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Okay first off lets address the issue of binding RP. Its a huge mistake on your part to bind RP and I will explain why. Those accounts botting RP in foundries,Arcane Reservoir etc. Will continue to do so and use their buying power to mass produce enchants instead of selling the RP itself. Those enchants will be part of a rising cost on AH because you will have an RP starved player base. Those players that spend money because they lack time to grind RP all day will pay more for progression. This actually in the long run pays the spammers more for their effort.
I am not writing this post as an inflammatory post to poke you devs or mods with a stick. I am writing this because together with your player base we could one by one diminish the amount of bots in very little time. You would never be rid of them but collectively we could take giant bites out of these over seas operations and still leave the unbound items to allow a new player base to compete by buying RP if they lack the time to grind like a champ.
Phase 1: Introduce a possible reward,title or some other method of inspiration for your player base to hunt these accounts down for you knowing that its a huge task for you guys to find and expunge these players(botting accounts) by yourself. I was a mod and tester on a game that was rampant with cheaters and the player base and devs together eradicated in a combined and appreciated effort that mutually benefited the players and protects the company whos game it is from these dirty scumbags that are beyond prosecution in over seas areas making money off your game.
Here is how it would work. I am in Shanandar I see one of the many bots that are dressed in the same gear all farmers are that enters Arcane Reservoir doesn't complete the zone, pops out to saunter over to the vendor and then re-enters AR. Reported account then goes under review. Pvp the repeatative bot that jumps down from the same spot and doesnt attack or anything hoping that 4v5 his team gets him his bot glory. Reported and under review. AH the guys that post 30 stacks of peridots and rank 4 chants from the dragon RP enchants and Fey enchant that help the RP drop that they mass sell. Very easy to see on AH. Reported and under review. Suspend the account and therefore they have to either level again to reproduce the bot they need to exploit your game or they over time decide your security measure is too time consuming to make money on your game and move on to the next game thats going to make them money. Win,win.
The consequences of bound RP are as above mentioned that prices will rise on AH further alienating your new and or loyal paying customers and that bots will exploit enchants instead. That anyone starting the game will be too far behind to compete in pvp of pve. With no way of buying RP they will be starved for progression unless they are the grind master 5000 and believe me I ground a lot of RP and it got old fast. I lost interest in your game and thought of quitting.In the end the bots will win and your game will suffer non stop complaining about the good days when you could actually get somewhere in a reasonable amount of time on this game.
Losing a loyal paying customer is not something anyone wants. I run my own business and I would never do something to lose a customer if I could find another solution.I understand your frustration with this attack on your game and that your solution is somewhat effective but its at a price.But this is OUR game too. The one we chose above all others to spend our time and money to have fun.I hope the devs and the mods especially will respect this posts honest attempt at helping make this game fair and playable. And leave this post alone and let it remain an open topic so people can add to this post any suggestions that will help all of us find the right solution to this problem.
In advance ty for allowing me to at least post this for a possible topic.
I am not writing this post as an inflammatory post to poke you devs or mods with a stick. I am writing this because together with your player base we could one by one diminish the amount of bots in very little time. You would never be rid of them but collectively we could take giant bites out of these over seas operations and still leave the unbound items to allow a new player base to compete by buying RP if they lack the time to grind like a champ.
Phase 1: Introduce a possible reward,title or some other method of inspiration for your player base to hunt these accounts down for you knowing that its a huge task for you guys to find and expunge these players(botting accounts) by yourself. I was a mod and tester on a game that was rampant with cheaters and the player base and devs together eradicated in a combined and appreciated effort that mutually benefited the players and protects the company whos game it is from these dirty scumbags that are beyond prosecution in over seas areas making money off your game.
Here is how it would work. I am in Shanandar I see one of the many bots that are dressed in the same gear all farmers are that enters Arcane Reservoir doesn't complete the zone, pops out to saunter over to the vendor and then re-enters AR. Reported account then goes under review. Pvp the repeatative bot that jumps down from the same spot and doesnt attack or anything hoping that 4v5 his team gets him his bot glory. Reported and under review. AH the guys that post 30 stacks of peridots and rank 4 chants from the dragon RP enchants and Fey enchant that help the RP drop that they mass sell. Very easy to see on AH. Reported and under review. Suspend the account and therefore they have to either level again to reproduce the bot they need to exploit your game or they over time decide your security measure is too time consuming to make money on your game and move on to the next game thats going to make them money. Win,win.
The consequences of bound RP are as above mentioned that prices will rise on AH further alienating your new and or loyal paying customers and that bots will exploit enchants instead. That anyone starting the game will be too far behind to compete in pvp of pve. With no way of buying RP they will be starved for progression unless they are the grind master 5000 and believe me I ground a lot of RP and it got old fast. I lost interest in your game and thought of quitting.In the end the bots will win and your game will suffer non stop complaining about the good days when you could actually get somewhere in a reasonable amount of time on this game.
