Mod 6 will see the return of the pure control-spec, singbot/chillbot CW. Because that will be needed in order to survive the new dungeons.
And here's what the CW haters refuse to see: that the CW class is the most versatile class of all the classes in the game, but CWs CANNOT BE ALL THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY. A high-DPS CW will be one-shot killed by the new adds. A high-control CW will have pitiful DPS. Which is the way it ought to be. Those who want to nerf CW DPS are the ones who want to pigeon-hole CW into only one style of play only and destroy the incredible versatility that this class has. I see no benefit to this. NO CLASS does one and ONLY one thing!
GFs don't just tank, they also buff the party.
DC's don't just heal, they also debuff mobs.
HR's don't just DPS, they also AOE debuff mobs.
Etc.
So why this necessity to have CW's ONLY do positional control and nothing else?
This is nothing more than the exact same argument that has been on the forums for years now. We have not seen singbot high-WIS high-Recovery control-specced CWs for a long time now, since they haven't been needed since some time before mod1.
Dummy's arnt good for testing that one, need actual combat for it. Most any class can have a crit burst like that. Try controlling all teh variables, including player skill, in live combat and make a smart ACT log out of it I'll give you a medal.
I play all class's and with the right build,enchants,artif's,gear ect. can manage some type of burst crit like that including my SW. This was tested over 2 minutes of DPS, which invalidates your dps burst point completely.
At 70 with the TEST GEAR the devs gave us i don't see it proc. anymore than it always has and infact seems more wimpy now.That is correct, all tests proves theat SW is alot weaker than it was before and that wizards are still on top laughing.
The curve causes crit to be far less effective as you level up from 61-70. Except that now there's no DR cap, you can stack 10k...20k, crit if you want, which leads to some really REALLY bad stuff with storm spell
So the last thing we need is to nerf the CW's. Why? Everything I mentionned so far was valid information contesting that statement.
This sounds more like you want the SW to be buffed more than it is about the CW's (u used as an example) an old basic skill party's depend on 90% of the time. I do not care which way it goes. If wizards are left as is pure strikers need to out DPS them, all of them. HR TR GWF and SW. If they wont change all those classes then changes to CW are in order.
Anyway idk what else to say to this other than a big fat NO! Thats a nice opinion coming from a CW player, of course you don't want your class to be nerfed, who doesn't like being mighty powerful and dominating PvE content? Who likes to play a wimpy class?
tnx
I have nothing else to tell you at this point.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
Mod 6 will see the return of the pure control-spec, singbot/chillbot CW. Because that will be needed in order to survive the new dungeons.
And here's what the CW haters refuse to see: that the CW class is the most versatile class of all the classes in the game, but CWs CANNOT BE ALL THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY. A high-DPS CW will be one-shot killed by the new adds. A high-control CW will have pitiful DPS. Which is the way it ought to be. Those who want to nerf CW DPS are the ones who want to pigeon-hole CW into only one style of play only and destroy the incredible versatility that this class has. I see no benefit to this. NO CLASS does one and ONLY one thing! Great, and what does SW do? hm? Even temptation heals trough, you guessed it, damage. You just admitted openly your class has enormous potential and you seem ok with it. Take the row 3 feat of opressor icy veins and watch renegades controlling while keeping up the onslaught.
GFs don't just tank, they also buff the party.
DC's don't just heal, they also debuff mobs.
HR's don't just DPS, they also AOE debuff mobs.
Etc. I think you missed a class or two.
So why this necessity to have CW's ONLY do positional control and nothing else?
This is nothing more than the exact same argument that has been on the forums for years now. We have not seen singbot high-WIS high-Recovery control-specced CWs for a long time now, since they haven't been needed since some time before mod1.
That is not what my forum post discusses at all. Yes mod 6 will make some players return to full control paths. But because some players play opressor now has nothing to do with the fact renegade is still too strong and storm spell is still doing 40%+ of the wizard's dps. And it has nothing to do with DPS CWs doing twice the damage as pure striker classes while keeping more control, more survival than said classes
I have nothing else to add.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
matiagronxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 251Arc User
edited March 2015
Your posts are full of empathy for cws and their role in future content where clearly dps will be a second priority. Noone will be able to dps mobs like u dps dolls, can you AT LEAST comprehend this and stop fueling this meaningless thread?
