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dwarf75dwarf75 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
edited May 2015 in PvE Discussion
Is lesser one enough or do u advise normal or greater ones?do they worth it? Koz they r really expensive and ppl r talking about the 5. Utility slot is it a necklace with an utility slot?
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  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    I made 3 lessers and slotted them on my GWF.

    Doing the dailies in the Well of Dragons - which took me about 25 minutes - I picked up the following;

    4 Peridots
    1 Aquamarine
    1 Lesser Resonance Stone
    1 White Pearl

    6100 RP in 25 minutes is not bad at all. Lessers are worth it in my opinion if you can't afford normals and greaters.

    Just remember, you can make them yourself by just doing the Tyranny of Dragons and Rise of Tiamat dailies. Costs you 20k AD if you make them yourself while on the AH they sell for 40k AD and more.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • henry404henry404 Member Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have a mix of normal and lesser. I dump any low rank enchants into the lessers with a view to upgrading them when they are ready. I think I have 5 slotted in total, the normal head, hands and feet plus a couple in artifact equipment. Can't remember which ones. Maybe neck and belt?
    I don't think I'll upgrade any beyond normal though. There are better things to spend the RP on, at least for now.

    And, yes, craft the lessers yourself in the M4/5 campaign tree.
  • untamedengineer#6733 untamedengineer Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    In my opinion there is no real reason to go beyond Normal Dragonhoard Enchants (currently running 5 normal slotted). Then again I do not see any reason to go beyond R8 enchants in anything other than a PvP environment.. just not worth the cost involved to move up one or two additional ranks. The time investment needed for an upgrade is better spent banking the refining points for the next module and RP sink that they release.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dave49424 wrote: »
    In my opinion there is no real reason to go beyond Normal Dragonhoard Enchants (currently running 5 normal slotted). Then again I do not see any reason to go beyond R8 enchants in anything other than a PvP environment.. just not worth the cost involved to move up one or two additional ranks. The time investment needed for an upgrade is better spent banking the refining points for the next module and RP sink that they release.

    Honestly with the nerf to them in foundries, I'm not sure there is a reason to go beyond lessers.
  • henry404henry404 Member Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I think most folk don't use the foundry for farming or anything else.
    I have the dragon hoard enchants slotted because they are the most useful thing to have in a utility slot and I just play the game normally and get some bonus RP here and there. It may just be the RNG variations but it does seem like since I slotted 5 of them that the quality of the drops has gone up. I still get some peridots and pearls but I seem to get more sapphires, aquamarines and lesser resonance stones now. Maybe I'm imagining it, maybe the drops quality was quietly improved, maybe more enchants does improve it. In any case. I just let those things accumulate in my bag in anticipation/hope of another double RP event some time.

    I'm in no rush to max everything and I love those bonus stones popping up just in normal play, especially if it's a shiny shiny opal.
  • mmm1001mmm1001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 497 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    With 5xGreater (e.g 15% chance) you get ~5-8 drops/5 min, if you do it properly.
    What those 8 drops will be is changing over time (as someone is playing with game parameters) but it is usually 50% peridots, 30% pearls, 1% opals, etc.

    How to do it propely:
    Get a stopwatch, or some other kind of clock.
    Attack group of 5, once you see drop, notice time and add 30 secs.
    Wait until new time comes and attack next group. If a group doesn't drop anything move to next one immediately.
    You can do this anywhere, but I am not sure if all zones have same drop table (e.g how many peridots/pearls/etc), but drop type generally doesn't depend on enemy size/strength - I got many pearls and peridots from killing dragons.
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You don't need anything more than a couple normals (let's say a total of 5-6%, however distributed).

