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lordzalm
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Everything I see in the AH is expensive as hell for DC. Never fails, its usually more expensive than any other class for same gear from same place. Which means there is more stock for other classes than for DC. Which means DC gets bad drop rates. Which means if you want to gear as a DC, you either have to pay, or spend a week doing the same thing a TR takes a day to do.
For example, Lets look at a few Tyranny of Dragons items.
Draconic boots/greaves.
CW= 7k AD
GWF= 9k AD
HR/TR= 10k AD
SW= 27k AD
DC= 84k AD
GF= 90k AD
Now it seems here that GF and DC have the worse drops and worse prices of all classes. Lets check another drop section.
Draconic Gloves/Bracers
CW/HR/GWF= 8k AD
TR/SW= 10k AD
DC/GF= 25k AD
And once again, the GF and DC get the bad drops and bad prices. Lets move on to older stuff, that have already dropped and thus have been in stock for some time. Lets check Castle Never stuff, mainhands T2
GF= 105k AD
HR/GWF= 115k AD
SW= 146k AD
TR= 177k AD
DC= 229k AD
CW= 255k AD
Once again, DC may not be the worst, but its a close second to being the bottom. I could go on, but I feel my point is made. Is it a standard to just not drop any DC gear normally, or is it made to be pay to play for one of the more important classes in the game?
For example, Lets look at a few Tyranny of Dragons items.
Draconic boots/greaves.
CW= 7k AD
GWF= 9k AD
HR/TR= 10k AD
SW= 27k AD
DC= 84k AD
GF= 90k AD
Now it seems here that GF and DC have the worse drops and worse prices of all classes. Lets check another drop section.
Draconic Gloves/Bracers
CW/HR/GWF= 8k AD
TR/SW= 10k AD
DC/GF= 25k AD
And once again, the GF and DC get the bad drops and bad prices. Lets move on to older stuff, that have already dropped and thus have been in stock for some time. Lets check Castle Never stuff, mainhands T2
GF= 105k AD
HR/GWF= 115k AD
SW= 146k AD
TR= 177k AD
DC= 229k AD
CW= 255k AD
Once again, DC may not be the worst, but its a close second to being the bottom. I could go on, but I feel my point is made. Is it a standard to just not drop any DC gear normally, or is it made to be pay to play for one of the more important classes in the game?
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Just watch the market and have patience. May take a while with some items . . .
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CN prices fluctuate depending on demand. DC off-hand was always on the expensive side because lots of people wanted them to equip to their stones. The main hand, I am actually surprised to see the price that high right now, and likewise the CW... they were about half that with the GWF one being expensive last time I was looking at them. And oh how the HR and SW have fallen.
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Why would you think the drop rates are skewed? A more reasonable possibility is simply DC is suddenly more popular. So if all drop rates are equal, a more popular class will have more demand for gear, therefore higher prices. Unless you somehow want Cryptic to adjust drops based on a classes popularity. I don't honestly see how you expect all prices for all gear to be equal. Especially as popular classes change like flavors of the month.
I'm 100% certain DC drops are skewed.
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Maybe the drops arent skewed, but I drop two TR boots in three runs, and my buddy drops a set of boots in 4 runs with his HR, and a set of boots on his first GF run, and it all seems pretty skewed to me, especially when I have bveen running with my DC for 4 days or more, 10+ kills a day, and never seen a set of boots, bones or anything but coins and rocks.
And its not just those few, I hear it all the time from guilds, zone chat and various other sources, when people want drops for their healers or tanks, it takes forever, not just longer fights, but MORE fights. Having to do the same dungeon for a DC or GF three times as many attempts to gear up as it takes a TR or CW to gear up. Alot of people have trouble gearing GF and DC because drops happen for other classes liek rain, and its a drought for their healers and tanks.
My guild leader got all draconic gear in the first 2 days of the the release on his TR and is STILL working on building his GF now that his DC is done, getting the bone from Vili about 2 weeks ago. Its not just 3 of us, I know of quite a few like me.
