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Guardian Fighter DPS/Critical/Tank Build

partthurnaxpartthurnax Member Posts: 6 Arc User
edited September 2014 in The Militia Barracks
First of all, i wanna thank you to those who inspire me to make this build
I decided to make this build because i think Guardian fighters have talent to both tank and DPS if played on the right hand. This build is for PvP, but you can play with this build in PvE too.

And perhaps some of you have heard about "Turtle Style" and wondering what is that? so basically, Turtle style is a playstyle that will pretty much turn your GF to turtle, You slot Shield Talent, Guarded Assault, Knight's Valor, Into the Fray, Iron Warrior (for perma shield) and Supremacy of steels for Daily, "What? you can perma shield with GF? i thought perma is only for rogue" Nah, who said so, you get 15% more stamina from Shield Talent, and you use Iron warrior when your shield is almost empty, just keep blocking while your Iron warrior buff is still active, it will refill your stamina, and oh yeah, don't forget to use Into the Fray frequently. For turtle style to works, you activate Knight's Valor, then you can start blocking, you will block the 50% damage to your team from Knight's Valor, and reflect it back to the attacked with Guarded Assault.

So, here we go,

Character, stats, equipments
For my equipments and stats, see images below

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Timeless Hero: Yes, i use timeless hero set because the set bonus is really great for a boost in my critical

Ancient Grand Knight's Weapon Set: 2 pieces of this set give us extra 450 defense which is great for tanking

Lethal Nefarious Amulet: 243 crit and 133 power is good for our necklace, we need that extra 243 crit for our DPS

Pyrotechnic Band: It adds Crit, ArPen, Power which is perfect for our ring.

Lethal Berserker's Belt: 243 Crit, 133 ArPen, as i said before, both Crit and ArPen are useful in our build because we need great boost at DPS, and yes, i haven't put enchantments in this yet, but i will put azure for crit because this slot is Offense slot

Artifact:
1.)Waters of Elah'zad: Removes debuffs such as Poison, etc, then heal for 5810 over 6 seconds(Rare)

2.)Bloodcrystal Raven Skull: Provides huge temporary hit points when used, really great in conjunction with Wrathful Warrior

3.)Defender's Banner: Gives buffs to whole team if they're in the radius of this banner, really great for fighting in mid in PvP

I put every single points to Con and Str, you can try put 1 in Dex too for extra Damage Ignored

My Power gives me 18% to Damage Bonus, and 18% to Healing Bonus and My ArPen gives -13.4% bonus to Damage Ignored, plus -6% Damage Ignored from my Dex, it becomes -19.4% which is great for killing those squishy classes, my Crit is 2.1K which gives me 22% chance to crit plus other buffs it becomes 25%. 25% crit chance is already great for Guardian Fighters

I have 6.9K Attack/Healing which i think is enough because i don't wanna sacrifice my Protection/Healing for my Attack/Healing. The ratio is 1:1 which is balanced, cause we want to tank in PvP too, not only focus on DPS

Powers

Alright, if you have finished reading, we can proceed to Powers and Skills, i will describe all of them one by one.

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I will color them differently according to their usage.

Orange = Bad
Green= Good
Purple= Perfect

Cleave: AoE at will, decent DPS, because it's AoE and PvP is mainly single target fight, i think i wouldn't use this power

Tide of Iron: If used on enemy, will decrease their Damage Resistance, it's hard to decide between this and Threatening Rush.

Lunging Strike: I kept it on my Q from level 2 to level 60 and i wouldn't take this off my Q, xD

Villain's Menace: AoE damage, Crowd Control Immunity, Damage boost, Becomes huge, why not?

Shield Talent: Your stamina drains 15% more slower. it's a really great skill because of Module 4. But other Passives are more useful

Enforced Threat: Taunt nearby enemies up to 20 (i think?) and it creates threat, good in PvE, but not in PvP.

Griffon's Wrath: Good Damage, 3 chain stuns, can be followed by at wills each charges great for PvP

Fighter's Recovery: A daily that can heals you for tremendous amount if all 3 encounters are used without the enemy dodging. Great for those who want to survive longer in battle.

