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cvk777
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by making a GS based matching system with a checkup on your GS if it changed before and after you enter arena and by disallowing gear change when inside arena (to prevent undergearing just for the queue). It will fix the issue with 6k GS ppl fighting 20k pvp geared ppl and whining after on forums that other classes are too OP. It will fix the "ok, no way we can do anything, lets stay at campfire" attitude which actually sux for both teams.
If we would start from there, then any class balancing could make any sense. Right now its just random changes which HAMSTER off evryone they concern. It would discourage going to arena in precomposed OP party because of high probabilty that you would need to wait long for queue to pop up and in the end you will meet same GS opponents as you are.
I would suggest GS lvls: lvl60-8kGS, 8k-12k, 12k-15k, 15k-18k, 18k-20k, 20k+
If we would start from there, then any class balancing could make any sense. Right now its just random changes which HAMSTER off evryone they concern. It would discourage going to arena in precomposed OP party because of high probabilty that you would need to wait long for queue to pop up and in the end you will meet same GS opponents as you are.
I would suggest GS lvls: lvl60-8kGS, 8k-12k, 12k-15k, 15k-18k, 18k-20k, 20k+
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if u weak.. go play and make your way up.. i like the pvp.. just think need more maps and diferent batlles... ( capture the flag)...
if they implement your idea;; i stoped play months ago.. becouse dont need to up my gear
i'm pvp player.. dont care about pve..
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this is an interesting idea
you won't believe how many 17ks are afraid to take on a 14k TR.
pay2 win or pay2getcarried?
I see no reason not to have arena FFA - where u can bring all the GS in the world against 6k niblingz, but there should be allso alternative queue for GS based matches.
Actually, that is a great idea.
I have seen 16k players play like absolute idiots, dying to players that have as much as 4k less GS. I've watched three 14k idiots try and fight the TR at our home node. GS does not necessarily mean you know what is going on in PVP.
see this is the problem
you should be able to enjoy pvp in a game for those who haven't relied on american express for character development.
i.e. they put gs requirements on dungeons why not put it on pvp but in levels of pvp brackets.
5-10k = T1 PvP Bracket
11-15k= T2 PvP Bracket
16+=T2.5 PvP Bracket
Its soo frustrating fighting a premade of 16k+ when I have 4 5-11k gs on my team. I can't 5v1 a win.
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Are there enough pvp-ers for that?
As I see it, they currently do have an algorithm for the pvp queue. It's not random. For some reason this algorithm creates matchups which, 95% of the time, are unbalanced. Even when it's PUG vs PUG, the created matchup is always unbalanced. The obvious suggestion would be to just desactivate any kind of algorithm and to queue people as they come.
I can get behind this. I've randomed some very frustratingly low GS teams that pretty much gave up (even against a low GS team that knew what they were doing).
I've also randomed a team with 1 21k against mostly <10k and yes, it was a slaughterfest.
The best game I've had recently was actually a scattered mix within ~ 2k of me on either side (13k att). Everyone knew what they were doing, had good strategy and competition, and no one had the massive advantage of GS.
So, I think there needs to be a modicum of both. I think Ravenam's idea will end up filtering like the ideal, as most of the BiSers will rapidly advance to the top tier, but there's no guarantee.
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I dont know if there are enought pvp-ers for that, but im am sure there would be. Right now most ppl I know hate pvp and dont attend, because most of the time you get lowbies against high GS pt. And as i said and will repeat. Offering an arena with GS based matches, doesnt imply removing FFA arena. At worse case scenario one of these 2, GS based and the current one would be empty.. but I realy doubt that would be the case.
CWs are still VERY strong in PvP.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
think of the potential match ups between 10k 60s against 30 or 40k 60s
but instead of waiting, it put on the first party there is
(looking how strong the first gaunt delzons are, I have a feeling this elo system give priority to the strongest players to join first...)
the problem is that if you are weak you can do nothing, not even move (so you end up waiting near the camp fire)
and so far its just getting worse
logically, this seems to be how the current matchmaking system is set up. and it is a much better system than trying to match by gear score because gear score is not as static as elo ratings. people could easily game the system with GS matchmaking. and as it's been said by the devs, the numbers don't lie: gear score is not the great divider in pvp. it's just not.
