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last 2 boons for TOD?!?!?!?

dodgododgo Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 870 Arc User
edited November 2014 in PvE Discussion
really these things (the books) are 3 mil a piece on the ah and theres like 2 of them. rng gone mad!!!!!
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  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The last boon is really powerful, it should not be something easy to get.
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  • bajornorbertbajornorbert Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 272 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    The last boon is really powerful, it should not be something easy to get.

    Yes, but it should cost you the same as an artifact, which is more powerful, or be gated by a ridiculous amount of grinding.

    As of now you have 3 options to get them:
    1. Buy them from the AH for 5-6 million AD;
    2. Grind the campaign for 5 weeks, doing every available mission, to get the 200 scrolls & sigils required, and buy them from the vendor;
    3. Pray to the RNG gods, and farm SoT & LoL for the books. For LoL you also need to buy dungeon keys if you want to open at least 1 chest outside of DD, which will cost you ~500k/100 runs, and you most probably won't get a book in 300+ runs, at least i and many ppl i know haven't.

    Also, if you want the +5% crit severity, which i imagine most DPSers want, unless you already have an epic Dancing Blade and Erinyes, both of them are cheaper to get those than the books (Epic Dancing blade: 1.45m AD; Erinyes: 1.75m AD + 750k for another +5%;). That's +15% crit severity for less AD than the books cost you. Even if you have them both, it's still not worth spending a small fortune on such a small improvement.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    RNG is RNG.

    The awful thing about it is that you can't do a difficult dungeon to get those ingredients. They force you into playing an easy dungeon but with very very bad RNG in order to compensate for the lack of a challenge
  • pando83pando83 Member Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Or just farm dailies for a very long time and exchange the sigils for the books
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    pando83 wrote: »
    Or just farm dailies for a very long time and exchange the sigils for the books

    I would not wish that upon my worst enemies
  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    What about...putting the books into the zen store? ;)
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  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yea as a normal player you should think about just doing the dailies, takes under 3 weeks to get 1 book. If you have an alt you can use that one to get the other book at the same time. It's quite a chore though.

    I predict the prices will go down in about a week when the first people can buy them with dailies and decide to sell the book instead.
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  • bajornorbertbajornorbert Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 272 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    grimah wrote: »
    ...I predict the prices will go down in about a week when the first people can buy them with dailies and decide to sell the book instead.

    That's what i'm hoping for too, otherwise no 4th and 5th ToD boon for any of my toons.
  • nazghul22nazghul22 Member Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    The last boon is really powerful, it should not be something easy to get.

    Errr... which one? IMHO "better than nothing" is what comes to mind, not "really powerful"

    Dragon's Thirst Grants 3% increased Life Steal.
    Dragon's Revival Grants 10% Increased Incoming Healing.
    Dragon's Fury Grants 5% increased Critical Severity.
    Dragon's Grip Grants 10% increased Control Strength.
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  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    nazghul22 wrote: »
    Errr... which one? IMHO "better than nothing" is what comes to mind, not "really powerful"

    Dragon's Thirst Grants 3% increased Life Steal.
    Dragon's Revival Grants 10% Increased Incoming Healing.
    Dragon's Fury Grants 5% increased Critical Severity.
    Dragon's Grip Grants 10% increased Control Strength.

    5% crit severity and flat 3% lifesteal is not enough for you? Also 10% increased incoming healing is a bit OP too with some builds
  • eddharlaweddharlaw Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    i get 2 Haarl and 1 belts in normal SoT from the special chest, be patient and dont waste yours keys :p
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  • lazaroth666lazaroth666 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yes, but it should cost you the same as an artifact, which is more powerful, or be gated by a ridiculous amount of grinding.

    Also, if you want the +5% crit severity, which i imagine most DPSers want, unless you already have an epic Dancing Blade and Erinyes, both of them are cheaper to get those than the books (Epic Dancing blade: 1.45m AD; Erinyes: 1.75m AD + 750k for another +5%;). That's +15% crit severity for less AD than the books cost you. Even if you have them both, it's still not worth spending a small fortune on such a small improvement.

    Why do you have to choose when you can have them all, I just got my ToD final boon today, total 167% Crit Severity. :D
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  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Why do you have to choose when you can have them all, I just got my ToD final boon today, total 167% Crit Severity. :D

    I don't think most players are in the position to either be lucky enough to get both ingredients or rich enough to spend 5 million diamonds on 2 boons.