Knee Breaker: I know some of you are probably asking "Why don't you put points in Knee Breaker?" it's because i don't have enough point xD, Great DoT, great slow, really good for hunting perma stealth rogue, and other classes that keeps running from you

Enhanced Mark: Extra threat for our Class Mechanic, really great for those mobs who keeps chasing your team's cleric

Guarded Assault: In Module 4, this skill is really great for reflecting the damage from enemy, great in conjunction with Knight's Valor, Iron Warrior, and Into the Fray (Turtle Style GF)

Crushing Surge: Great damage, medium speed (i think it has faster speed than cleave) and the last hit heals you, really great for our at wills, i can crit 15K with this + Knight's Challenge

Knight's Challenge: Helps us easily in DPS, deals double damage to enemy and the enemy will deal double damage to us too, in PvP, i usually use this first, then Bull charge, then Lunging Strike, if Bull charge and Lunging Strike crit, you will kill your target instantly

Combat Superiority: Really great passive, you deals 10% damage to foes after they hit you, once feated, becomes 15% damage boost to pretty much every damaging thing you have

Anvil of Doom: I put points in this skill just because i wanna see the highest damage i can go, got 80K crit with Knight's challenge, but this skill is great when used after your control skill, like FLS, Bull Charge, etc

Frontline Surge: Stun enemies in front of you in a medium AoE, decent damage, good for chain stuns with griffon's wrath or Bull Charge

Ferocious Reaction: Allows you to gain 10% life back if lowered to 15% health remaining. This can be increased to 20% life gained by the Improved Reaction feat. Since we don't take Improved Reaction feat, i don't slot this in PvP, but this skill is really good if you want more survival

Threatening Rush: This skill is more like "Mini Lunging Strike", It is, though, no cooldown charge, decent damage, can be spammed on CW to make them use all their dodges, and then continue with your combo.

Into the Fray: Really good when playing turtle style GF, since i'm a DPS/Tank, i don't put point in this skill, it's good if you find this successful though

Supremacy of Steel: Reflect damage dealt to you back to your attacker? Really sweet daily, If used with Bloodcrystal Ravenskull, This daily can kick ***. I used this once, a GWF keeps hitting me without knowing that his health is missing because of his own damage, i laught so hard that time xDD

Trample the Fallen: 15% damage to foes that is affected by control effect, we need more boost to our DPS

Iron Warrior: Gain temporary hit points equal to health missing, then adds regen to our stamina/guard meter, in conjunction with Into the Fray, you can perma Shield with this

Knight's Valor: Needed for Turtle style, because i don't play turtle style, i don't put point in it

Bull Charge: Knockdown skill, great damage, no comments on this one, i probably have slotted this in my skill bar for a long time

Indomitable Strength: 2 hits daily, leave the enemy prone, good for chaining stuns and prone

Enduring Warrior: Really great skill when used in PvE, not PvP

"All good and perfect skills? why there are no bad skills?"
It's Simple, Because I Love All Skills

Feats

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Description

Strength Focus 3/3: Increase strength effectiveness by 15%, Since i put my points on STR, it's really useful to me

Toughness 3/3: The more hitpoints you have, the more tanky you will become

Shielded Resurgence 3/3: When affected by control power, gives 4% temp hit points, great in conjunction with Wrathful Warrior

Armor Specialization 3/3: Defense and AC effectiveness is increased by 15%, must put points in this feat, 15% defense is really great for us

Powerful Attack 5/5: Increase your atwills and encounter damage by 10%, as i mention before, we need boost to our DPS, and this feat is in it

Weapon Mastery 3/3: Increase crit chance by 3%, Good for those who is crit build, since we are, then we'll take that

Conqueror

Take Measure 5/5: Since we got crit oftenly, i think this feat is good for our build, temp hit points is important though

Reinforced Surge 5/5: Buff Frontline Surge, more stun time, more damage, more craziness

Wrathful Warrior 5/5: When you have temp hit points, you deal 15% more damage, this, plus Combat superiority, plus trample the fallen, it does 45% more damage!!! That 40k anvil crit in PvP (the 80k is in PvE) just became 60.250 damage, Lol, right?