-->please test SB fury against CW on single target and give us the data, if SB fury would deal less damage than CW by using WB, SS, KF (no DT please) there is nothing more to say than, nerf the CW or buff the SW
As requested...
SW SB Fury
Renegade CW Spellstorm
I've used the same rules as I did with every other test with this one as well.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
Your posts are full of empathy for cws and their role in future content where clearly dps will be a second priority. Noone will be able to dps mobs like u dps dolls, can you AT LEAST comprehend this and stop fueling this meaningless thread?
Then let's remove 4 classes from the game. Because 'Noone will be able to dps mobs like u dps dolls' So get rid of HR TR SW and GWF from the game.
No? then balance the classes.
It's never been the rich and wealthy that asked for fairness and equity, it's those who have less than the others. Yet you guys wonder why SWs and other strikers are asking (I've seen some using the words whining and crying alot) all over the forums for equity and you CWs classify us as whiny and annoying.
Get real. Let's reverse the roles and wonder if you wouldn't want your CW to be on par with the other classes. I said on par, not stronger than, before one of you calls BS on it.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
I'll throw this in. Denvald's test looked wrong to me. My very decked out CW can't do that kind of single-target damage on live. I've done many, many tests on AoE DPS and Single target DPS. So I was quite skeptical.
So I took my level 70 CW in ultra-pimped out gear and had him to a single target DPS test with what I suspect is the same Renegade build and same spells Denval used. Here are my results:
51k DPS. Just about the same thing he got.
That is pretty crazy single-target DPS. Heck, it'd be pretty crazy AoE DPS. It's certainly much, much better than anything I can do with Thaumaturge or Oppressor. The incredibly high Crit chance + Vorpal + 30% damage from Renegade Capsone + Chilling Presence is pretty terrifying combination on the Preview server. This may need to be looked at. It's not just the level scaling.
If you truly want to have a laugh, go with your CW main to Neverdeath Graveyard at the preview server and solo the dragon Charthraxis there. Oh, and if you can, record it and upload the video to youtube so we all can enjoy it, that would be awesome.
No that's not a big problem. Because here's the thing. CW is a versatile class. It can do many things very well. But in order to do so it has to make great sacrifices and tradeoffs.
A CW that can dish out 51k in single-target DPS has minimal survivability and minimal control.
A CW that has maximum control has pitiful DPS.
CAN a CW do BOTH? Yes. CAN a CW do BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY? NO.
Once again this whole discussion is just another way to force CWs into the singbot role. CWs are more than that and shouldn't be forced to play one single role.
Assuming both can deal 51k in single-target DPS, would you rather take a CW or a TR for the purposes of single-target DPS? Answer: TR, because a TR can dish out 51k in single-target DPS AND have enough survivability (Stealth, ITC, Dodge Rolls, high intrinsic Deflect, feats that buff stealth and buff stamina) that will prevent that TR from dying in one shot from any lvl 70 add. CW? Not so much. Just teleports, that's all.
Assuming both can heal the party for 120k, would you rather take a CW or a Faithful DC? Answer: DC, because the CW's healing is erratic and based on RNG proccing from a feat, while the DC's healing is based on predictable user-controlled encounters.
Assuming both can mitigate 200k worth of damage, would you rather take a CW with Shield on Tab, or a GF with Block? Answer: GF, because the CW's ability to mitigate that much damage is a one-time thing, and the CW does not have the abilities that a GF has to reflect that damage, heal based on damage taken (not with the new life steal changes, anyway), or in other ways protect the entire party from harm via things like Knight's Valor, Fighter's Recovery, etc.
