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hercules125
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Currently, on preview, your character becomes injured on every hit from a trap - whereas before injuries only occurred on death. Was this done to make TRs more desirable on dungeon runs?
Several reasons I don't care for the change:
1. Most groups will probably continue to plow through dungeons rather than wait for a TR to disarm every trap along the way. Cant see groups sitting around.
2. There is a higher prevalence of traps in solo content than in dungeons, from what I've seen. I'm not going to search for a TR to accompany me on every solo instance.
3. It is very annoying to have to stop to deal repeatedly with injuries while solo playing. Just not fun.
And no, not every trap is avoidable - just the obvious ones with the tubes sticking out of the ground.
4. Forces me to spend gold on injury kits, when some of my toons need every drop of gold for healing potions.
This is going to be more the case with the nerf to lifesteal.
I would rather have more varied types of traps - like you see in the Indiana Jones movies. Maybe stuff like rockslides that force you to go another route. Or floods that push you 30 feet backwards. Can't see too many people liking this change.
Several reasons I don't care for the change:
1. Most groups will probably continue to plow through dungeons rather than wait for a TR to disarm every trap along the way. Cant see groups sitting around.
2. There is a higher prevalence of traps in solo content than in dungeons, from what I've seen. I'm not going to search for a TR to accompany me on every solo instance.
3. It is very annoying to have to stop to deal repeatedly with injuries while solo playing. Just not fun.
And no, not every trap is avoidable - just the obvious ones with the tubes sticking out of the ground.
4. Forces me to spend gold on injury kits, when some of my toons need every drop of gold for healing potions.
This is going to be more the case with the nerf to lifesteal.
I would rather have more varied types of traps - like you see in the Indiana Jones movies. Maybe stuff like rockslides that force you to go another route. Or floods that push you 30 feet backwards. Can't see too many people liking this change.
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2. More trs in pt its a good thing!!!
3. This is not a solo game!!!
die in traps and blame the rogue luck is hilarious. ahahah
Tiny metal spikes are actually one of the most effective means FOR piercing plate armor. Arrows and crossbow bolts were extremely effective at piercing plate armor, not to mention bullets.
So yeah, it actually makes a lot of sense.
EDIT: And people, you can see most traps once you get close to them. Just don't Leroy Jenkins over them...avoid the traps. I've never encountered a single instance in this game where a trap was unavoidable.
So yeah, I'm all for more annoying traps.
Add more unavoidable traps and make 'em hurt more. It'll be awesome.
//be careful what you wish for.
if the traps is not just a random block that will require me to stop the game to use a kit, ok.
1) Yep traps currently (on live) suck
2) TRs are a good asset anyway
3) I'd kind of say that is it. Most of the modules time spent is on solo stuff and tiamat had no partying
I can see this being something that people don't care enough to take care for traps, but something annoying enough to be a pain.
Side note: leadership gives plenty of gold. I have many thousands of gold.
1. It appears that each trap gives one type of injury, for example a body injury or a leg injury.
2. Triggering the trap multiple times does not stack the injury.
3. Your tactical (shift) skill prevents the injury... sometimes.
You say that triggering the trap multiple times does not stack the injury. Have you gotten the chance to test whether triggering MULTIPLE traps stacks the injury?
and why do little gas could cause injury when getting hit by a huge *** fireball from dragon dont ?
just unnecessary annoying **** added to game to HAMSTER ppl off
at least add ability to put injury kits in belt slot so i can run past those bs traps without having to open my bags
armor protects from being hit in the face by 20 ton dragon(at least you dont get any injury from that), what is some metal spike or a HAMSTER ?
For the people that doesn't understand how plated armor works: Plated Armor only derive an incoming attack like a sword attack it never directly oppose the impact. If a plate armor would oppose nearly 100% of the impact it would be destroyed and the remaining kinetic energy of this impact would kill you or cause severe injurys. (Besides that is one reason i hate female armor in fantasy games because most armor shows the cleavage, the part which should be protected by the armor (close to heart)).
To kill people in the mediaeval time that wore an plate armor to protect themself you simply searched for the weak spots like neck, ventail or joints. Another weapon that could easily kill an heavily armored person was the Raven's beak which had on one side a large nail and on the other side a hammer. You could easily peel someone out of his armor or strike against his head with such a thing.
At level 70, are we in for needing more expensive kits than Major Injury Kits to heal up?
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Further testing proved some of this wrong.
Although my level 20 paladin running "Spell Burst" couldn't stack injuries, my level 60 cleric running the Elemental Evil intro quests could. I also found a trap that could injure either arms or body, but didn't seem to injure head or feet. I guess higher level traps are more vicious.
better just running through traps and then pressing keybind x times than to try to evade traps or waste time with tr disarming them
also as seen on mythbusters those traps can hardly hit a running person http://www.nerdist.com/2015/01/what-we-learned-from-the-mythbusters-indiana-jones-special/
How make some kill instantly, some that cause massive temporary debuffs, and others that keep you poisoned for a very long duration.
Little injury is nothing. What else do you throw your heaps of gold at?
Yeah, it's a multiplayer game, but the lairs really are balanced for single players. Fine with traps in dungeons; not so fine for the stuff that's designed as solo content.
Also, there's potential for this to be horribly broken in Foundry content.
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Traps have been part of D&D from the beginning.
Since your armor isn't environmentally sealed, gas traps will hurt. Since the bottoms of your boots aren't inches or armor, spikes will hurt.
I wish more traps had CC effects like the explosive runes in Thayan Magical Shelter. Make traps that polymorph, daze, freeze or knockdown/up/back my character and place them in the midst of enemy groups to spice up combat.
Those are cool. Annoying, but cool.
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And if they were made more deadly from the beginning, we would've taught ourselves to look out for and avoid them.
But they weren't, so we didn't. New players are going to learn the opposite. It's the old players who are going to realize they can just "LOLOLOL" over a bunch of spike traps or poison gas vents.
From the sound of this change, traps will be used as gold sinks and/or a means of forcing players, I imagine mostly solo players who were fine not carrying around injury kits, to use up an inventory slot.
I like the idea of traps being meaningful but if that's the intent, to promote group play or for players to consider their actions, then simply ramp up their effects a bit and scale them to the content (as they always should have been). Promoting group play is more than just shoving a specific class down a party's throat just so they can benefit from that class' ability (and you really need a queue that allows for class choice if you're going to do that anyway). What about clerics being able to heal trap effects? Fighters being able to face-disarm them? Hunter's being able to mark them so the party can avoid them? etc.
Okay, Panic.
Minor injury kits are cheaper than skill kits, but not by much. It's going to make starting out somewhat more difficult even for an observant player while they learn to recognize traps (slightly less so for fighters and much less so for rogues). And I still find some of the pressure plates on dirt surfaces difficult to discern from surrounding terrain.
I just think it's a mixed blessing, even though I like the underlying idea.
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If anyone wants, I have some amateur photoshop skills. I'm more than happy to put out a Module 6 "Guide to Traps" if people feel it's necessary.
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whatever, **** the traps(no, not those kinds of traps) and just spam injury kits after
just boring and annoying design instead of a challenge
now traps like in risen(instakill unless you press evade on time) would be better, but only if there is like 1~2 per instance not some 2698436
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