You can do all PvE with eyes closed at 16K GS, unlike PvP.
You have a squish PvE GWF that probably has inadequate PvP gear and spec. Of course you get one shot by people.
Get BiS GWF Senti and 1vs1 BiS CWs, return and let me know if they scratched you through Unstoppable and even off it.
IK can't even one-shot other CWs lol.
i concur about Ice Knife. Granted, it used to 1 shot. But its been weakened so much now. I get that Ice Knife and Shocking Execution were brutal, but now no one wants to use either... hits like a pillow, and that's not cool.
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
You should have picked the right class for pvp. Wizard has pretty much always been the wrong class. Like it would be nice if we had anything approaching balance but that hasn't ever been remotely true in the game. Balanced pvp is for real games. What's funny is the people who think its fair or competitive. That's a good laugh.
Oh and for what its worth shard was only good for people living in north america. Try with the delay on it from Europe or I guess anywhere else that isn't close to the one asthmatic server they have and its not going to anyone you intended to. Unless it just bugs and sits unmoving. In pve it was fine whatever. Spawn and push no big deal.
I have an HR too, at the start of the module the HR had better gear and race than the CW. I still chose to gear up my CW, because I always play Mages, and they are JUST FINE in other games.
Shard on Mastery was playable from Europe too, at least for me at 200-300 ping. Actually, the best shard CW in the game played from Brazil (I think) with 400-500+ ping.
i concur about Ice Knife. Granted, it used to 1 shot. But its been weakened so much now. I get that Ice Knife and Shocking Execution were brutal, but now no one wants to use either... hits like a pillow, and that's not cool.
IK hits relatively hard, but it's quite difficult to land. For example, against geared player with potions etc., IK usually hits for 4-15K non crit, with most occurrences around 6-8K. This is quite low against an 40-60K HP pool.
If you have Perfect Vorpal and IK crits, it will hit for 13-25K, with most hits around the 16-17K area. Still quite low.
It also cannot be discounted that it prones and ads Chill Stacks, so usually you will freeze the person that got hit immediately after.
These numbers would be just fine, if other classes would not hit more than that with just procs
Overall, Oppressive Force is usually a better choice, because dodging it is so much harder, it hits semidecently (up to 9-10K when it crits...), and you can CC people from that daze.
A huge problem for CW DPS is the Deflect stat. If you're unlucky, you will hit for almost nothing because of it, and there is nothing you can do.
You can do all PvE with eyes closed at 16K GS, unlike PvP.
Even if you were right (and you're not), you realize that not everyone who does PVE is 16k, right? What about the 10k and 12k GWFs (or HRs or whatever) who are just gearing up?
You have a squish PvE GWF that probably has inadequate PvP gear and spec. Of course you get one shot by people.
Get BiS GWF Senti and 1vs1 BiS CWs, return and let me know if they scratched you through Unstoppable and even off it.
IK can't even one-shot other CWs lol.
Actually my GWF is a Sent with a little over 30k HP. Of course it has bad gear, it's only 13k. But it isn't some super-squishy Destro with 20k HP.
And incidentally, PVP exists not just for the BIS crowd. It exists also for the 10k-15k crowd as well. I"m telling you, if you want actual fun in PVP, then you have to play in the "page 800 of the leaderboard" bracket. The matches there are actually mostly balanced and only occasionally do you play against the 20k monsters.
And yes my GWF did get one-shot by an Ice Knife. He had about 4/5ths health or so, I had just activated unstoppable, and - boom - dead.
Even if you were right (and you're not), you realize that not everyone who does PVE is 16k, right? What about the 10k and 12k GWFs (or HRs or whatever) who are just gearing up?
Actually my GWF is a Sent with a little over 30k HP. Of course it has bad gear, it's only 13k. But it isn't some super-squishy Destro with 20k HP.
And incidentally, PVP exists not just for the BIS crowd. It exists also for the 10k-15k crowd as well. I"m telling you, if you want actual fun in PVP, then you have to play in the "page 800 of the leaderboard" bracket. The matches there are actually mostly balanced and only occasionally do you play against the 20k monsters.
