asking for 3k people to do dungeons are elitist snobs. I out DPS and contribute to the party more at my 2.2 - 2.4k than some at 2.7+. 3k does NOT equal win if you were a wallet warrior and have NOT adapted to new shifts in play styles.
Team work and coordination and for hte love of god will more DC and Tanks learn to play, there are too few 70s right now and many of htem still don't know their roles yet.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Team work and coordination and for hte love of god will more DC and Tanks learn to play, there are too few 70s right now and many of them still don't know their roles yet.
So much so that we need to run dungeons in order to find out how to play together. Especially the filler classes (HR, TR, SW, CW and GWF). The roles have changed dramatically... and what we should do and what we could do are different.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
I've managed to finish all 3 t2s today, cc was doable only thanks to an op gf who tanked blackdagger like a boss. I've never had so much fun doing dungeons since beta
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
I've managed to finish all 3 t2s today, cc was doable only thanks to an op gf who tanked blackdagger like a boss. I've never had so much fun doing dungeons since beta
Congrads man, I have yet to successfully do cc yet, but then again, I have been farming elol for horn.
My hr is running with 101k hp right now... and it does not help that much
Yup, pretty much this.
My SW only has 84k hp in the Blue Set and we were taking turns dying on Talos Kam in CC just so his HP wouldn't reset. ****'s pretty ridiculous.
Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?
The xbox players need to stay in their own forums, with the only reason is, THEY are a mod behind, the information we are discussing now has NO real value to them.
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
edited April 2015
Between the horrible grind in lagging zones and this, Cryptic managed to successfully remove any semblance of fun from the game, they should be congratulated. It's not often that you find an MMORPG where the combat has as much depth as flipping a coin.
1 i dont belive anyone has compleated any t2 dungeon if they did they had to use 1 of the manny bugs out there
2 yes the t1 can be done with blue gear but seeing is thats what they drop isnt this wrong
3 drops i have yet to see any drop from any dungeon other that green trash
4 ad where are we suposed to get any ad now leadership is dead and dungeons drop nothing now
5 riggs daily quest is broken so another source of ad gone
6 healing pots on what planet did the devs think a 10k hp was ok with the hp pool so hi a 10k pot is nothing and then on top of that the 18s cd is crazzy pots should be 25k hp min
7 rehashed areas only 1 new area this mod and no new dungeons or any real content
8 stat cuves for the most part i can agree with these with the exception on the life steal it needs to be a steep curv rather that a proc
9 mob damage needs to be reduced by 10-25 %
10 ac needs to give higher dr
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onegaki101Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 327Arc User
I've managed to finish all 3 t2s today, cc was doable only thanks to an op gf who tanked blackdagger like a boss. I've never had so much fun doing dungeons since beta
I find the 1,6k dungeons difficult, in that, every time I've queued, mind you have been trying to even complete one of them all day... has yielded an either:
- all dps
- 1healer - all dps
- no tank
group
Soon after clearing some trash, and a few splats, people bail, I join queues where it's at the same area I queued for an hour prior... saw a few folks mentioned you only get a few seals per run, where as the whole blue dungeon seal set costs 1,8k+ seals... and there's only a few seals per dungeon?
Unless you saved the pvp tokens, & shelled out for pvp gear, I don't see a 'full group' of 1,6k folks completing the 1,6k dungeons... heck I've yet to, & I've been trying all day... on top of what learch123 mentioned.
Not saying it's not doable, not trying to complain too much about it, but I was just under the impression you could get the blue WoD gear, get to 70, get the required ilvl, & hop into a dungeon with everyone else of the same ilvl, & work your way through it, as is, can barely get by any trash, before the group falls apart.
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
edited April 2015
Are the dungeons doable? Sure.
Are they fun to play? **** no.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited April 2015
Why are people still using queues, it was the WORST way up to mod 6 to do anything and ITS by far the worst thing to do now.
Join legit, join a guild, find a group in lfg if you have to, even thats a better option then queuing for a DD.
You are NOT blowing through these DDs, its not happening , you need to build a actual core group (gf, dc, 3 dps, prefer at least one a controller cw) That group will make it through the t1s , if moderately geared and played ok. One mistake though and your dead, fortunately the only time that matters is at the bosses.
Between the horrible grind in lagging zones and this, Cryptic managed to successfully remove any semblance of fun from the game, they should be congratulated. It's not often that you find an MMORPG where the combat has as much depth as flipping a coin.