    I think that is a big problem when we are talking about boons
  • bajornorbertbajornorbert Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 272 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I don't think most players are in the position to either be lucky enough to get both ingredients or rich enough to spend 5 million diamonds on 2 boons.

    I think that is a big problem when we are talking about boons

    Even the ones that can afford it should still think about it. I would only buy the 2 boon books if i'd had nothing else to spend my AD on. Paying 2x the price of a campaign unlock for two boons is just insane.
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    grimah wrote: »
    Yea as a normal player you should think about just doing the dailies, takes under 3 weeks to get 1 book. If you have an alt you can use that one to get the other book at the same time. It's quite a chore though.

    I predict the prices will go down in about a week when the first people can buy them with dailies and decide to sell the book instead.

    Oh, I get it now. All of the whining and complaining about "being forced to kill 5 dragons a day" isn't really about getting the boon, it's about getting the book before everyone else and selling it on the AH for millions before an oversupply lowers prices. I get it now.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    Oh, I get it now. All of the whining and complaining about "being forced to kill 5 dragons a day" isn't really about getting the boon, it's about getting the book before everyone else and selling it on the AH for millions before an oversupply lowers prices. I get it now.

    Does this mean that you are now going to ignore all possible constructive criticism regarding how much of a timesink ToD is?
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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    Oh, I get it now. All of the whining and complaining about "being forced to kill 5 dragons a day" isn't really about getting the boon, it's about getting the book before everyone else and selling it on the AH for millions before an oversupply lowers prices. I get it now.

    Woah.. woah and woah.. NO!

    That is wrong, I want the boons, every module until this one allowed us to get it in no more then like 70-80 days give or take, now all of a sudden , you could literally play for a year and NEVER get them on a single toon, let alone 5-6 alts.

    That is unacceptable rate of failure.

    That is a unacceptable game design.
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Does this mean that you are now going to ignore all possible constructive criticism regarding how much of a timesink ToD is?

    No, I think there are many legitimate things to complain about. But "being forced to kill all 5 dragons every day" isn't one of them in my view. As the OP says (and I happen to agree), just progress through the campaign at your own rate.
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    5% crit severity and flat 3% lifesteal is not enough for you? Also 10% increased incoming healing is a bit OP too with some builds

    The crit severity is very nice for dps. The incoming healing would be my choice and great for classes like gf and hr. The control strength is ok for some classes but the life steal is bad :/

    the 4th boon should be as easy as the rest to get not require a special book but yes the last one shouldn't be as easy, I do think however that it shouldn't take this long and this much grinding :)
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  • gothashotgothashot Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I lost count a long time ago on how many SoT & LoL runs I've done....handful of dragon gems has been my best loot. 2 people in my guild got the belt of wisdom to drop from the boss in SoT. I've heard tale of many players who have done at least 500 runs of each and not once seen a book. Odds are most people will never even meet someone who got a book to drop. Being as lackluster as the final 2 boons are, I've stopped worrying about it. Grinding the same exact thing every day has sucked the life out of me. Just across a few alts the dailies have become far too much. This last module with the dragons and spending hours each day waiting on timers has pushed it over the edge. There is no challenge to any of the dungeons or other content to warrant grinding for all the boons or even best gear. Sadly, Neverwinter has become a chore instead of a game. I truly hope future installments add content that brings back the once enjoyable aspect of logging into Neverwinter.
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I don't think most players are in the position to either be lucky enough to get both ingredients or rich enough to spend 5 million diamonds on 2 boons.

    I think that is a big problem when we are talking about boons

    Well I have all boons as well, and my luck is as bad as anyone's, as about 200-250 SoT/LoL runs didn't see one single book drop.

    What you can do is run the campaign on 2+ chars and get different books, and then send the needed books to your main. Yes that means 10 zones/day...
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well I have all boons as well, and my luck is as bad as anyone's, as about 200-250 SoT/LoL runs didn't see one single book drop.

    What you can do is run the campaign on 2+ chars and get different books, and then send the needed books to your main. Yes that means 10 zones/day...

    So now that you have torn your hair out in frustration waiting on dragons *ten times a day*, you have all your boons, probably earlier than about 95% of the playerbase. Congratulations. Now what?
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    So now that you have torn your hair out in frustration waiting on dragons *ten times a day*, you have all your boons, probably earlier than about 95% of the playerbase. Congratulations. Now what?

    Well to be honest it was a HUGE pain in my dorsal. One of the most boring and lame grinds, no skill involved, no MMO player interactions/collaboration, just waiting and killing some oversized lizard in 20 seconds.. The good part was that I ran the game in a background window and worked in another, so I didn't lose lots of time.

