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Official Feedback Thread: Trickster Rogue Cap Raise
rrshendev
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Greetings Adventurers!
In conjunction with the forthcoming raise to the level cap, each class will see additions and adjustments. This content will gradually be made available on our preview shard. As it becomes available we would very much like to collect your feedback!
This thread will be focused on the Trickster Rogue. Initially only new class features and feats will be made available, however this thread will be updated alongside the preview shard in the future.
Class Features
The following class features will become available at 60 points.
Oppressive Darkness - When you enter stealth you deal Piercing Damage to all foes in a 25' area. Rank: +10% Damage.
Talisman of Shadows - When you enter stealth you Daze all foes in a 25' area for 2 seconds. This duration is halved on players. Rank: +1s/0.5s
Feats
The following feats will become available after investing 10 paragon points into the corresponding tree. Feats previously available at 10 points have been moved to 15, those available at 15 have been moved to 20, and so on.
Saboteur:
Scoundrel:
Executioner:
In conjunction with the forthcoming raise to the level cap, each class will see additions and adjustments. This content will gradually be made available on our preview shard. As it becomes available we would very much like to collect your feedback!
This thread will be focused on the Trickster Rogue. Initially only new class features and feats will be made available, however this thread will be updated alongside the preview shard in the future.
Class Features
The following class features will become available at 60 points.
Oppressive Darkness - When you enter stealth you deal Piercing Damage to all foes in a 25' area. Rank: +10% Damage.
Talisman of Shadows - When you enter stealth you Daze all foes in a 25' area for 2 seconds. This duration is halved on players. Rank: +1s/0.5s
Feats
The following feats will become available after investing 10 paragon points into the corresponding tree. Feats previously available at 10 points have been moved to 15, those available at 15 have been moved to 20, and so on.
Saboteur:
- Grinning Steel - Attacks from behind your target have 1/2/3/4/5% more chance to crit. (Known issue: The tooltip text currently on preview may be inaccurate)
- Blood Soaked Blades - If a foe you have recently damaged dies, you gain Blood Soaked Blades, which causes your attacks to deal 20/40/60/80/100% of your weapon damage as bonus Physical damage.
Scoundrel:
- Back Alley Tactics - When your AP is empty you deal 5/10/15/20/25% more damage. This bonus diminishes as you gain AP.
- Master Infighter - You take 2/4/6/8/10% less damage from melee attacks.
Executioner:
- Final Moments - A nearby foe dies you gain Final Moments which increases your movement speed and critical severity by 5/10/15/20/25%.
- Deathknell - You deal 8/16/24/32/40% more damage to foes below 30% HP.
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We need to collect as much feedback as possible on this so we can tweak the Trickster Rogue in PVE and performance in PVP. Given that, we would like you to categorize and color code your feedback so we can sort it and act on it most effectively! Please use the below format to submit bugs/feedback.
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These new feats replace existing Tier 3 feats btw.
*update* at the time of posting i didnt realize these feats are newly squeezed between the old T2 and T3 feats.
FINAL MOMENTS: I tested final moments for about an hour. When it procs my critical severity jumps from 75% to 1075% for a split second. It procs every time something dies within .. 80' ? I only got to see the evidence of it being effective once. (log below) The problem is, because the benefit is so short, it will only fire maybe once in a thousand times because you have to be dealing damage in that split second. Most of my kills in drowned shores were either one-shot or DF kills. Meaning I couldnt proc Final Moments on myself; the below occured when someone nearby killed something just at the moment i was using Dazing (the moons aligned). POSSIBLY you could proc this in solo by Path of the Blade but more-so I find that PotB and SmokeBomb do just enough damage to clean up everything with DF.
After testing my feedback is this: the benefit is too short to be of any use. I understand it's wickedly overpowered; but I would much prefer a slight dmg boost over a useable amount of time than an incredible trap skill that never actually procs.
BUG: Neither class feature worked for me. Both had 1 rank already slotted b4 I respecced my character and despite my trying to put 2 more ranks in both neither would accept them or allow me to slot them in my class feature slots. As a result I could test neither.
Avariel Merilwen: Burn baby, MoF/Rene
Aejun The Silver: Devoted to Healing, DevOP/Justice
Mina Rosepetal: Super Natural, Pathfinder/Melee
Frost: Benchwarmer, Soulbinder/Fury
BUG = DEFLECT SEVERITY is only 50%
Shadow of Demise don't work with at-wills and dailies, only with direct damages encounters
What damage (numbers)?
QUESTION - Master Infighter
Tooltip on preview server doesn't say melee attacks, just attacks - please clarify
Piercing damage needs to be re-coded as an attack that attacks with 100% armor penetration NOT an attack that bypasses ALL forms of resistance.
The logic that "this damage was already accounting DR and tenacity etc with the initial hit sounds great and all, but the huge problem is that not only are the abilities and skills VERY far from balanced, its bypassing feats that are supposed to make you immune to damage (example - steely defense) AND many classes are given tools (like Unstoppable) that are meant to be re-active to taking damage, so when you do something like Lashing Blade it THEN allows classes like GWFs to use unstoppable which just gets mitigated.
So unless you want to change unstoppable to be used on command SO the GWF can mitigate that 35k lashing blade SO that SoD procs for less... It will NEVER be balanced bypassing ALL forms of DR(tenacity included).