Lesser the supply, higher the demand=higher prices.
The problem isn't 'fewer drops' for DC players, the problem is there are a lot fewer DC players. Think about it: let's say that of all the players that get a drop only 10% decide to sell it in the AH. If there are 1000 HR then that's 100 HR versions, if there are 500 GWFs then there are 50 GWF versions. But if there are only 100 DCs, then that's only 10 DC versions.
If there are 100 copies of an item - more selling competition; price drops.
if there are only 10 copies of an item - lesser selling competition, same demand; price increases.
Hence it all comes down to supply and demand, but in this case based on the number of class players, rather than number of drops (well, obviously fewer players = fewer drops, but the odds are the same per player). In either case: the rarer the item, the higher price it commands.
I use AD to buy zen, not gear. I can gear up on my own, and dont use AD to do it, I use AD to by zen which buys me mounts and char slots, and just recently I bought the dragonborn race.
I'm not concerned about prices at all, I'm concerned about the drop rates, which happen to affect prices. In your example, the idea follows suit that if there are 1000 HR, there are 400 HR versions, if there are 500 GWFs, there are 125 GWF versions and if there are 100 DC, there are only 2 DC versions.
If you run a DC setup to do DPS you will get great success more often and in turn get more drops, my DC has no problem getting the draconic gear.
aside from a few times I get in late from having to ask for an invite, I never get less than great success. Prolly 1 in 5 fights I get a standard win, not great success. I use a dps setup for dragons, daunting light, divine glow and spam lance of faith with astral popped. Spam three divine lights, then an empowered one to do double dmg, and always end up with great success.
Still doesnt change how little I get drops, yet have literally went near afk and gotten a bone on my TR.
I ran the rothe valley dragon prolly 8 times on my TR and got his gloves, maybe 10, I lost track. I ran it over 25 times on my DC to get my gloves.
Yet my DC got her black ice gloves on the 1st or 2nd epic HE. Using your logic, the drop rate is too high.
Rng is rng. And there's never going to be anything that would ever make drop rates anything different than intended *cough* inferno nightmare *cough*.
Its luck to get your drops in the first few tries, its coincidence to get them all the time. Its rigged when you get lucky all the time except for one or two classes.
And yet when you're talking about T1 and T2 gear sets, that is purely based on your luck with the character you're playing with and nothing at all to do with class.
Just because the DD chest has a 10% chance to give you your set item doesn't mean it won't take 40-50 runes for the RNG gods to smile on you. Or you might get lucky the first time. That goes for any class.
My DC received her Miracle Healer pieces after a handful of runs, including the BoE gauntlets my guildies forced me to need-roll. My GWF got most of his Avatar set quickly but the helmet was a fair grind, definitely over 20 tries. My CW did FH enough times for boots that I practically went comatose in there.
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There is nothing to suggest what you said is true that is just your perceived interpretation based on a very small sample size but alas I see there is no reasoning with you, your just looking for someone to agree to help justify your skewed beliefs. Good luck with that.
Having said that computers can't calculate true randomness and the rng isn't perfect. But supply and demand has a lot more power. The number of DCs compared to other classes and how useful the set is to that class depends a greater deal. Personally I haven't really cared about any gear set since the modules started since they just don't interest me. If I was more interested in pvp, I'd care more about the black ice set, but meh, there's a lot of downsides to most of the new sets that make them overall inferior. That's not to say you're wrong for wanting the set your trying to get.
Gear that come from heroic encounters, there has been a noted difficulty for non-DPS classes to score "great success", which provides an increased (though they won't tell us how much) chance for getting the greatest rewards. It isn't that the drop rate is different once you qualify, but it is harder to qualify, or there's a trick to it. The system is not specifically designed to be bad for DCs (and GFs), but it has had that effect to a degree.
Gear from dungeons, it's all RNG and all classes have the same chances.
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