    Now what?

    Well, do it again. For my HR. Or to sell the books. Don't know yet, but I will probably unlock the boons, because I love my HR, even though, sadly, I cannot gear her up to mod 4 standards, thanks to the artifact belt and weapon nightmare. Thanks for introducing those, Cryptic.
  • nazghul22nazghul22 Member Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    gothashot wrote: »
    500 runs of each and not once seen a book

    That makes no sense, even in a mod where Cryptic's motto was "reuse" and "buy time".
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  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well to be honest it was a HUGE pain in my dorsal. One of the most boring and lame grinds, no skill involved, no MMO player interactions/collaboration, just waiting and killing some oversized lizard in 20 seconds.. The good part was that I ran the game in a background window and worked in another, so I didn't lose lots of time.

    Now what?

    Well, do it again. For my HR. Or to sell the books. Don't know yet, but I will probably unlock the boons, because I love my HR, even though, sadly, I cannot gear her up to mod 4 standards, thanks to the artifact belt and weapon nightmare. Thanks for introducing those, Cryptic.

    So why rush through it at a doubly fast pace if you had no real need or plan on what to do once you got there?

    That is what I don't understand. People are complaining that they "must" kill 5 dragons per day (not really), and here magiquepurse has actually killed 10 dragons per day, in order to complete the boons. And to what end? So they can have their final boons before everyone else and then sit around bored in PE waiting for everyone else to catch up?

    Just take it slow. There is no rush.
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    magiquepurse has actually killed 10 dragons per day, in order to complete the boons. And to what end? So they can have their final boons before everyone else and then sit around bored in PE waiting for everyone else to catch up?

    I never sit in PE idling lol. I would PvP, but both my classes are broken, and even worse, glyphs/GF permadaily breaks PvP further more.

    So I do LoL, SoT and lately returned to CN doing some 2-mans.

    It's not my fault there are no raids in the game to keep me busy and the PvP is utterly broken.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    I never sit in PE idling lol. I would PvP, but both my classes are broken, and even worse, glyphs/GF permadaily breaks PvP further more.

    So I do LoL, SoT and lately returned to CN doing some 2-mans.

    It's not my fault there are no raids in the game to keep me busy and the PvP is utterly broken.

    Agreed on your sentiments.

    I mean, that response to you is very very close to "if you don't like it, quit".

    How about creating a discussion on how provide sustainable and repeatable endgame?

    Newsflash: Most people don't like doing dailies anyways so extending the grind so that you do less of it each day doesn't necessarily solve the root of the problem
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I never sit in PE idling lol. I would PvP, but both my classes are broken, and even worse, glyphs/GF permadaily breaks PvP further more.

    So I do LoL, SoT and lately returned to CN doing some 2-mans.

    It's not my fault there are no raids in the game to keep me busy and the PvP is utterly broken.

    But the point is, you *knew* all this when you started on your quest to kill 10 dragons per day so that you could get the final 2 boons super-fast. You *knew* there were no raids and, in your words, nothing to keep you busy.

    SO WHY RUSH THROUGH IT ANYWAY?

    It would be MORE justifiable if there WERE raids in this game because at least then you'd have a reason to put yourself through the hell associated with killing 10 dragons a day.

    But there aren't, and yet you did it anyway. I truly do not understand why you did what you did.

    And no, I'm not saying "if you don't like it leave". I think there is much to criticize about how the ToD campaign is structured. But you made it deliberately worse on yourself when you didn't have to, the purpose of which continues to elude me.
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    SO WHY RUSH THROUGH IT ANYWAY?

    Because it's a HORRIFIC grind.

    I am a person with principles, and live by them. One of them is "work first, fun after". So first the boons, then fun (i.e. PvP/group content).

    It would have been unrealistic to expect a raid or something, but I did expect a fix for glyphs/Storm Spell/Piercing Blades etc. while I was busy grinding boons.

    Well turns out I was wrong. PvP is even more broken, so I can't PvP. All that remains now of this game is some LoL/CN/GG runs and guild chatting.

    Also, I am a classic RPG player, since the times of Baldur's Gate series... and even before that. In these games, there's a thing called COMPLETIONIST. Now, I ain't one of those 100%. I won't grind something I dislike purely for a small title, or some cosmetic w/e, but the boons are integral part of my build.

    And I didn't rush through anything. The guys rushing through stuff bought the books from the AH. I didn't. I worked my HAMSTER for them.
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