Enough fun for you to still play that game. Start being a bit more realisitc or draw some consequences. As you mentioned there are many other MMO'S out there and ALL (suuuuure :rolleyes:) have much better combat - system. So why again do you play Neverwinter and not those other games?
I see a lot of people actually finish each one of the new dungeons - i think you are punished for every mistake you do. This makes you pay attention and is not the suuper boring faceroll from Mod 4,5...
They only reduced it by around 15%....leadership is not dead.
true - people just dont get it - people just read something and repeat that all the time without testing themselves - doesnt make it more true. Forum warriors.... *sigh*
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Why are people still using queues, it was the WORST way up to mod 6 to do anything and ITS by far the worst thing to do now.
Join legit, join a guild, find a group in lfg if you have to, even thats a better option then queuing for a DD.
You are NOT blowing through these DDs, its not happening , you need to build a actual core group (gf, dc, 3 dps, prefer at least one a controller cw) That group will make it through the t1s , if moderately geared and played ok. One mistake though and your dead, fortunately the only time that matters is at the bosses.
The groups I do it in are 5 dps, we all moderately geared, around 2.3k il, however we all know what we doing. We used to form the 1, dc, 1 gf, 3 dps groups, but it became a pain to get a dc and gf, so we just decided to try out 5 dps groups and it works fine.
It does seem, that T1 dungeons, which should be endgame for casuals (like myself).....aren't. And are instead:
a)Bugged to all hell.
b)Complete and total bullsssssssstuff.
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
No, this is just time-wasting, I can do it in other games as well, and I do because NW's lag problems make playing either outright impossible or a masochistic experience.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
The groups I do it in are 5 dps, we all moderately geared, around 2.3k il, however we all know what we doing. We used to form the 1, dc, 1 gf, 3 dps groups, but it became a pain to get a dc and gf, so we just decided to try out 5 dps groups and it works fine.
What are your 5 dps?
Im assuming you will need some control involved. frankly any group with 3 gwfs right now, is not my favorite to run with =P. In the old days I never cared what I got, I played all the classes and could as easily run point on any of them. I cant imagine going headlong into a mob pack with my gwf atm.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Im assuming you will need some control involved. frankly any group with 3 gwfs right now, is not my favorite to run with =P. In the old days I never cared what I got, I played all the classes and could as easily run point on any of them. I cant imagine going headlong into a mob pack with my gwf atm.
In general its 1/2 HRs, 1-3 CWs, 1/2 TRs and 1/2 SW's. A sw who is willing to be brave and wear the old t2 sets can still dish out truck loads of damage.... got to be really brave and trust other dps to manage aggro though Also, we all in a private chat channel where the requirement for an invite is pretty much to be able to play your class excellently, gs is not a requirement. This is something that is evaluated in trial runs. In general, the CWs in groups like this take point with shield on tab and CC adds, with HR's providing dodges for the heavier blows. The CW's also act as a pseudo heal, with chaotic growth literally being able to save a party. By spamming storm pillar in quick succession you can force proc it. Teamspeak also helps, but is not required Finally... understanding the last bosses mechanics is pivotal in an all dps group, if a single person doesnt they can kill the whole group.
From what I've noticed from pugging around on a SW, the state of PvE hasn't progressed, it's regressed.
I remember trying to get a party through LFG in the past (Mod 3/4) and how much of a nightmare it was. Not only do people want you to be grossly overgeared (Why the hell you need 2.5+ for eLoL is beyond me), but we've regressed to the "Kick the <insert class name here> and wait for a CW" days.
Even if I'm just queueing, 9 times out of 10, the following will happen:
A) Everyone leaves as soon as someone does something stupid or dies They see no GF/DC and leave immediately
C) They'll start complaining about "trashy dps" like HRs, TRs (lol), and SW
Not even that, I'm not sure how many people queueing have actually cleared the dungeons. VT end boss is pretty easy without a healer, even now, yet most parties can't even seem to handle Casks.
Overall, this is a pretty depressing time for anyone who isn't running with a premade.
I've contemplated retiring my SW.
Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
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onegaki101Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 327Arc User
edited April 2015
Doing group play with LFG players are always a HAMSTER shoot, just like any other MMO. That will never change. Join a guild that wants to PvE and are friendly to each other. Once you get a good group, you will noticed even for VT, there is no need to grab caskets. Went into VT yesterday with a group that just turned lvl 70 with their 60 gear and destroyed Valindra in minutes, no caskets spawned in 3rd phase. We did die a lot clearing trash, but those were mainly growing pains and lag. Few more VT runs and VT will be a very quick farm once again.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
edited April 2015
i want to do dungeon no HAMSTER so please fix the ap bug i cant even find a legit party.