A skilled CW will be knowledgeable enough to be able to exploit the versatility of the class to its fullest extent in order to do all things reasonably well, but a CW will NEVER be able to do ALL things AS WELL AS the class that is purposefully designed for that purpose. A CW will never tank as well as a GF over an extended period of time. A CW will never heal as well as a Faithful DC over an extended period of time. A CW will never deal single-target DPS as well as an Executioner TR over an extended period of time (because the CW will be dead under the same circumstances that the TR can evade).
A CW is not master-of-all-things *simultaneously*.
A CW that outperforms a TR in single-target damage is a total glass cannon that will die in one hit to anything. Please remember, DPS on the floor is zero.
If you want CWs to be singbots, then just say it. "CWs should have zero DPS and should just spam singularity all the time and let the other classes kill mobs". Because that is the vibe I am getting form you all. And I refuse to see the CW reduced to be nothing BUT this role ONLY.
I do not understand how some players cannot wrap their heads around the versatility of this class. It's as if they cannot even see how a class can be able to fulfill multiple roles. Do you also think DCs are only healbots and GFs are only tanks?
A - master different possibilities in your specialization (if you are main a aoe dps, have differents ranges/radius attacks, bursts and dots). gwf pré grand fissure nerf get close to that, just dont have dots (thank gods).
or
B - work in sinergy to differents expecializations of differents classes.i can remember the m3 hr (speak about pve).
you know that cws can do a lot of things are historically bad for the game. if you look the abaddon depoimant about your preview experience will know how that will be bad.
A CW is not master-of-all-things *simultaneously*.
A CW that outperforms a TR in single-target damage is a total glass cannon that will die in one hit to anything. Please remember, DPS on the floor is zero.
This is not correct in new dungeons cws are onlyone who can survive 2hits in row while tanks die from first
I'll throw this in. Denvald's test looked wrong to me. My very decked out CW can't do that kind of single-target damage on live. I've done many, many tests on AoE DPS and Single target DPS. So I was quite skeptical.
So I took my level 70 CW in ultra-pimped out gear and had him to a single target DPS test with what I suspect is the same Renegade build and same spells Denval used. Here are my results:
51k DPS. Just about the same thing he got.
That is pretty crazy single-target DPS. Heck, it'd be pretty crazy AoE DPS. It's certainly much, much better than anything I can do with Thaumaturge or Oppressor. The incredibly high Crit chance + Vorpal + 30% damage from Renegade Capsone + Chilling Presence is pretty terrifying combination on the Preview server. This may need to be looked at. It's not just the level scaling.
Thanks so much for confirming, testing and posting valid information, Since I lost my lv 70 wiz on preview due to black holes I was not able to post lv 70 information, that was the last doubt that people rubbed in my face in disbelief since I was testing from my lv 60 scaled to 70.
I really appreciate that you bring up lv 70 numbers to the disscussion, thanks again :cool:
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
I'll throw this in. Denvald's test looked wrong to me. My very decked out CW can't do that kind of single-target damage on live. I've done many, many tests on AoE DPS and Single target DPS. So I was quite skeptical.
So I took my level 70 CW in ultra-pimped out gear and had him to a single target DPS test with what I suspect is the same Renegade build and same spells Denval used. Here are my results:
51k DPS. Just about the same thing he got.
That is pretty crazy single-target DPS. Heck, it'd be pretty crazy AoE DPS. It's certainly much, much better than anything I can do with Thaumaturge or Oppressor. The incredibly high Crit chance + Vorpal + 30% damage from Renegade Capsone + Chilling Presence is pretty terrifying combination on the Preview server. This may need to be looked at. It's not just the level scaling.
Oh so I just noticed, Storm does a really low percentage of your DPS in this picture... which leads me to remember that I was using the artifact off hand for storm spell. Were you using it as well? if the answer is no, can you try again with it and compare ? My storm spell did twice as much DPS as yours did, that could indicate a bug in the artifact off hand.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
Has anyone done a dps test with a BIS lvl 70 TR, GWF, SW, HR or dmg DC, to compare abaddons numbers to? No? Why bother? Maybe, they will have a similar or even higher dps. Maybe BIS lvl 70 TR or GWF or any other class will have 100k dps, but go ahead, nerf CW, a BIS lvl 70 CW does double the dps than a scaled 17k lvl 60 SW.