And yes my GWF did get one-shot by an Ice Knife. He had about 4/5ths health or so, I had just activated unstoppable, and - boom - dead.
You are a PVE player.
Literally whatever you say is irrelevant about PVP. You have no experience there.
You know nothing what you're talking about.
"page 800 balanced". It isn't balanced anywhere.
Also, he IS right. the PVE in this game is the easiest I've ever played in my entire gaming time.
I didn't say I was a pro PVPer. I'm not. This GWF is literally just an alt that I used to get the GWF artifact. I will mess around with him in PVP occasionally just to see what it is like. 13k GS and 30k HP is perfectly adequate for the matches being played between those at ca. page 800 of the leaderboard.
I was surprised to see how balanced the PVP matchmaking was at my GWFs level, which obviously is very very far from BIS. Based on the cryings on the forum, I expected every match to be against 20k BIS premades. But it wasn't. Of the 20 or so times that my GWF has queued for a domination match, only 2 were against top-end players, which my team of course lost badly. The rest of the time, the matches were fairly competitive. OF COURSE my GWF has something like a 10/90 kill/death ratio. I don't expect anything better than that. But in terms of matchmaking, there were very few total blowouts.
The only real imbalance seems to be at the high end. Which is probably why the devs don't spend a lot of time fretting about it. Because, in case you didn't realize, there are more PVPers who aren't BIS, than those who are.
4500 defence, 60k hp, 35% dr unstoppable and 40% deflect isnt enough? god i would give up stealth for that...
without shift? a gwf/sw can sprint for 10 sec and refill stamina every 13 sec 2 times in a row for additional 50% DR and cc immunity
Just wanted to clear the so much wrongness in your post. You obviously never touched the gwf class.
First: 4500 def is over hard cap. Used for steely defense feat to get power. For defense, those 1500 points above 3k account for a 3-4% dr increase at best.
Secondo: it's 15-30% on destroyers and insti. Higher only on sentinel.
Third: stamina refill is for destro with feated Bf. Not sentinel intimidation build. Also, a destro slotting Bf loses 1 offensive encounter. Sentinel tanks don't have Bf, the one in video used fls-DS-cagi. You might go hybrid but you'd lose still capstone for senti (which means no feated unstoppable) or destro which means you're not a full tank sentinel anymore.
This said, intimidation is just as HAMSTER as permatealth, piercing blade, glyphs and any other cheesy mechanic devs introduced in this game. I want it gone, but along with the rest of the bullcrap. Tired of cheesy broken easy-mode stuff...
This GWF is literally just an alt that I used to get the GWF artifact. I will mess around with him in PVP occasionally just to see what it is like. 13k GS and 30k HP is perfectly adequate for the matches being played between those at ca. page 800 of the leaderboard.
Classes need specific gear to fulfill their potential. From the top of my head, your GWF would need at least full Purified set and Tenacity rings set, since it would be impossible to make Intimidation hit hard at 13K GS. Since you're a PvE player you probably miss Tenacity gear completely or have very little of it, so you will get hit real hard.
Even a squish class such as the CW plays with 40-50K HP and 20-23% Tenacity or so.
Did I mention the epic Spellplague/Dread Vault nostalgia runs my guild did at 8-10K GS, no artifacts, just tier 1 gear and lesser enchantment, no companions, rainbow party comp?
Was a walk in the park, we barely used potions.
PvE is SIMPLE, EASY, RUDIMENTARY, UNSOPHISTICATED.
I don't want Intimidation build gone. I enjoy harassing opponents who keep hugging each other instead of dispersing. However, Intimidation should have a cap for base damage and not like now when ppl can stack 15k power and 1 shot everything because they can.
Summary for the suggestion: edit the feat to deal damage 50%-60%*FeatRank*WeaponDamage instead of 50%/35% power. In this way we would have a max of 2628-3153 base damage for intimidation with a legendary artifact weapon.