Losing a loyal paying customer is not something anyone wants. I run my own business and I would never do something to lose a customer if I could find another solution.I understand your frustration with this attack on your game and that your solution is somewhat effective but its at a price.But this is OUR game too. The one we chose above all others to spend our time and money to have fun.I hope the devs and the mods especially will respect this posts honest attempt at helping make this game fair and playable. And leave this post alone and let it remain an open topic so people can add to this post any suggestions that will help all of us find the right solution to this problem.
In advance ty for allowing me to at least post this for a possible topic.
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They should do random events that pop a few times a day.
Announce it in Zone "Bot hunting is up in Sharandar."
Then have a community manager in Sharandar Zone chat or LFG that switches instances and sees botters and flags em to have their logs reviewed and banned if they are bots. Give players the ability to mark suspected bots and then give out rewards to those who successfully mark the most bots. Anyone who marks a non bot as a bot gets no rewards.
Good idea +1.
I got a problem with this one I understand that people do farm and post these but my guild is trying to unlock our bank vaults you cant just give the guild Astro's so what we do is as we play the game we get drops we place them in the guild bank and when we get several stacks we have 1 person sell them and unlock the bank vault I'm sure other guilds do this to so how do you separate the bot farmers from the guilds who pull resources to advance the guild. Having your account suspended while they check bank records would suck because lets face it takes DAYS to get unbanned and we do more than unlock bank vaults we buy wards and make vorpals for the new people and soulforges and we used to buy keys and pass them out but now days it's more of enchantments and a mount every now and then but those take a very long time to get anyway you get my point not all multiple posts are bot farmers they are guilds pulling what little they can to help each other.
If the accounts went under review and had their logs checked, they would be found to not be bots and would be safe. You don't have to suspend the account before its found to be a bot.
It would definitely take a committment from the management and players to eradicate the bots, but its better than making the games best gear ungrindable or cost upwards of $500 a piece. Id spend some time helping to get rid of the bot plague if thats what it took.
I see the point of what you are saying.Being put under review for possible botting would lead to the investigation to see if you are a group effort to unlock said tabs or an unresponsive botting program that is exploiting players avenues of progression rather than doing what a guild needs to do to unlock tabs or any other communitive effort to help each other get an enchant or w/e. The flagging would be player side the review would be Cryptic Studios end of the bargain. And a few would use this as an opportunity to be mean spirited and try and ruin another players game experiance by reporting them.
But like I said I did this in another game and most of the responsible players used it to eradicate cheaters to an almost undetectable number except the players using lag switches. Which is hard to prove without video proof.Then I chose to use a recording program of my matches and nailed a few of the lag cheats also. We cleaned that game up in about 2 weeks.
You should put some spaces after a comma and full stop as well.
But I would certainly agree with anything to promote a better response from the company over this. I am sick to death of reporting bots for spam in Chat channels, but being able to right-click on a character and "Report as Bot" might help.
As long as there are safeguards that genuine players who happen to grind obsessively for hours at a time do not get confused with bots.
And if people abused it to harass genuine players, they'd get banned for a week or something.
Whenever they are dancing around the mail box by the Guild Bank in PE, just down from Sgt Knox, if I am transferring stuff between characters in the mail, my screen often freezes. At least, until I stopped using that mail box. I had to Task Manager out to close down the game several times. And this was a while back, nothing to do with all the "Server Has Stopped Responding" errors over this last weekend.
I do not know if a program can actually get into your account and clean out your mail like that, but I am not taking the risk; precisely because I do NOT know if it is possible or not.
It NEVER happened with any of the other mail boxes. Just that one by the Guild Banker, and only when there were TR bots dancing around.
Coincidence?
I'd like to have been able to report them as Bots as they were quite irritating.
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I respectfully disagree. I have as I said worked with devs in another game with the exact same problems as they are having and we wiped out the majority of cheats in 2 weeks.I can honestly say that some players do care enough to help do this without any reward for doing so just to insure that the game is free of accounts that will restrict the game play as we know it. Nothing will ever get rid of the bot to earn in games problem but if you do actively have the option to mark bots then over time they dwindle in numbers because they can bot a less secure game and make money.
Nope they wont stop because now they can exploit the bot RP into enchants and because they already have millions of AD to work with it will turn into lesser to perfect enchants at an outrageous price.
that would at least confine them to the foundry and keep them out of the regular game, or just work on away to limit the foundry so that the enchantments don't work in the foundry then problem solved.
from what I have seen most of these bots are on auto pilot and avoid having to fight in the regular game, this way if they did use bots they would have to at least be at the computer like the rest of us, and when they get tired would have to shut down like we do instead of going to sleep and waking up a millionaire.