Regardless of all the explanations, one thing remains true:
Newbies at 10K GS should NEVER, EVER encounter veterans at 20K GS.
It's a horrible experience, especially for the low GS players.
This needs to be dealt with. I know for a fact it is possible, from playing other MMOs with a fully functional ELO system that never generated such complaints.
My signature contains a viable and proven to be working way to deal with most PvP-related complaints in these forums.
not really. all they have to do is have a saved record of a person's highest gear-score and only count that for queuing. that way nobody could ever go down a gear-score bracket.
and gear-score is a great divider. i have died in 1 second by a 20k hunter in melee stance (not aimed shot) and other 20k+ hunters who could solo an entire team by themselves while their 4 team-mates sit and relax somewhere. my 9-10k wizard fought a 16k wizard and died from only 2 encounter spells while i only scratched half of their hp.
those are gaps that skill can never make up for. the game is decided by whoever has more geared, undying, or simply overpowered players.
so, in the future, when we have a possible 50k GS (exaggeration, but bare with the point)
and you still have people coming into level 60 pvp at 10k, or 11 or 12k
it's going to be "much better" to have matches between these two hugely gapped players?
what?
GS DOES play a role....granted, skill will help the lower GS, but the current burst damage and time to kill is so insanely quick....the gear/enchants DO play a role in your chances against another player, before you even begin to fight them....also, just lock equipment change when you queue for pvp, simple, done
you are predetermined to lose against them (as a 12k HR, i have zero chance against a 20k anything, unless it's a really crappy player), unless you have super high "skill" and they don't know how to play their class at all
but, the truly sad part about your post is, what i gather, "deal with it"?
^^ this, a million times this, this should NEVER happen
This makes the absolute most sense in terms of an easy fix to pvp.
Thank you.
I will repat again - we dont ask Devs to replace current matching system, we ask for an alternative GS basesd arena. Plz, plz, plz.
Its true GS is not everything but it is a HUGE part of the problem. Sure the numbers may show that some games teams with a lower GS win matches but what are the statistics that you mention? Is it a base of total team GS vs team GS? Individual stats you are looking at? There are so many other factors that go into as well such as classes in the game. Some classes can compete better at 15k-16k GS than others can at 20k GS, that could be skewing the statistics. Even if all games are broken down into GS brackets there will be one sided games but there should be less of them and it will also bring proper class balance issues into view.
TBH im not sure the current system is even working. I just played a pvp match where my 20k GWF got placed onto a 4 man premade of all 20k+ players and we went up against a team that was comprised of 12k-15k GS players. Likewise Ive gone up against premade teams of 20k+ and had team mates 10k gs and below. Their is no way these newbies have the same elo as these 20k premade players. So the way I see it the system is either broken or not working.
The system actually works as designed. It's just badly designed though
This is what approximately happens, as an example:
- 3 20K GS, page 1-5 players queue together
- you queue up solo, system puts you in their party, same goes for some another 15K gs dude
- system makes checks to find/put together a party at approximate same ELO average
- system tries, and tries, and it cannot find any high enough ELO players to put in the other party. They are either in another game, either not in queue, or not even online
- after 2-3 minutes, the system gives up and puts together a party with the best it can find in queue. At that moment, in the queue might be 50 players at 6-12k GS looking to complete their daily for the **** AD.
Result:
Your party at very high ELO average will fight pugs from the page 1000 with PvE gear, rank 5s and no PvP experience. It will be an experience so bad for them, they might never try PvP seriously and hate it forever.
Why did this happen?
- system gave up the search for better matchup very fast (below 5 mins). This is somewhat necessary as you get 30-40 mins queus otherwise and when this happened, the forums wee full of complaints.
- not nearly enough players doing PvP. You can count instances and players in PvP. It is about 1000, at all levels, 1-60.
Solution?
- Attract more player to PvP with a fair, non-fully gear based system
- improve matchmaking to be more strict
You seemed to have missed my point. The point is, that this system that they currently have in place, which is "working as designed" is not providing positive results to the players.