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Doomguide Severin = Cult Leader Severin?

azahronazahron Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2 Arc User
edited January 2015 in The Moonstone Mask (PC)
Is this the same guy that you originally "save" during the Neverdeath storyline? I recently replayed it and noticed he actually has a dragon emblem on his chest armor too.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I assumed it was one and the same. We were betrayed by Rath Modar (sp) as well so it fits the story, it's just a shame it's not expanded on in dialog for the quests.
  • azahronazahron Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    charononus wrote: »
    I assumed it was one and the same.

    Yeah, so did I. I was just wondering if it's covered somewhere, or whether I missed something.
    Makes me wonder whether he was corrupt from the start and lead his fellow Doomguides into an ambush, or whether it was that whole ordeal that did it.
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  • cxyencxyen Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    If we had a dungeon where Severin is a last boss would be nice too. Like CN with Dracolich.

    Is Severin died too at Tiamat in the DnD Lore?

    I dont know anything abt DnD lore...
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    azahron wrote: »
    Is this the same guy that you originally "save" during the Neverdeath storyline? I recently replayed it and noticed he actually has a dragon emblem on his chest armor too.

    Wow, Ive never really put that together. But if that is the case, whoa, that mission got more creepy then it already was. I mean it was pretty dang dark to begin with. From being too late to save most of the group, the dead clerics ghost not knowing she was dead, the body of the ranger at his last stand, the converted dwarf, and the shell shocked Halfling who abandoned her friends to die. There was nothing "happy-fun-time" about that place at all. But if its the same Severin...wow.

    That means he lead his companions into that trap and watched them be tortured, converted, and killed. Or it means you were simply too late and he was already turned. After all the awful things that happened to that group, its just comes off as an extra helping of awful.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2015
    This is something of a mystery to me also. The only two conclusions I can come up with are that:

    1) Cult Leader Severin was Doomguide Severin in disguise, which explains why he survived the Cult.
    2) Cult Leader Severin is just another member of the Severin family. From what I can find, it sounds like Severin is a Surname.
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  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Nope. Not a surname. He is also a Wizard - I don't recall Doomguide Severin being a wizard.
    From WotC - Severin Silrajin

    So, I think it's just a couple of guys named Severin.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2015
    eldarth wrote: »
    Nope. Not a surname. He is also a Wizard - I don't recall Doomguide Severin being a wizard.
    From WotC - Severin Silrajin

    So, I think it's just a couple of guys named Severin.
    Ah thanks! I missed the header on that article. According to source material and Neverwinter, "Doomguide Severin" is a middle-aged human cleric of Kelemvor. Where-as "Cult Leader Severin" is a young human wizard.
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  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I don't think he is either, although I am surprised to see someone else noticed this :p Also, I am fairly certain the two Severin's are of different classes, making it impossible for them to be the same unless they bought a new zen item called the, "class reroll token," for 1500 zen :p
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  • azahronazahron Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    eldarth wrote: »
    Nope. Not a surname. He is also a Wizard - I don't recall Doomguide Severin being a wizard.
    From WotC - Severin Silrajin

    So, I think it's just a couple of guys named Severin.

    Ah, that solves the mystery! Guess that makes Doomguide Severin innocent after all!
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    eldarth wrote: »
    Nope. Not a surname. He is also a Wizard - I don't recall Doomguide Severin being a wizard.
    From WotC - Severin Silrajin

    So, I think it's just a couple of guys named Severin.

    I think in this case "I reject your reality and substitute my own." Having them be the same person is a better story imo.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2015
    charononus wrote: »
    I think in this case "I reject your reality and substitute my own." Having them be the same person is a better story imo.
    Well, it wouldn't be the first time an NPC in the Realms has disguised themselves as another class. So, your reality isn't baseless. Also, we don't have stats on him, he could have some levels in cleric but mostly wizard. Not sure if he's listed in the Tiamat Module, as I don't have that yet.
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  • naicalusnaicalus Member Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    How is it better? We already have a 'curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal' thing with Modar. :P

    Anyway, besides the class differences, if you play the Graveyard quest with Doomguide Severin and do eLoL or Tiamat, it's immediately obvious that the two sound nothing alike. Nor is Doomguide Severin young.

