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skyvalker64
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Hi,
So yesterday I queued for VT finally, after coming back from a long break and being able to craft VT key. I was vote kicked for "low GS". My GS was 11.2k and I am a DC.
So, how much is acceptable for VT?
So yesterday I queued for VT finally, after coming back from a long break and being able to craft VT key. I was vote kicked for "low GS". My GS was 11.2k and I am a DC.
So, how much is acceptable for VT?
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I'd suggest two things:
1) Go with people from nw_legit_community. They don't fret about GS, if it's enough to get in.
2) Your GS does sound a little low, and I am guessing that you haven't done a lot of t2.5. That being the case, I'd bet that your HP is way too low. In the Valindra fight, there's a lot of damage that you can't dodge, and just need to soak. Try to get your HP as high as you can, and have a bit of defense too. Try for at least 25k HP and maybe 1500 def minimum, otherwise you won't be terribly useful, as you'll keep dying in the last boss fight, and won't be able to do anything. DCs don't have an assigned area for coffer clicking in the last fight normally, so the group can usually carry a dead DC- but I'm sure you don't want to just accept charity- right?
Hope that helps.
Currently, I have slotted radiant enchantments (rank 6s) in all defense slots and lesser soulforged in the armor enchantment slot. I am missing a stone though, will a geared up stone of allure provide the remaining GS and defensive stats that you recommended? Currently at 22k HP and 1200 defense.
But really you need 12K at minimum to beat it with some adequate team work of course.
Really though, your GS number is secondary to having the right stats. People who have 17k but crappy HP will still fail. I'd strongly suggest you go with people from the legit channel- they won't complain about your GS if it's high enough to get in, and you're civil.
Oh, and Armor(sic) Reinforcement Kits from the auction house/crafting! They go on your armour, one on each of four pieces. They are a single use though, so don't use the epic ones on stuff that you're planning to replace any time soon. There are +HP ones, and various other bits. I think they're under "consumable" or something.
If you have a DC with you (and you should, unless you're in a totally ridiculously geared group), he's going to be able to spot heal you when you get choked or caught in the hand, so the big HP pool isn't super necessary. 22k HP is pretty solid for a gear score around 12k.
EDIT: And just noticed your a DC. And you're getting kicked? That's pretty silly. As a DC, you can use your AS underneath people as they get grabbed by the hand, or if they're low on health to keep them alive, and a divine powered healing word to spot heal people AND yourself. If you have a lot of melee or people close to Valindra, Forgemaster's also works pretty good for the fight. Our guild has cleared it pretty easily with a sub 12k GS DC.
The Armor Kits are under Consumables -> Armor Kits.
For newer players the green ones give +25 stat points and are usually between 2500 to 5000 AD so are useful for a small boost after you have got as good enchants as you can afford. Wait until you get Rank 6s though as before it is better to upgrade your enchants.
Also I feel that after getting rank 6 or at most rank 7 enchants a new PvE player should try to save to buy a Lesser Soulforged and then buy a Lesser Terror or Plaguefire whichever is cheaper (usually the Lesser Plaguefire especially if a new lockbox has just come out). Make sure you buy these or make them with a BOUND Coal Ward from the weekly coffers as it is far more expensive to make these yourself with bought Coal Wards.
11.2K is way too low. Even if some groups would accept you, you'd be carried, basically. Also, as a DC you should have around 2.5K of defense. Much less than that and you'll be dying all the time, specially in VT.
And you are wrong you don't need 2.5k defense as a DC it just makes it easier 1.5k - 2k is plenty and getting carried isn't that bad
I would suggest you DO run VT with a group of people that don't mind carrying you. Once again there is nothing wrong with getting carried. However a recommended GS i would personally say is 13k, But 11k is still enough to be semi-usefull.
So not only does it take longer, but with increased chances for this time being wasted for nothing, I must sadly say no for such parties. This also goes for my secondary characters that I don't even try to go to any epic dungeons with them until they have atleast 15k GS, but luckily after you have your first character at 15k+ range, getting the second character there is much faster thanks for your increased resource gathering possibilities.
If this makes me elitist, so be it, but I rather see others wait until they have good chances to succeed than waste my time on unsuccesful runs just so that somebody can try.
Seriously? I ran VT, MC, KR and even LoL much sooner than I got epic DV done for the first time, as there is so few decent players with decent GS going there. The dungeon is quite horrible for every possible way, as it is really long, the enemies are though and do high damage in addition of the stuns, no shortcuts and perhaps the hardest boss in the game without exactly right party composition and huge possibility for atleast one member to die in the beginning for the tentacles, no boss drop for the epic version and loot is utter trash.
I wouldn't even dream going there again with party of anyone having less than 14k GS and even then I would atleast hesitate (and probably not go). VT, CN and MC would be much easier decisions even with weak parties to try...
I did it on my 11.5K CW and I out damaged everyone else in the group (including 17K CW's).