    Most of the time you will be waiting on cooldown and not "actively seeking a drop", so there is no need for big percents.
  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    seens that i cant reply
  • mrvincent1959mrvincent1959 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Is it confirmed that there is a cooldown for drops despite the % chance you have slotted?
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  • mmm1001mmm1001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 497 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Is it confirmed that there is a cooldown for drops despite the % chance you have slotted?
    Definetly. Right now it is 30 sec.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mmm1001 wrote: »
    Definetly. Right now it is 30 sec.
    And it's 2 or 3 mins (I forget which, in the foundry)
  • omnipotence411omnipotence411 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well then doesn't that defeat the purpose of a % chance for every drop? Silliness.
  • mrvincent1959mrvincent1959 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Those Coffers have about a 10 minute cooldown and now this!!!!! Sometimes I wonder about this game.
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  • mmm1001mmm1001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 497 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    It is matter of balance.
    Game is balanced in a way, that you need to play 2-4 hours/day every day to keep up with new content. If you fall back the only option is to compensate with real $$
  • untamedengineer#6733 untamedengineer Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well then doesn't that defeat the purpose of a % chance for every drop? Silliness.

    From a strictly qualitative observation, it does seem that a higher stacked percentage rate on the dragon hoard provides an increases to the quality of the drops.. such as more peridots and less white pearls.
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  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I startet with five Lesser Dragon Hoard enchantments. After three or four days i had my 100.000 AD cost to create the enchantments back only by playing the game, not farming. With 5% you drop most likely Peridots, White Pearls, Minor Ressonance Stones and sometimes an Aquamarin. "Rare Drops" are Lesser Resonance Stones and Flawless Saphire. I only got one Black Opal in a Week.

    After this i continued with five "normal" Dragon Hoard enchantments which results in 10% drop rate. To create one normal enchantment it will cost you aditional ~280.000 AD. Which means five normal Dragon Hoard enchantments will cost 1.500.000 AD (inlcuding the costs of Lesser Dragon Hoard enchantments) if you use Rank 4 enchantments. I had my return of investment after a bit more then two weeks.
    The result is you drop more often and better refinenemt stuff. You get lesser of the white pearls and minor resonance stones and get more of the other stuff. Within the two weeks i got nearly one black pearl per day or two days. I played the game normal and only farmed if i had to wait for a queue or didn't know what to do in the game (in total i think it was like 4 hours of farming in two weeks).

    Now i own five Greater Dragon Hoard enchantments. The costs are high and you will pay at least ~4.750.000 AD not including the price of the green Wards. But you get better drops. Most likely you get Peridots. With a few more Aqauamarine. What increased was the drop of Flawless Saphire while the chance of a Black Opal seems stuck. If a Ressonance Stones drop i have the feeling it is now a 50/50 chance to get a minor or an lesser. White Pearls are still in the drop table but only 20-30% of my drops now.

    In the normal World you have a cooldown of 30 seconds. In Foundrys i am not sure if it really is a 2 Minute cooldown or only a system behind which reconize if you kill too much monsters in short time because most foundrys are only monster spams.

    I now switched to make space in my "Neverwinter Time" for one hour farming per day. Today i got like 20 White Pearls, 55 Peridots, 10 Aquamarin, 4 Flawless Saphire, 20 minor Ressonance Stones, 20 lesser Ressonance Stones and 0 Black Opal. This means i made like 124.500 refining points in one hour with greater dragon hoard enchantments. This would mean it would take ~20 hours of farming to get your AD back from the greater refining stones as bound RP with a ratio of 2 AD per 1 RP.

    Best farming place seems Well of Dragon or Rothe Valley (Dragon Area) or similar Areas close to the old Dragon spawns.
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  • rollingonitrollingonit Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You're getting the ideal drop rate for sure. 120 drops in 60 minutes is exactly the 30 second CD. If it actually worked like that for me, and they eliminated white pearls all together I wouldnt say a word about refinement. But again you're getting the ideal/efficient drop rate. But I cant see dropping millions to make a greater hoard, not at that rate compared to whats needed.

    PS I think IWD is the best to farm. You get the rank5s if you do an encounter, the kessel sigil for the gear bag, plus drops. WoD id say second, cause you can do the dragon run and get a bunch of blue/purple stuff to refine or salvage as well.
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  • icyphishyicyphishy Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have 9% drop rate, its dropping noticibly more and better for me! (*better probably because I have a higher drop rate now so more chance getting better stuffs?)

