I have played quite a bit of Paladin in the preview server and didn't like the GamePlay enough to scrap my DPS GF.
You guys just miss the most important part of the discussion imo. After the nerfs to Life Steal and Regen the Parties will need both tanks and healers to perform well.
If you look at the population atm, Guardian fighters and Clerics have far smaler populations than the DPS Classes (and the supposed "controler" class). So to make more people take the role it comes the new class that can help giving more population to both roles.
I didn't find paladins OP, they do even less damage than Guardian Fighters for god sake.
I agree with you 100 % .
Paladin is the real face tank he is slower much much slower then GF and he deal lot lower dps .
But he is much more like a wall of iron.
GF is more like positioning always moving grab the agro and lure /fool your oponents using dirty tricks teleporting jumping large distances.
OP is more like focuse on me hit me hit me i will still stand .
OP is more like focuse on me hit me hit me i will still stand .
THIS! You get it! I just wish everyone else would get it, too. Paladin has always been my class of choice back in the 2e days with tabletop D&D. (Well, AD&D if I remember correctly. I've always loved the Protector portion and so on.)
The Protector OP is not about dealing damage. It's about being an attention/damage *MAGNET*.
To say to hostiles: Hey, look at me and focus your attention on ME, not the rest of my party. Make all your attacks on ME, not my party. I will not deal much damage to you, but my PARTY will do that FOR ME. I will be a ROCK so I can stand there and take what you dish out so my PARTY can take you out.
THIS is what a Protector paladin has always supposed to have been (more or less, at least the way I've always understood it). And this is also why I've been saying in the "GF Obsolete" thread that they are wrong. OP is not about doing what the GF does. It's different.
Now, as for the "I'll do no damage but stand like the Rock of Gibraltar" business isn't all that great for solo-play. It will be slow-going like the painful old days of GF and DC. LOL
From LvLs 1 to 49 Tank Paladin dmg is just right But once you hit 50 and get aura of radiance there AoE/DoT dmg and threat generation hits ludicrous LvLs AoR is basicaly a Pulsing 30m AoE tant that dose massive dmg every 3 seconds mines hits for well over 1k a tik atm at lvl 59. I am most certainly going to say that he can do dmg only a GF can dream of and though i hate to agree with Zvel but i mite just have to.
You are soo wrong this is already in the game "Green dragon glyph" :When dealing or taking damage you have a 25% chance to gain Aspect of Poison for 20 seconds, granting 400/800 Deflect and causing you to radiate poison, dealing 200/300 Poison damage every 2 seconds to foes within 30'. When Aspect of Poison ends, foes within 30' take 2000/3000 Poison damage.
By the way GF ITF can buff this dmg to 600-700 / 2 sec and if you use 2x Green dragon the buff is up 100% of the time .
Using ACT it only increased my DPS 1.8 % and this is every 2 sec .
This skill will not make OP dps superior to GF .
I also believe and have faith that the Paladin will not make GF's obsolete for me its just another flavor of tank or healer.
yeah its a great wall and everything but so is a gf and many of these hard taunts... they last for maybe 2 seconds for most of them two seconds isnt anything to write home about.
that said Paladin is a good tank and a good class its the dps zerg elitist mentality thats wrong with this game and these forums tbh im glad theyre getting rid of some of all this solo HAMSTER.
oooh something new.... scary.... get over it.
also tab no longer heals when you take the protector oath and the heal from shift is negligible at best.
You are soo wrong this is already in the game "Green dragon glyph" :When dealing or taking damage you have a 25% chance to gain Aspect of Poison for 20 seconds, granting 400/800 Deflect and causing you to radiate poison, dealing 200/300 Poison damage every 2 seconds to foes within 30'. When Aspect of Poison ends, foes within 30' take 2000/3000 Poison damage.
By the way GF ITF can buff this dmg to 600-700 / 2 sec and if you use 2x Green dragon the buff is up 100% of the time .
Using ACT it only increased my DPS 1.8 % and this is every 2 sec .
This skill will not make OP dps superior to GF .