ALL of these sources of piercing damage (Shocking Execution, Shadowy Opportunity, Shadow of Demise, HRs Piercing Blade feat) should attack with 100% armor pen NOT bypass ALL DR.
Your playing an impossible balancing act, giving GWF/GF more DR feats to help them mitigate damage then you turn around and give classes feats that bypass it all.... Whats the point!?!
TR will STILL be over powered changing all their piercing damage to 100%arp instead of a bypass code. It wont affect PVE AT ALL! Its only breaking pvp. Take 2 minutes and browse the forums youll find a handful of threads about TR OP and them "1 shotting from full HP via Shocking Execute" or a TR using Lashing Blade then runming away waiting for SoD tomproc because you cant mitigate the damage.
TLDR: ALL piercing damage should NOT bypass damage resistance but MERELY attack with 100% armor penetration instead. Why add in tenacity to help in PVP if your gonna let a handful of classes ignore it?
This is DIRECT feedback to the piercing damage feat. Please Consider this.
Is this the same old Scoundrel bug where you have to take both T1 feats in order for one to work?
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1. The reduction of deflection severity from 75% to 50% makes it very difficult to survive basic encounters alone.
The reduction of deflection also cripples our encounter IMPOSSIBLE TO CATCH.
Please put our deflection severity back to 75% Thanks!
2. The lifesteal procs are few and far between. Solo encounters are hard to survive, I have strong concerns about the survivability of boss encounters for TR
3. Our best chance as TR in mod 6 would be to use black ice purified armor + for healing effects + and all radiant enchantments in attack / defense slots. Be ready to put out some serious cash people! (or change to perma stealth and pray that bosses don't kill you quickly)
I would love to hear first if deflection severity decrease was planned change, or is it simply a bug (can't get the answer for days). If it was changed on purpose then they just nerfed probably most balanced tr path - Scoundrel - which relay on deflect a lot (while it practically have almost no impact on stealthed builds).
BUG: Placing points in 2 new class features after respec bugs a character - all points spent in stats, boons etc reset immediately after changing a tab
Smoke Bomb is not providing full damage against level-scaled mobs (I went to ToD areas to test); each tick gives about 100 damage. This is actually a bug currently present in the live build, but it remains in Mod 6 as well.
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Just to note that SoD is not simply piercing (from another thread):
Regardless:
PvE:
1. Final Moments: To short to notice, and unreliable, either it procs where everyone already dead, or there is not enough time to get into position.
2. Deathknell :
For now (and at level 61) most things are more or last separated into two groups: die fast (mobs, minions) or takes time to kill (bosses, elites)
Last Moments has a stealthed variation with 70%, so a rotation like stealth->dazing->smoke->whirlwind->stealth(using invisible infiltrator)->blitz will most likely proc it on the last encounter (blitz here) and finish everything or stack enough for SoD to finish everything. This is not the most useful feat but it has it's chances to work
In Deathknell it is not the case, the period a mob is at 30% is extremely short up to non existent, what makes this feat even less likely to be reliable. I think it is more likely to affect PvP...
Generally: Those feats are extremely like the next tier, what makes them redundant and limits the versatility of the path.
With the new stat curves and especially crit, perhaps feats that normalize the damage between stealth and non stealth will be more versatile.
Knidfe edge feat in combination with Bloodbath brings all the encounters to 0 cooldown.
Very happy with the change to final moments. It synergizes with stealth and gloaming cut very well.
Avariel Merilwen: Burn baby, MoF/Rene
Aejun The Silver: Devoted to Healing, DevOP/Justice
Mina Rosepetal: Super Natural, Pathfinder/Melee
Frost: Benchwarmer, Soulbinder/Fury
bug: i m not able to put more than a point on new class feature, to better explain it does not save the changes.
bug: same thing happens to the 4 point of all powers.
My TR still lurches as though his ankles were broken when I stop running. It really does look horrible, and I have trouble believing that this was ever implemented intentionally. I know it has nothing to do with combat design, but you could maybe kick a character animator and get them to look at it? I assume the walk animations that were "fixed" by introducing a different animation than the one that was originally broken also remains unchanged.
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you need to re-copy your toon. i had same problem.
Avariel Merilwen: Burn baby, MoF/Rene
Aejun The Silver: Devoted to Healing, DevOP/Justice
Mina Rosepetal: Super Natural, Pathfinder/Melee
Frost: Benchwarmer, Soulbinder/Fury
talisman of shadow works for me and dazes yet when i re-spec it fully breaks my TR and i cant spend any feat/power/ability or boon points. This only happens with a re-spec token not the boon and feat respec.
feat saboteur: please consider to change 1 feat with the mechanic "from behind" we have already 3 feats like that and is getting a tad much. 90% of the time it's impossible to stay behind.
Similarly, the tooltip for Courage Breaker at 4th power point is giving an additional 30% damage reduction from enemy, pushing it to 120%
please check these things for tr too, i dont have enough time
BUG: Shadow of Demise not applying on more then 1 target when using AOE skills ( Blitz , Smoke bomb )
FEEDBACK: the new targeted teleport feels laggy, like it has a .5-1 ish second delay on it