Would be nice to compare apples to apples, not to oranges.
Has anyone done a dps test with a BIS lvl 70 TR, GWF, SW, HR or dmg DC, to compare abaddons numbers to? No? Why bother? Maybe, they will have a similar or even higher dps. Maybe BIS lvl 70 TR or GWF or any other class will have 100k dps, but go ahead, nerf CW, a BIS lvl 70 CW does double the dps than a scaled 17k lvl 60 SW.
Would be nice to compare apples to apples, not to oranges.
So it is ok for to u cw can take more damage then tanks in new dungeon but in the same time giving the better utily control and having few times better dps then anyone
So it is ok for to u cw can take more damage then tanks in new dungeon but in the same time giving the better utily control and having few times better then anyone
How does this answer my question.
BTW, I doubt, that the CW had shield tabbed for this test, so what is the point. Besides that, shield absorbs 2 hits. If the CW took two smaller hits, the 3rd one will kill him like any other char, even with tabbed shield.
It seems, that some ppl think, that CWs shield effect is something, the CW can control or use like a GF can use its block, it s not.
1 - cw is not the main or secundary tank. by anny way should resist more than anny fighter.
2 - cw is not the primary dps class, so dont shouldnt have the same or more damage than the primary dps class. simple like that
BUT everyone is missing the point. Abaddon, which seems a well-meaning person, was not having these results even use this denvald build (no idea what is). that is, the main problem with the cw is this build and the synergy of these powers/feats/mimimi.
Like I said, no matter what data you provide to convience them, it's never enough. GG, Dominate Wizards, blight of PvE, the game would have been so much better and harder if not that buff/nerf race devs started so the other classes could catch you up in usefulness.
Oh so I just noticed, Storm does a really low percentage of your DPS in this picture... which leads me to remember that I was using the artifact off hand for storm spell. Were you using it as well? if the answer is no, can you try again with it and compare ? My storm spell did twice as much DPS as yours did, that could indicate a bug in the artifact off hand.
That's an interesting observation. The difference is not the artifact off-hand it is the new crit curve bringing down my crit rate. Your crit rate is higher than mine. As you level up you lose a pretty good chunk of crit % because of the new stat curves. Less crits means less storm spell procs.
I made up for that damage in other ways. I was popping my DC artifact to get more Ice Knives in there (notice I had 6 to your 3), I was using my High Vizier set to get the effectiveness up to 130%, boons like Elven Ferocity are on, etc.
That's an interesting observation. The difference is not the artifact off-hand it is the new crit curve bringing down my crit rate. Your crit rate is higher than mine. As you level up you lose a pretty good chunk of crit % because of the new stat curves. Less crits means less storm spell procs.
I made up for that damage in other ways. I was popping my DC artifact to get more Ice Knives in there (notice I had 6 to your 3), I was using my High Vizier set to get the effectiveness up to 130%, boons like Elven Ferocity are on, etc.
You both really need to meet on preview and test this stuff together.
matiagronxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 251Arc User
edited March 2015
Only by this statement "Cw is a ranged class" your remarks fall short. CW is not a ranged class, its a head on melee dps/control class. Period. Same goes for the HR for those who are ignorant. They are not ranged classes, or maybe let me put it another way. They may be played like ranged classes but they shine when they are played melee. So the "ranged" argument falls short and proves that most of you have really NO IDEA what a well played CW is. Also your observations of a SINGLE run in VT have ZERO credibility. Period. There is nothing you can say to convince anyone else but yourselves and any other cw empathizers. The game is about to change dramatically, just wait for it to happen and you can start. if needed, a new M6 thread.