GS is a lie. Too many people achieve this higher GS by using split sets and clearly don't understand how to achieve DPS in the game. A CW with 10K and the HV set is a bigger asset to the run than a 17K CW running split sets and who knows what rotation....
That being said a 17K CW that doesn't know what they are doing is probably better than an 11.5K CW that doesn't know what they are doing either.
I should also add that it is pretty hard (though not impossible) to get over 17K on a CW without running T2.5/split sets (instead of HV). If I see someone in lfg as a CW with a GS over 17K, unless I know what they are running, I stay far away from them.
This being the point of inflated GS requests for /Zone. The GS required must be ridiculously high since the assumption is the skill of the player is totally unknown.
You must be awesome. Can I be like you when I grow up?
There is no possible way a 11.5K CW can out damage a 17K CW, unless the 17K CW has absolutely no idea how to play his class or he is simply AFK for half of the run.
I urge you to stop using LFG. Most people there are bad. Get in a guild with at most 15-20 people (they're the best ones usually) and they will show you the way. Legit is fine but there are elitists jerks like me there, beware!
If you want to be like me when you grow up then I suggest you gain an understanding of how the game works and what GS doesn't give you. It certainly doesn't make up for a poor feat selection and it doesn't make up for a poor encounter selection and rotation.
For starters I had a P Lightning enchant (that doesn't factor into GS so I didn't mention it earlier) and my rotation and feats were optimized for DPS. This isn't my main CW. GS doesn't mean anything if your rotation and feats are not set up correctly.
Secondly, the vast majority of these folks running split sets and all that bought their gear, probably played the class for a week and might as well be playing a TR in terms of their ability to do AOE damage.
Finally, my post wasn't a brag, but I guess it hurt your ego, it was to point out the stupidity of assuming someone with an 11.5K GS can't and shouldn't do VT.
Are you kidding, if I'm in a run and I get carried it's horrible. It means you were worthless for the run and didn't help. I'd rather wipe and not complete than get carried.
Agreed 100%...I do dungeons on my CW with a 12.6k gs atm and I first finished VT with a gs of 11k, with a group whereby we all had 11k...I out dps 9/10 people I play with regardless of their gs, even those with gs up to 19k. How do I manage this? for the reasons ashnvf pointed out, they either don't know how to play their class and use bad gear, or have the wrong feats and abilities slotted for it. Also, it is easy to inflate your GS by using the incorrect armour and weapons without actually using the correct armour and weapons for your build, a high gs doesn't necessarily indicate a good player or build, it just indicates a high GS.
If it's higher then you can be **** sure the guy is a sucker.
Question on this. I've never paid attention to what increases my GS, are you saying that some of the stats on artifacts don't increase GS?
My DC using full HP and a DC artifact (only 2 stats) has a GS of 16.9K and I could be over 17K easily if I used greater armor kits.
Most of the times the 3rd stat doesn't increase your GS.
Things like control bonus or incoming healing are not factored into gear score.
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You're VERY wrong.
My CW has about 18.5K in HV set and basically DPS +Power gear/Int Belt/Gelid Eye wep.
If I equip my Purified/Corrupted PvP setup, I go to 19.3k GS or so. I don't even have all R10s, just 4 to be exact.
All this while not using any companions that inflate stats or 2/2 <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> or Hrimnir/shore set etc.
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Yes, and it's not "just GS", i.e. gear for the sake of high GS. You can easily get very high GS but merely equipping BiS gear. Boons, artis, wep, belt, BI gear, all contribute.
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That may have been correct a while back, but those numbers are probably higher today, I don't know about CWs, but as far as the DC is concerned, well...18K is perfectly reasonable, even when using the HP set and useful companions like the Rust monster. If the DC stats are above 20K then yeah... something is wrong.
CW has been pretty much previously an exception to any rules, but I still wonder how you stayed alive in VT/MC/CN/LoL with <12k GS CW. She hits pretty hard and by my experience less than 12k CWs tend to go down pretty fast there. You must have been hagin a really good party.
Out DPSing CW doesn't tell anything, as my post-4th CW is group buffer/debuffer and her damage has gone south considerably since the patch compared to others. My CW boosts everybody's stats, chill causes universal +5% damage on affected mobs, I use GPF that reduces DR by 45% for everyone and in bosses Ray of Enfeeble affects also everybody and I use Lillend for the sole purpose of giving 1% healing to everybody every time I use dailies, which is plenty.. With perfect vorpal you probably would out DPS me with 12k GS easily, but that doesn't still mean I wouldn't much rather take similar mage as mine into party when I play my alts.
I understand well your point about GS, but frankly my CW was 15k CW pre-patch and respec increased it to 16k and I am 17k currently, still using my Profound PvP set, as my Corrupt Black Ice set draws too much juice for my liking and still haven't been able to gather full HV set. Also not knowing the skills of the one I am looking for my party, I would choose the 17k CW in place of 12k CW, as that 5000 difference in GS usually translates to either higher damage or better survivability, no matter is it get by double set or not.
PS. I have seen over 20k CWs with full sets, so I wouldn't worry too much about 17k CWs.