When CW feat assaliant in first week of mod4 could ignore all tenacity, resists deflect and def. everyone was crying, but now when you can easy kill CW it is everything ok right?;] tank and GWF can 1 shot CW, HR eats you with only DoTs.
PS. someone wrote- pvp 1 vs 1 can not be balanced, maby true but...one shot another class? Where is balance here?
When CW feat assaliant in first week of mod4 could ignore all tenacity, resists deflect and def. everyone was crying, but now when you can easy kill CW it is everything ok right?;] tank and GWF can 1 shot CW, HR eats you with only DoTs.
PS. someone wrote- pvp 1 vs 1 can not be balanced, maby true but...one shot another class? Where is balance here?
In other MMOs the balance is something like: ranged > tank > dps > ranged. Not necessarily in that order. But like I explained before, the problem with neverwinter is that we have dps tanks, ranged tanks, ranged dps and dps ranged tanks. It's insane.
Classes need specific gear to fulfill their potential. From the top of my head, your GWF would need at least full Purified set and Tenacity rings set, since it would be impossible to make Intimidation hit hard at 13K GS. Since you're a PvE player you probably miss Tenacity gear completely or have very little of it, so you will get hit real hard.
Oh I know. But I don't care. I am not going to invest so much energy as to get Black Ice gear for my GWF for something that I care so little about such as PVP. And before you say "but you are just letting your team down by going into a match so undergeared!!!", the answer is - not really, because I play in the "page-800-of-the-leaderboard" bracket where everyone else is similarly "undergeared". Which is totally fine with me. It's only about 1 match in 20 where I actually play top-end PVPers and in those, yeah I will get one-shot by Intimidation and Ice Knife. But that's fine. The other 19 matches are more enjoyable.
The point is that if you want balance, you should play in the lowbie PVP bracket. It's actually more fun there.
Even a squish class such as the CW plays with 40-50K HP and 20-23% Tenacity or so.
Last match I was in, I think there was a CW with 22k HP and he ended up having a positive kill/death ratio. Don't recall what his tenacity score was though.
Did I mention the epic Spellplague/Dread Vault nostalgia runs my guild did at 8-10K GS, no artifacts, just tier 1 gear and lesser enchantment, no companions, rainbow party comp?
Was a walk in the park, we barely used potions.
PvE is SIMPLE, EASY, RUDIMENTARY, UNSOPHISTICATED.
Well bully for you. PVE is still preferable to playing against the exploiting griefing d-bags who infest high-level PVP.
Oh I know. But I don't care. I am not going to invest so much energy as to get Black Ice gear for my GWF for something that I care so little about such as PVP.
Problem with being undergeared is that you are put together with players with 20K GS. I for example play with 4-10K GS people pretty much everyday. They die in a hit and make for an extremely frustrating experience because I lose the game, but it is what it is. This is why many of my topics are suggesting to make gear easier to obtain. I want everyone to be geared at a level where they can compete with/against BiS.
As for me playing in the lowby bracket, why? I like to play premade vs premade, where I know my team-mates and I know I can count on them. I cannot stand people acting stupidly in PvP like fighting 4 vs a permaTR or following me for easy caps.
And I am not a pure PvP player. I came here to PvE when I saw a streamer that I used to watch having an epic 45 minutes fight against Yshiggol. I only started PvPing because PvE had nothing to offer anymore. I like both aspects of the game, but riht now, both are in deep trouble, with PvE being mostly dailies and PvP being same old 2 maps populated by OP, out of control specs.
Its really not in a good place is it. PvE and PvP are both a joke and more often than not feel exploitative. Do you hour of dailies for a month or pay, pay or get auto wrecked by some smug ******.
Problem with being undergeared is that you are put together with players with 20K GS. I for example play with 4-10K GS people pretty much everyday. They die in a hit and make for an extremely frustrating experience because I lose the game, but it is what it is. This is why many of my topics are suggesting to make gear easier to obtain. I want everyone to be geared at a level where they can compete with/against BiS.
As for me playing in the lowby bracket, why? I like to play premade vs premade, where I know my team-mates and I know I can count on them. I cannot stand people acting stupidly in PvP like fighting 4 vs a permaTR or following me for easy caps.