Staggering Challenge 5/5e: Maybe some of you don't understand how this feat works, so when you strike enemy with Griffon's Wrath, it adds "Staggering Challenge" buff, so when you use griffon's wrath again, it adds 20% damage to the second griffon's wrath, then 20% damage from the second griffon's wrath to the third griffon's wrath, and Knight's challenge gain 10% more bonus damage which is great

Tactical Superiority 5/5: Once maxed, Combat Superiority will become solid 15% damage boost to any of our damaging skills

Reckless attacker 1/1: You can get this stack easily by just blocking because you take 20% of the damage dealt to you while blocking, it can occurs Reckless Attacker, just block 5 hits, then you will get the max stack, that means you gain 25% damage bonus and 10% crit chance bonus, that 60.250 crit anvil of doom just became 71.500 crit, Wow Wow Wow

Plate Agility 5/5: This feat is in Protector tree, you gain 5% more chance to deflect = more tankiness

Boons

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Yes, yes, i'm sorry, i know i haven't got all of the boons, but that's the current boons i have, i will edit this post again once i got more boons

How to defeat all classes in PvP

-Control Wizard: It's a little hard to beat control wizard in PvP now, because of their new "Perma CC" thing, and Ray of Frost went through our shield for some reason, you can always spam Threatening Rush until they have used all their dodges, then you can continue with bull charge->any of your encounter skill and don't forget to block their encounter too, if you hear some kind of freezing noise, windlike, it means they're using Chill Strike which they will continue to CC you if you got hit by that, so try to avoid that

-Trickster Rogue: Defeating Rogue is easy, except for those perma stealth rogue, perma stealth rogues will be like spinning around the cap point, then using their encounter if they're off cooldown to refill their stealth meter, so what you gotta do is damage them so their stealth meter will decrease quickly, use Frontline Surge to knock them down, or you can run around cap point to find them then Bull charge -> Knee Breaker to apply debuff DoT, which keeps their stealth meter empty until the buff expired

-Great Weapon Fighter: GWF is easy now in Module 4, Just block their Takedown, or any of their burst damage, don't use your block if the GWF is using at wills without Unstoppable, because it barely damages you, you can start blocking when they use their unstoppable, that way, you can avoid their damage but still damaging them

-Warlock: Warlocks are annoying in PvP and with that Soul Puppets bug, it becomes more annoying, you cannot target them when they're hiding behind their army of soul puppets, but if the warlocks is alone (without soul puppets) you can just charge them and finish them, just watch out if they have green thing flying around them, it will hits you hard if you get too close to them

-Hunter Ranger: They just shot you from long long range, and you probably will run, believe me, don't run from them, chase them!!, if they got charged they will be panicked, because all they can do is shot in long range, their melee can barely damages you xD, just keep spamming Threatening Rush on them until you can use Bull Charge, then continue with your combo

-Guardian Fighter: It's just like seeing you as the enemy's point of view, guardians are annoying as hell if you encountered them in PvP (just like us) xDD, you can run, or you can fight for absolutely 1 hour if both are tanky

-Devoted Cleric: Once you entered a fight and see a DC, you will probably kill them first, but then you realised they have insane defenses because their Astral Shield, then you are barely damaging them, you will then probably change your target and then you die because of stressnes from enemy range class, this is common mistake, if you see a DC, test them by using bull charge on them, if they are squishy, you can kill them, however, if they are not, you can quickly change your target to enemy's range class

Skill setup

I always slotted Combat superiority and Trample the fallen on my passive bar, then Lunging Strike, Bull Charge, Knight's Challenge for my encounter, Crushing Surge and Threatening Rush for my at wills, Indomitable Strength and Terrifying Impact for my daily
You can always change into more variety of skills, you can test which skills suit you best

Enchantments

For Weapon Enchantment slot, I use Vorpal Enchantment

For Armor Enchantment slot, I use Negation Enchantment

For Offense slot, I use Dark Enchantment for ArPen and Azure Enchantment for Critical, balancing between both

For Defense slot, I use Silvery Enchantment for Deflect and Azure Enchantment for Defense, also keeping them balanced

For Utility slot, I use Silvery Enchantment for Glory Bonus, because i spent most of my time PvPing, you can also replace them with Dark for Movement

Okay guys, perhaps that's all for my build, thank you so much for reading
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  • partthurnaxpartthurnax Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    If you guys have any request or feedback, just tell me here in forum or in-game.
    My nick is Paarthurnax@partthurnax
  • wikkedjrwikkedjr Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Could you mention your boons please? Looking forward to trying this build out.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • partthurnaxpartthurnax Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Sure, i will edit it as soon as i can
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Not bad, I would make a change in the following areas however...