Only by this statement "Cw is a ranged class" your remarks fall short. CW is not a ranged class, its a head on melee dps/control class. Period. They may be played like ranged classes but they shine when they are played melee. So the "ranged" argument falls short and proves that most of you have really NO IDEA what a well played CW is
Since you feel that Cw is not a ranged class (LMAO) thn you wouldn't matter if your 90s range was cut to half in pvp.Wouldn't you?Since CW is not a range class.
yes CW as the pro CW told us is melee class.He knows better.Yes.That is why 90s range are overkill.50s would do. :P
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And here's what the CW haters refuse to see: that the CW class is the most versatile class of all the classes in the game, but CWs CANNOT BE ALL THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY. A high-DPS CW will be one-shot killed by the new adds. A high-control CW will have pitiful DPS. Which is the way it ought to be. Those who want to nerf CW DPS are the ones who want to pigeon-hole CW into only one style of play only and destroy the incredible versatility that this class has. I see no benefit to this. NO CLASS does one and ONLY one thing!
GFs don't just tank, they also buff the party.
DC's don't just heal, they also debuff mobs.
HR's don't just DPS, they also AOE debuff mobs.
Etc.
So why this necessity to have CW's ONLY do positional control and nothing else?
This is nothing more than the exact same argument that has been on the forums for years now. We have not seen singbot high-WIS high-Recovery control-specced CWs for a long time now, since they haven't been needed since some time before mod1.
I have nothing else to tell you at this point.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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I have nothing else to add.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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As requested...
SW SB Fury
Renegade CW Spellstorm
I've used the same rules as I did with every other test with this one as well.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
Then let's remove 4 classes from the game. Because 'Noone will be able to dps mobs like u dps dolls' So get rid of HR TR SW and GWF from the game.
No? then balance the classes.
It's never been the rich and wealthy that asked for fairness and equity, it's those who have less than the others. Yet you guys wonder why SWs and other strikers are asking (I've seen some using the words whining and crying alot) all over the forums for equity and you CWs classify us as whiny and annoying.
Get real. Let's reverse the roles and wonder if you wouldn't want your CW to be on par with the other classes. I said on par, not stronger than, before one of you calls BS on it.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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So I took my level 70 CW in ultra-pimped out gear and had him to a single target DPS test with what I suspect is the same Renegade build and same spells Denval used. Here are my results:
51k DPS. Just about the same thing he got.
That is pretty crazy single-target DPS. Heck, it'd be pretty crazy AoE DPS. It's certainly much, much better than anything I can do with Thaumaturge or Oppressor. The incredibly high Crit chance + Vorpal + 30% damage from Renegade Capsone + Chilling Presence is pretty terrifying combination on the Preview server. This may need to be looked at. It's not just the level scaling.
A CW that can dish out 51k in single-target DPS has minimal survivability and minimal control.
A CW that has maximum control has pitiful DPS.
CAN a CW do BOTH? Yes. CAN a CW do BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY? NO.
Once again this whole discussion is just another way to force CWs into the singbot role. CWs are more than that and shouldn't be forced to play one single role.
Assuming both can deal 51k in single-target DPS, would you rather take a CW or a TR for the purposes of single-target DPS? Answer: TR, because a TR can dish out 51k in single-target DPS AND have enough survivability (Stealth, ITC, Dodge Rolls, high intrinsic Deflect, feats that buff stealth and buff stamina) that will prevent that TR from dying in one shot from any lvl 70 add. CW? Not so much. Just teleports, that's all.
Assuming both can heal the party for 120k, would you rather take a CW or a Faithful DC? Answer: DC, because the CW's healing is erratic and based on RNG proccing from a feat, while the DC's healing is based on predictable user-controlled encounters.
Assuming both can mitigate 200k worth of damage, would you rather take a CW with Shield on Tab, or a GF with Block? Answer: GF, because the CW's ability to mitigate that much damage is a one-time thing, and the CW does not have the abilities that a GF has to reflect that damage, heal based on damage taken (not with the new life steal changes, anyway), or in other ways protect the entire party from harm via things like Knight's Valor, Fighter's Recovery, etc.