And I am not a pure PvP player. I came here to PvE when I saw a streamer that I used to watch having an epic 45 minutes fight against Yshiggol. I only started PvPing because PvE had nothing to offer anymore. I like both aspects of the game, but riht now, both are in deep trouble, with PvE being mostly dailies and PvP being same old 2 maps populated by OP, out of control specs.
Well you only see the "OP out of control specs" if you do high-end PVP. I don't think my GWF has yet been placed on a team with anyone over 16k.
Don't be frustrated. Just don't take PVP seriously. There's no reason to. We should do a premade sometime. Look me up, Enzian@pointsman
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i concur about Ice Knife. Granted, it used to 1 shot. But its been weakened so much now. I get that Ice Knife and Shocking Execution were brutal, but now no one wants to use either... hits like a pillow, and that's not cool.
Shard on Mastery was playable from Europe too, at least for me at 200-300 ping. Actually, the best shard CW in the game played from Brazil (I think) with 400-500+ ping.
IK hits relatively hard, but it's quite difficult to land. For example, against geared player with potions etc., IK usually hits for 4-15K non crit, with most occurrences around 6-8K. This is quite low against an 40-60K HP pool.
If you have Perfect Vorpal and IK crits, it will hit for 13-25K, with most hits around the 16-17K area. Still quite low.
It also cannot be discounted that it prones and ads Chill Stacks, so usually you will freeze the person that got hit immediately after.
These numbers would be just fine, if other classes would not hit more than that with just procs
Overall, Oppressive Force is usually a better choice, because dodging it is so much harder, it hits semidecently (up to 9-10K when it crits...), and you can CC people from that daze.
A huge problem for CW DPS is the Deflect stat. If you're unlucky, you will hit for almost nothing because of it, and there is nothing you can do.
Even if you were right (and you're not), you realize that not everyone who does PVE is 16k, right? What about the 10k and 12k GWFs (or HRs or whatever) who are just gearing up?
Actually my GWF is a Sent with a little over 30k HP. Of course it has bad gear, it's only 13k. But it isn't some super-squishy Destro with 20k HP.
And incidentally, PVP exists not just for the BIS crowd. It exists also for the 10k-15k crowd as well. I"m telling you, if you want actual fun in PVP, then you have to play in the "page 800 of the leaderboard" bracket. The matches there are actually mostly balanced and only occasionally do you play against the 20k monsters.
And yes my GWF did get one-shot by an Ice Knife. He had about 4/5ths health or so, I had just activated unstoppable, and - boom - dead.
You are a PVE player.
Literally whatever you say is irrelevant about PVP. You have no experience there.
You know nothing what you're talking about.
"page 800 balanced". It isn't balanced anywhere.
Also, he IS right. the PVE in this game is the easiest I've ever played in my entire gaming time.
PS: Nuff said at the red part.
I was surprised to see how balanced the PVP matchmaking was at my GWFs level, which obviously is very very far from BIS. Based on the cryings on the forum, I expected every match to be against 20k BIS premades. But it wasn't. Of the 20 or so times that my GWF has queued for a domination match, only 2 were against top-end players, which my team of course lost badly. The rest of the time, the matches were fairly competitive. OF COURSE my GWF has something like a 10/90 kill/death ratio. I don't expect anything better than that. But in terms of matchmaking, there were very few total blowouts.
The only real imbalance seems to be at the high end. Which is probably why the devs don't spend a lot of time fretting about it. Because, in case you didn't realize, there are more PVPers who aren't BIS, than those who are.
My GWF doesn't have very many boons. Only a couple. And Rank 5's and 6's I think.
Just wanted to clear the so much wrongness in your post. You obviously never touched the gwf class.
First: 4500 def is over hard cap. Used for steely defense feat to get power. For defense, those 1500 points above 3k account for a 3-4% dr increase at best.
Secondo: it's 15-30% on destroyers and insti. Higher only on sentinel.