Pretty sure AoR dmg scaled based on power Armor Pen your character has its also boosted By AoC and if it can triggers Racials for the drow tiefling then it can perhaps trigger weapon and armor enchants as well. But again untill i see the feat tree for the OP we cant realy compare GF dps To there DPS and from haveing a max OP and a max GF on live there DPS is neck and neck and OP is edging out on top even with its bare naked feats alone we havent even gotten armor sets for this guy yet or a dps paragon feat tree. so plz save comparison for when the OP is on a complete equal footing
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Its still early to say how paladin will work comparing it to GF, the only thing that anoyed me is that paladin is better in pulling mobs which is stupid cuz taunting is the GFs tab ability and he should be the best agro menager. I dont mind OP having better survivability or heals but the agro beast is the GFs job. At the end GFs have the worst tab in whole game that now became even worse comparing it to other classes. Gfs tab should be reworked to cause more threat and marks all nearby oponents or something like that, or just make a new tab for GF.
I also believe and have faith that the Paladin will not make GF's obsolete for me its just another flavor of tank or healer.
yeah its a great wall and everything but so is a gf and many of these hard taunts... they last for maybe 2 seconds for most of them two seconds isnt anything to write home about.
that said Paladin is a good tank and a good class its the dps zerg elitist mentality thats wrong with this game and these forums tbh im glad theyre getting rid of some of all this solo HAMSTER.
oooh something new.... scary.... get over it.
also tab no longer heals when you take the protector oath and the heal from shift is negligible at best.
2 second taunts? There's only 1 encounter that gives 2 second taunt, the rest of them give 3-6 seconds. Oath Strike at-will can permamently lock your target in combat, so can divine call which is an AoE taunt.
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Paladin is the real face tank he is slower much much slower then GF and he deal lot lower dps .
But he is much more like a wall of iron.
GF is more like positioning always moving grab the agro and lure /fool your oponents using dirty tricks teleporting jumping large distances.
OP is more like focuse on me hit me hit me i will still stand .
THIS! You get it! I just wish everyone else would get it, too. Paladin has always been my class of choice back in the 2e days with tabletop D&D. (Well, AD&D if I remember correctly. I've always loved the Protector portion and so on.)
The Protector OP is not about dealing damage. It's about being an attention/damage *MAGNET*.
To say to hostiles: Hey, look at me and focus your attention on ME, not the rest of my party. Make all your attacks on ME, not my party. I will not deal much damage to you, but my PARTY will do that FOR ME. I will be a ROCK so I can stand there and take what you dish out so my PARTY can take you out.
THIS is what a Protector paladin has always supposed to have been (more or less, at least the way I've always understood it). And this is also why I've been saying in the "GF Obsolete" thread that they are wrong. OP is not about doing what the GF does. It's different.
Now, as for the "I'll do no damage but stand like the Rock of Gibraltar" business isn't all that great for solo-play. It will be slow-going like the painful old days of GF and DC. LOL
You are soo wrong this is already in the game "Green dragon glyph" :When dealing or taking damage you have a 25% chance to gain Aspect of Poison for 20 seconds, granting 400/800 Deflect and causing you to radiate poison, dealing 200/300 Poison damage every 2 seconds to foes within 30'. When Aspect of Poison ends, foes within 30' take 2000/3000 Poison damage.
By the way GF ITF can buff this dmg to 600-700 / 2 sec and if you use 2x Green dragon the buff is up 100% of the time .
Using ACT it only increased my DPS 1.8 % and this is every 2 sec .
This skill will not make OP dps superior to GF .
yeah its a great wall and everything but so is a gf and many of these hard taunts... they last for maybe 2 seconds for most of them two seconds isnt anything to write home about.
that said Paladin is a good tank and a good class its the dps zerg elitist mentality thats wrong with this game and these forums tbh im glad theyre getting rid of some of all this solo HAMSTER.
oooh something new.... scary.... get over it.
also tab no longer heals when you take the protector oath and the heal from shift is negligible at best.
Pretty sure AoR dmg scaled based on power Armor Pen your character has its also boosted By AoC and if it can triggers Racials for the drow tiefling then it can perhaps trigger weapon and armor enchants as well. But again untill i see the feat tree for the OP we cant realy compare GF dps To there DPS and from haveing a max OP and a max GF on live there DPS is neck and neck and OP is edging out on top even with its bare naked feats alone we havent even gotten armor sets for this guy yet or a dps paragon feat tree. so plz save comparison for when the OP is on a complete equal footing
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2 second taunts? There's only 1 encounter that gives 2 second taunt, the rest of them give 3-6 seconds. Oath Strike at-will can permamently lock your target in combat, so can divine call which is an AoE taunt.