    Here's the list of things I farmed in the past 2 weeks with 9% Dragonhoard Enchantment (I dont do much PvE, mainly daily quest in Dragon's Well and randomly 2~3 other daily dragon, thats all)

    5 x black opal
    17 x flawless sapphire
    66 x Lesser Resonance Stone
    91 x Minor Resonance Stone
    28 x Aquamarine
    156 x Peridot
    203 x Pearl

    Total = 485800 RP

    One piece of artifact gear is approximately 4.5m, so at this rate I would be able to refine one piece of artifact to legendary in approximately 2 months time, or 1 month worth of farming if its double refining weekend! :)
  • dupawpasiedupawpasie Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have the same question, as a relatively new player who does not have that much ad, is it worth to buy 5x lesser dragon hoard and work his way from up there? How about lesser fey blessings?
  • wimpazoidwimpazoid Member Posts: 504 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Pretty informative. Seems I should be slotting dragon hoard instead of darks in my utility slots.
  • shadevpshadevp Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    3 Normal Hoards for head, arms and feet;
    1 normal Fey in belt and 1 7 Tymora in neck.

    This is more than enough, imho :)
  • dwarf75dwarf75 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Thx for all friendly players sharing experiences with us. I switched some of my lessers with normals and after 1 day observation it is obvious that more% brings u more drops and increased quality
  • henry404henry404 Member Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I sometimes wonder how the enchants stack. Does it just add up the % and make one roll on a loot table or does it roll separately for each enchant and then choose one of the results? Are two 1% enchants exactly the same as one 2% enchant? Is the cooldown global or per enchant?

    Whatever, I'm pretty happy with the results. It's not very scientific but I used up all my RP on the double refining and since then I've just been letting it build back up. A quick look in the bag last night did seem to support my feeling that I am getting better quality drops than before. In particular my lesser resonance stones, aquamarines and sapphires seemed more plentiful than I expected. Still plenty of peridots and pearls but nowhere near the amount suggested by various folks who have studied it. But it might just be a purple patch. Maybe next week I'll be complaining about all those rubbish pearls. I'll continue "organically" upgrading the enchants until they are all normal. Going up to Greater might be too expensive though.
  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dupawpasie wrote: »
    I have the same question, as a relatively new player who does not have that much ad, is it worth to buy 5x lesser dragon hoard and work his way from up there? How about lesser fey blessings?


    I would still prefer the lesser dragon hoard because you get refinement items like white pearls and peridots which can be used for any refinement task while you get with lesser fey blessing only rank 4 enchantments which are at max. 270 rp worth.

    if you wanna get your hands on cheap lesser dragon hoards play the tyranny of the dragon campaign. then you automatically unlock the task to generate a lesser dragon hoard enchantment every 8 hours. the task cost only a bit of campaign currency and 20.000 ad.
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    shadevp wrote: »
    3 Normal Hoards for head, arms and feet;
    1 normal Fey in belt and 1 7 Tymora in neck.

    This is more than enough, imho :)

    Mix and matching was my plan too until they did the bop nonsense. I'd rather not have my inventory filled with readily available junk.
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  • kr3ndkr3nd Member Posts: 132 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    morenthar wrote: »
    For the love of all gaming, SAVE ALL RP for next 2x.

    Too much time, instead I waste 2m+ Rp to get every artefack purple now.
  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    So I just slotted 2 dragon hord "gems" in 2 utility slots

    Can you "Buy" higher level dragon hord "gems" or must you refune them.... cause I need then to help refine...


    Urlord
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    urlord283 wrote: »
    So I just slotted 2 dragon hord "gems" in 2 utility slots

    Can you "Buy" higher level dragon hord "gems" or must you refune them.... cause I need then to help refine...


    Urlord

    Refine or buy from AH. A normal does come from the legendary dragon pack.
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