No doubt. The paying customer is the collateral damage. Instead of doing things the right way (working hard to identify and remove botters/sellers, correcting overpriced items on market, overhauling the refining system), Cryptic looks, once again, for the easy fix.
Not to mention the new legendary gear being dropped in Mod 5..... So old players will pay out the nose for lock boxes that provide things that can be sold at an alarmingly depreciated value to get the AD needed. So send them into the arms of Gold spammers why don't we. I agree if a drop rate for more RP was upped it may solve a little of the problem but you still have these bots allowed to RP high end chants to sell to People that didn't deserve the hike in economy to begin with.I know the solution is to ban accounts and how extensive the work is on their part to do it. They chose to take an easy way out. It wont cure the problem just allow the bots to adjust to make that AD into cash.
Problem with this stuff is that there is a very easy way to stop it. It costs money, and that's the problem. If the company spends the money to hire the manpower to do the job, this would not be an issue.
Bots have one thing in common, they are not run by people. The difference between a bot and a farmer is the Code of Conduct, farming is not a violation, unattended bot-ing is.
To find gold sellers and ban them, spend money. The accounts attached to the gold sellers that collect the money, and pass it to 2nd accounts that sell it, without any recompense for the gold, are just as guilty as the one that sold the gold. Company employee's hired to track down and eliminate cheaters should be in the position to do whatever it takes to find and ban cheats, which is what farming to supply a gold seller is. From logs, you can track every aspect of this game, identify entire groups of gold sellers, and in one fell swoop, ban every last one of them.
Just hire the manpower to get the job done.
Well put. Removing bots completely from games is NEVER in the best interest of any f2p mmo business, its only in the best interest of the player. Why would the house stack the deck in the players favour? They want select people to get BiS gear through bots and exploits, then they effectively remove those methods (i.e. BoA RP)... making honest people pay large sums of money to keep up with the joneses to compete. Its pretty basic business practices that you learn in university economics and business.
Since Cryptic is unwilling to invest the time/money to fight gold spammers it is up to the customers.
It is entirely too cost effective for “gold selling” sites to spam-advertise within the game environments own chat channels, friend invitations, in-game mail, etc. They can often create accounts, and have those accounts spew spam all over the online game automatically or with extremely simple to use tools that take no time at all for them.
Imagine if that were different. Imagine if every time one of their spam-bots advertised, they received hundreds or thousands of e-mails requesting they halt their in-game spamming tactics.
Now you, and your thousands of closest online friends can do just that. Spam reflector can send an e-mail request to halt their practices and all it takes is for you to press a single key anytime you see one of their in-game spam messages.
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Imagine if people simply didn't buy gold or Astral Diamonds from 3rd party sites...
Here's the thing about all of these bound-RP-negatively-effecting-the-economy posts- THE ECONOMY IS ALREADY NEGATIVELY AFFECTED. I watched the price of Black Opals go from over 1 mil per stack of 99 down to 400k. What seemed like a legitimate way to make AD was ruined fairly quick. I can think of about 5 different dungeons in this game currently that payout an enormous amount of peridots and aquamarines from skills nodes, not to mention enchants, considering the time it takes to farm them.
Why would Cryptic want to make RP bound? Simple. Don't have time to farm? Spend money on the Zen market to buy RP. Enough said. Grind or pay to get ahead- that's the name of the game, people. Always has been.
You REALLY want to stop botters? Instead of targeting botters specifically, target WHERE and HOW they bot. Dungeons like the Reservoir that are being botted, well- you can't continuously bot a dungeon if you can't get back into it once you leave it. Go by the "three strikes and you're out" rule. Sometimes, people need to legitimately abort/leave dungeons. They should NEVER have to do that legitimately more than 3 times. Set a daily abandonment limit of 3 times and, if that is not enough, have the players contact a GM for exceptions. Problem solved. Want to solve the foundry botting problem? Well, you can't, not without hurting legitimate farmers. There's really no way to distinguish when someone's botting a foundry or not unless they're in your guild, on your friend list, or being actively monitored. You can't flag people by time spent or how many times they accept the same quest because people could legitimately do that. The only ways to prevent foundry botting are going to be unfavourable to the legitimate-farming community: Remove RP/enchant drops altogether from the foundry or make the Fey/Dragon enchant drops bound. Bound RP is the only reasonable way to fix that, and I'm in favour of it. Let the botters use their RP to refine enchants. They still need to upgrade everything, so it's going to cost them. Eventually, once they drive the price of enchants so low, profit won't be worth the cost of upgrading anything. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have rank 10s and Vorpals for 500k than peridots for 15k. Why worry about refining your own stuff when you could just buy it for super cheap?
Whether you like it or not, binding RP is the ONLY way to fix the foundry problem. I think it's time you reconsider what is more important to you.