    Not the same guy. But I bet Doomguide Severin is starting to feel like guys named <evil person> must have in the 40s in our world... :P
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  • azahronazahron Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    naicalus wrote: »
    How is it better? We already have a 'curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal' thing with Modar. :P

    Anyway, besides the class differences, if you play the Graveyard quest with Doomguide Severin and do eLoL or Tiamat, it's immediately obvious that the two sound nothing alike. Nor is Doomguide Severin young.

    Not the same guy. But I bet Doomguide Severin is starting to feel like guys named <evil person> must have in the 40s in our world... :P

    It's a universe that has spells like Change Self, Polymorph, Shapeshift and a whole host of other magics and artifacts meant to deceive others. He could sound like a toddler one day, and like an old man the next if he wanted to. (And look like them as well :P)

    But I think it's clear now that he's not the same guy. I can't remember a single MMO villain using shapeshifting magic except for Onyxia (and I think hers is more of a natural ability), the players would get WAY too confused I bet. xD
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  • zshikarazshikara Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    azahron wrote: »
    It's a universe that has spells like Change Self, Polymorph, Shapeshift and a whole host of other magics and artifacts meant to deceive others. He could sound like a toddler one day, and like an old man the next if he wanted to. (And look like them as well :P)

    But I think it's clear now that he's not the same guy. I can't remember a single MMO villain using shapeshifting magic except for Onyxia (and I think hers is more of a natural ability), the players would get WAY too confused I bet. xD

    Technically all of the dragons in World of Warcraft can shapeshift. Its just one of their things.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2015
    zshikara wrote: »
    Technically all of the dragons in World of Warcraft can shapeshift. Its just one of their things.
    So can dragons in D&D. A lot can in D&D actually! :)

    Especially silver dragons, who tend to enjoy taking on elven or human forms and living among mortals without them ever knowing.
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  • zshikarazshikara Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    zebular wrote: »
    So can dragons in D&D. A lot can in D&D actually! :)

    Especially silver dragons, who tend to enjoy taking on elven or human forms and living among mortals without them ever knowing.

    It really seems like a lot of western RPGs get their basis from D&D and its part of why I like so many. Dragon Age, WoW, and The Elder Scrolls are three that come to mind immediately that are heavily D&D influenced. I am sure there are tons more. Now I am seriously derailing this thread and will stop.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    naicalus wrote: »
    How is it better? We already have a 'curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal' thing with Modar. :P

    Anyway, besides the class differences, if you play the Graveyard quest with Doomguide Severin and do eLoL or Tiamat, it's immediately obvious that the two sound nothing alike. Nor is Doomguide Severin young.

    Not the same guy. But I bet Doomguide Severin is starting to feel like guys named <evil person> must have in the 40s in our world... :P

    Robert Kirkman, the creator of The Walking Dead, specifically said he has included more than one character with the same given name in his comic, because it's not at all realistic that nobody you meet ever have the same name (even if it is a common trope in fiction).
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  • azahronazahron Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    zshikara wrote: »
    It really seems like a lot of western RPGs get their basis from D&D and its part of why I like so many. Dragon Age, WoW, and The Elder Scrolls are three that come to mind immediately that are heavily D&D influenced. I am sure there are tons more. Now I am seriously derailing this thread and will stop.

    Out of those, WoW follows D&D the closest when it comes to dragons though. On Dragon Age and The Elder Scrolls they're little more than mindless beasts.
    beckylunatic wrote: »
    Robert Kirkman, the creator of The Walking Dead, specifically said he has included more than one character with the same given name in his comic, because it's not at all realistic that nobody you meet ever have the same name (even if it is a common trope in fiction).

    I think that's more common in comic universes in general. The average comic reader tends to have a pretty good memory, especially if they're following multiple comic series in the same universe.
    On the other hand, it's a big no no for TV, where the average viewer's attention span is low enough as it is :P
    George R.R. Martin even renamed Asha to "Yara" for the show, because it was too close to Osha, and it would leave the audience all confused!
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