Third: stamina refill is for destro with feated Bf. Not sentinel intimidation build. Also, a destro slotting Bf loses 1 offensive encounter. Sentinel tanks don't have Bf, the one in video used fls-DS-cagi. You might go hybrid but you'd lose still capstone for senti (which means no feated unstoppable) or destro which means you're not a full tank sentinel anymore.
This said, intimidation is just as HAMSTER as permatealth, piercing blade, glyphs and any other cheesy mechanic devs introduced in this game. I want it gone, but along with the rest of the bullcrap. Tired of cheesy broken easy-mode stuff...
Could not be more wrong. Oh but you're a CW.
Classes need specific gear to fulfill their potential. From the top of my head, your GWF would need at least full Purified set and Tenacity rings set, since it would be impossible to make Intimidation hit hard at 13K GS. Since you're a PvE player you probably miss Tenacity gear completely or have very little of it, so you will get hit real hard.
Even a squish class such as the CW plays with 40-50K HP and 20-23% Tenacity or so.
I can do just the same on my PvP spec HR.
Did I mention the epic Spellplague/Dread Vault nostalgia runs my guild did at 8-10K GS, no artifacts, just tier 1 gear and lesser enchantment, no companions, rainbow party comp?
Was a walk in the park, we barely used potions.
PvE is SIMPLE, EASY, RUDIMENTARY, UNSOPHISTICATED.
Better get used to it. Not that Ice knife is such a good daily, it does not OS many classes. But it does OS the gwfs.
Please check my suggestion: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?783551-Easy-fix-for-Intimidation
Summary for the suggestion: edit the feat to deal damage 50%-60%*FeatRank*WeaponDamage instead of 50%/35% power. In this way we would have a max of 2628-3153 base damage for intimidation with a legendary artifact weapon.
PS. someone wrote- pvp 1 vs 1 can not be balanced, maby true but...one shot another class? Where is balance here?
In other MMOs the balance is something like: ranged > tank > dps > ranged. Not necessarily in that order. But like I explained before, the problem with neverwinter is that we have dps tanks, ranged tanks, ranged dps and dps ranged tanks. It's insane.
Oh I know. But I don't care. I am not going to invest so much energy as to get Black Ice gear for my GWF for something that I care so little about such as PVP. And before you say "but you are just letting your team down by going into a match so undergeared!!!", the answer is - not really, because I play in the "page-800-of-the-leaderboard" bracket where everyone else is similarly "undergeared". Which is totally fine with me. It's only about 1 match in 20 where I actually play top-end PVPers and in those, yeah I will get one-shot by Intimidation and Ice Knife. But that's fine. The other 19 matches are more enjoyable.
The point is that if you want balance, you should play in the lowbie PVP bracket. It's actually more fun there.
Last match I was in, I think there was a CW with 22k HP and he ended up having a positive kill/death ratio. Don't recall what his tenacity score was though.
Well bully for you. PVE is still preferable to playing against the exploiting griefing d-bags who infest high-level PVP.
Problem with being undergeared is that you are put together with players with 20K GS. I for example play with 4-10K GS people pretty much everyday. They die in a hit and make for an extremely frustrating experience because I lose the game, but it is what it is. This is why many of my topics are suggesting to make gear easier to obtain. I want everyone to be geared at a level where they can compete with/against BiS.
As for me playing in the lowby bracket, why? I like to play premade vs premade, where I know my team-mates and I know I can count on them. I cannot stand people acting stupidly in PvP like fighting 4 vs a permaTR or following me for easy caps.
And I am not a pure PvP player. I came here to PvE when I saw a streamer that I used to watch having an epic 45 minutes fight against Yshiggol. I only started PvPing because PvE had nothing to offer anymore. I like both aspects of the game, but riht now, both are in deep trouble, with PvE being mostly dailies and PvP being same old 2 maps populated by OP, out of control specs.
Well you only see the "OP out of control specs" if you do high-end PVP. I don't think my GWF has yet been placed on a team with anyone over 16k.
Don't be frustrated. Just don't take PVP seriously. There's no reason to. We should do a premade sometime.