A skilled CW will be knowledgeable enough to be able to exploit the versatility of the class to its fullest extent in order to do all things reasonably well, but a CW will NEVER be able to do ALL things AS WELL AS the class that is purposefully designed for that purpose. A CW will never tank as well as a GF over an extended period of time. A CW will never heal as well as a Faithful DC over an extended period of time. A CW will never deal single-target DPS as well as an Executioner TR over an extended period of time (because the CW will be dead under the same circumstances that the TR can evade).
ps:cw dont is versatile, is broken; to do different jobs you have a party. cw need be a controler/ secundary dps. if since m1 that are made...
but, of course, if is to be "versatile" or all the classes need to be too OR be far, far better in your specializations. dont sounds fair?
... no, that "versatile" thing dont make sense.
A CW that outperforms a TR in single-target damage is a total glass cannon that will die in one hit to anything. Please remember, DPS on the floor is zero.
If you want CWs to be singbots, then just say it. "CWs should have zero DPS and should just spam singularity all the time and let the other classes kill mobs". Because that is the vibe I am getting form you all. And I refuse to see the CW reduced to be nothing BUT this role ONLY.
I do not understand how some players cannot wrap their heads around the versatility of this class. It's as if they cannot even see how a class can be able to fulfill multiple roles. Do you also think DCs are only healbots and GFs are only tanks?
A - master different possibilities in your specialization (if you are main a aoe dps, have differents ranges/radius attacks, bursts and dots). gwf pré grand fissure nerf get close to that, just dont have dots (thank gods).
or
B - work in sinergy to differents expecializations of differents classes.i can remember the m3 hr (speak about pve).
you know that cws can do a lot of things are historically bad for the game. if you look the abaddon depoimant about your preview experience will know how that will be bad.
Thanks so much for confirming, testing and posting valid information, Since I lost my lv 70 wiz on preview due to black holes I was not able to post lv 70 information, that was the last doubt that people rubbed in my face in disbelief since I was testing from my lv 60 scaled to 70.
I really appreciate that you bring up lv 70 numbers to the disscussion, thanks again :cool:
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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max value 170k.
balanced
Oh so I just noticed, Storm does a really low percentage of your DPS in this picture... which leads me to remember that I was using the artifact off hand for storm spell. Were you using it as well? if the answer is no, can you try again with it and compare ? My storm spell did twice as much DPS as yours did, that could indicate a bug in the artifact off hand.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
Would be nice to compare apples to apples, not to oranges.
So it is ok for to u cw can take more damage then tanks in new dungeon but in the same time giving the better utily control and having few times better dps then anyone
How does this answer my question.
BTW, I doubt, that the CW had shield tabbed for this test, so what is the point. Besides that, shield absorbs 2 hits. If the CW took two smaller hits, the 3rd one will kill him like any other char, even with tabbed shield.
It seems, that some ppl think, that CWs shield effect is something, the CW can control or use like a GF can use its block, it s not.
2 - cw is not the primary dps class, so dont shouldnt have the same or more damage than the primary dps class. simple like that
BUT everyone is missing the point. Abaddon, which seems a well-meaning person, was not having these results even use this denvald build (no idea what is). that is, the main problem with the cw is this build and the synergy of these powers/feats/mimimi.
look that and lets see.
WTB Class Reroll please
Give me my baby encounter Shard Of The Endless Avalanche and you take can Storm Spell for all I care.
- a CW bored of being a proc-bot.
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
That's an interesting observation. The difference is not the artifact off-hand it is the new crit curve bringing down my crit rate. Your crit rate is higher than mine. As you level up you lose a pretty good chunk of crit % because of the new stat curves. Less crits means less storm spell procs.
I made up for that damage in other ways. I was popping my DC artifact to get more Ice Knives in there (notice I had 6 to your 3), I was using my High Vizier set to get the effectiveness up to 130%, boons like Elven Ferocity are on, etc.
WTB Class Reroll please
Since you feel that Cw is not a ranged class (LMAO) thn you wouldn't matter if your 90s range was cut to half in pvp.Wouldn't you?Since CW is not a range class.
yes CW as the pro CW told us is melee class.He knows better.Yes.That is why 90s range are overkill.50s would do.