Once you get a good group, you will noticed even for VT, there is no need to grab caskets. Went into VT yesterday with a group that just turned lvl 70 with their 60 gear and destroyed Valindra in minutes, no caskets spawned in 3rd phase.
I just did something similar, except with players in T1 gear, no set bonuses and Valindra still melted. We didn't have to open caskets. No healer in the party or DC with endless dailies. We had a tankadin with us and still had a few bumps along the way.
T2 is a complete different story. They kicked that up a lot of notches. It requires players to actually use their brains, though I have to admit, some of it feels completely out of whack. Devs probably didn't think players would level that fast or each T2 that fast either and probably still working out bugs and tuning.. or I would like to hope.
In the end people have to get used to the new difficulty level and it's no more carelessness. One mistake and the whole party can wipe.
The groups I do it in are 5 dps, we all moderately geared, around 2.3k il, however we all know what we doing. We used to form the 1, dc, 1 gf, 3 dps groups, but it became a pain to get a dc and gf, so we just decided to try out 5 dps groups and it works fine.
you do 5 dps with the hr bug( boss die in 5 minutes i discovered)VIDEOS!
The only ppl that reach that kind of HP are ppl who has prefarmed pvp sets in mod 5...
If you havent done that like me you are ROYALLY FAWKED.
I sit on 70k hp now... got blue chest piece from that chest end of elol...
I did try Temple of the spider, we couldnt get boss under 70% hp on PHASE ONE
As soon as tank got 1 shot it was over.
With out tank everyone else gets 1 shot non stop
Spitting spiders hit 60k crits on dps players
GOOD LUCK.
Actually good luck to anyone who is new to the game you are all screwed like no tomorrow.
But dungeons are so overclocked anyone who can't kite & dodge is as good as DEAD.
PS. VT lags like hell for some random reason for everyone... nigthmare on last boss
That's the ugly sad ****ing true, "anyone who is new in the game are screwed like no tomorrow"
for anyone reading this and getting scared.. go try CC/GWD/ToS .... it's not as scary as ppl are making it out to be. We crushed Syndryth 3 times b4 she even made it to Drider.
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You DO NOT need PVP purple gear. These dungeons are prefectly doable in blue gear from leveling or blue gear picked up. Granted you might need some higher end enchants say R7's but they are fine if you have the HP pool to help survive some mitigated hits or the occasional oops.
You NEED competent people to play. A GF or Paladin that knows how to keep shield UP! You need a DC that will actually use Divine Glow and Astral Shield (empowerd is even better). You need CONTROL so a CW that can actually freeze targets and rotate stuns and you will win.
People asking for 3k people to do dungeons are elitist snobs. I out DPS and contribute to the party more at my 2.2 - 2.4k than some at 2.7+. 3k does NOT equal win if you were a wallet warrior and have NOT adapted to new shifts in play styles.
Team work and coordination and for hte love of god will more DC and Tanks learn to play, there are too few 70s right now and many of htem still don't know their roles yet.
So much so that we need to run dungeons in order to find out how to play together. Especially the filler classes (HR, TR, SW, CW and GWF). The roles have changed dramatically... and what we should do and what we could do are different.
Congrads man, I have yet to successfully do cc yet, but then again, I have been farming elol for horn.
Yup, pretty much this.
My SW only has 84k hp in the Blue Set and we were taking turns dying on Talos Kam in CC just so his HP wouldn't reset. ****'s pretty ridiculous.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
me thinks hes a x box player.
The xbox players need to stay in their own forums, with the only reason is, THEY are a mod behind, the information we are discussing now has NO real value to them.
2 yes the t1 can be done with blue gear but seeing is thats what they drop isnt this wrong
3 drops i have yet to see any drop from any dungeon other that green trash
4 ad where are we suposed to get any ad now leadership is dead and dungeons drop nothing now
5 riggs daily quest is broken so another source of ad gone
6 healing pots on what planet did the devs think a 10k hp was ok with the hp pool so hi a 10k pot is nothing and then on top of that the 18s cd is crazzy pots should be 25k hp min
7 rehashed areas only 1 new area this mod and no new dungeons or any real content
8 stat cuves for the most part i can agree with these with the exception on the life steal it needs to be a steep curv rather that a proc
9 mob damage needs to be reduced by 10-25 %
10 ac needs to give higher dr
They only reduced it by around 15%....leadership is not dead.
some how i just dont belive you
- all dps
- 1healer - all dps
- no tank
group
Soon after clearing some trash, and a few splats, people bail, I join queues where it's at the same area I queued for an hour prior... saw a few folks mentioned you only get a few seals per run, where as the whole blue dungeon seal set costs 1,8k+ seals... and there's only a few seals per dungeon?
Unless you saved the pvp tokens, & shelled out for pvp gear, I don't see a 'full group' of 1,6k folks completing the 1,6k dungeons... heck I've yet to, & I've been trying all day... on top of what learch123 mentioned.
Not saying it's not doable, not trying to complain too much about it, but I was just under the impression you could get the blue WoD gear, get to 70, get the required ilvl, & hop into a dungeon with everyone else of the same ilvl, & work your way through it, as is, can barely get by any trash, before the group falls apart.
Are they fun to play? **** no.
Join legit, join a guild, find a group in lfg if you have to, even thats a better option then queuing for a DD.
You are NOT blowing through these DDs, its not happening , you need to build a actual core group (gf, dc, 3 dps, prefer at least one a controller cw) That group will make it through the t1s , if moderately geared and played ok. One mistake though and your dead, fortunately the only time that matters is at the bosses.
Enough fun for you to still play that game. Start being a bit more realisitc or draw some consequences. As you mentioned there are many other MMO'S out there and ALL (suuuuure :rolleyes:) have much better combat - system. So why again do you play Neverwinter and not those other games?
I see a lot of people actually finish each one of the new dungeons - i think you are punished for every mistake you do. This makes you pay attention and is not the suuper boring faceroll from Mod 4,5...
true - people just dont get it - people just read something and repeat that all the time without testing themselves - doesnt make it more true. Forum warriors.... *sigh*
The groups I do it in are 5 dps, we all moderately geared, around 2.3k il, however we all know what we doing. We used to form the 1, dc, 1 gf, 3 dps groups, but it became a pain to get a dc and gf, so we just decided to try out 5 dps groups and it works fine.
a)Bugged to all hell.
b)Complete and total bullsssssssstuff.
No, this is just time-wasting, I can do it in other games as well, and I do because NW's lag problems make playing either outright impossible or a masochistic experience.
What are your 5 dps?
Im assuming you will need some control involved. frankly any group with 3 gwfs right now, is not my favorite to run with =P. In the old days I never cared what I got, I played all the classes and could as easily run point on any of them. I cant imagine going headlong into a mob pack with my gwf atm.
In general its 1/2 HRs, 1-3 CWs, 1/2 TRs and 1/2 SW's. A sw who is willing to be brave and wear the old t2 sets can still dish out truck loads of damage.... got to be really brave and trust other dps to manage aggro though
I remember trying to get a party through LFG in the past (Mod 3/4) and how much of a nightmare it was. Not only do people want you to be grossly overgeared (Why the hell you need 2.5+ for eLoL is beyond me), but we've regressed to the "Kick the <insert class name here> and wait for a CW" days.
Even if I'm just queueing, 9 times out of 10, the following will happen:
A) Everyone leaves as soon as someone does something stupid or dies
C) They'll start complaining about "trashy dps" like HRs, TRs (lol), and SW
Not even that, I'm not sure how many people queueing have actually cleared the dungeons. VT end boss is pretty easy without a healer, even now, yet most parties can't even seem to handle Casks.
Overall, this is a pretty depressing time for anyone who isn't running with a premade.
I've contemplated retiring my SW.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
I just did something similar, except with players in T1 gear, no set bonuses and Valindra still melted. We didn't have to open caskets. No healer in the party or DC with endless dailies. We had a tankadin with us and still had a few bumps along the way.
T2 is a complete different story. They kicked that up a lot of notches. It requires players to actually use their brains, though I have to admit, some of it feels completely out of whack. Devs probably didn't think players would level that fast or each T2 that fast either and probably still working out bugs and tuning.. or I would like to hope.
In the end people have to get used to the new difficulty level and it's no more carelessness. One mistake and the whole party can wipe.
you do 5 dps with the hr bug( boss die in 5 minutes i discovered)VIDEOS!
If you like I can invite you to a legit 5 dps party where nobody is using any exploits...to prove that it is possible and it works fine
That's the ugly sad ****ing true, "anyone who is new in the game are screwed like no tomorrow"
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