    Shielded Resurgence is good if you are going for the 15% buff from Wrathful but the heal is useless, the same with Grit and Take Measure. I mean even if you had 50,000 HP which you do not you're looking at 2000-2500 hp every 30 -50 seconds? Hardly worth the points as thats not even 1 CW dot tick.


    I would place 1 point in those only to gain the Wrathful buff, and place the extra points in Action Surge - Improved Vigor as AP gain is vital in PVP or PvE!


    Just my 2 cents have fun! :D
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • partthurnaxpartthurnax Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, i know 4% is not useful because CWs are hitting like crazy now, shoulda change it, but i can't reset Feats due to my "Astral Diamonds Crisis" :P

    Btw thanks for the comment Shieldbash :P
  • sciboorsciboor Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Lame build - it was good maybe about 1 year ago and now is piece of ...
    And i check second time... yes u make that topic 04.09.2014... oh dear ;p
    Ur opinion "how to defeat all clases in pvp" is rlly silly:
    -HR attack u from range?? No comment man... blades... and only blades rules in pvp (marauders/thorn, boar, fox) with carefull attack will crush u.
    -CW "->any of u encounter skill" hahaha... u dont make any move against top CW if he attack u first
    -TR frontline dont make a knockdown... and 95% TRs are permastealth (do u played against perma??)
    -GF 1 hour??? Try with my GF - whisp me evening Prosiaczek@sciboor and ill show u that fight can be ended in 2 minuts

    And last:
    Explain me why u have feat tactical superiority and u dont use class feature combat superiority??
    U said guarded assault is good-tell me where is good??
    Remember that deflecting only 15% of ur max hp-and u have only 32,6k hp (that means u deflect max near 5k damage-before DR ur oponent... after thier DR is about 3k and give it only with strongest shoots whith u get)
    Feat rainforced surge 5/5... any GF still use frontline after 4.0???

    I must drink after reading that topic
  • inthere23inthere23 Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    No points in into the fray and knights valor will get you kicked from some groups......neither needs to be used in a turtle style and both are very effective without using block, especially if you're tactician build.

    Also for pvp look into Swordmaster build, Knights Challenge+Crescendo+anything else kills almost any class pretty quickly
    Venril Sathir- CW
    Venril- SW
    Lurch- GF
    Mini Ven- DC
  • tantivetyrelltantivetyrell Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    With my grim conqueror armor, when I forgo anvil of doom or any other offensive skill...I choose Into the fray in the third encounter slot. It's buff helps your team, especially melee types ..going for a relentless pursuit.

    I like it versus stealthed rogues as well, as my speed will exceed theirs in stealth, and I can quickly move toward the sound of their knifethrows before they relocate. I like it also when outnumbered, because I go around in a circle around my attackers, keeping my shield at them. You cannot escape from an iron vanguard using lunges, threatening rush, bullrush and into the fray..they will always catch up to you.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Sciboor, you nuked the poor guy :). But i totally agree. Pve itemization with low hp and regen, without tenacity. Main stats wrong (you need Dex for resistance ignored). Even feats are badly chosen. That won't work, sorry.
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    sciboor wrote: »
    Lame build - it was good maybe about 1 year ago and now is piece of ...
    And i check second time... yes u make that topic 04.09.2014... oh dear ;p
    Ur opinion "how to defeat all clases in pvp" is rlly silly:
    -HR attack u from range?? No comment man... blades... and only blades rules in pvp (marauders/thorn, boar, fox) with carefull attack will crush u.
    -CW "->any of u encounter skill" hahaha... u dont make any move against top CW if he attack u first
    -TR frontline dont make a knockdown... and 95% TRs are permastealth (do u played against perma??)
    -GF 1 hour??? Try with my GF - whisp me evening Prosiaczek@sciboor and ill show u that fight can be ended in 2 minuts

    And last:
    Explain me why u have feat tactical superiority and u dont use class feature combat superiority??
    U said guarded assault is good-tell me where is good??
    Remember that deflecting only 15% of ur max hp-and u have only 32,6k hp (that means u deflect max near 5k damage-before DR ur oponent... after thier DR is about 3k and give it only with strongest shoots whith u get)
    Feat rainforced surge 5/5... any GF still use frontline after 4.0???

    I must drink after reading that topic

    This is a build guide, the OP wasn't asking questions so why you come here to try to prove yo know more is just sad.
    Crixus - PVP GF
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • kingcalouskingcalous Member Posts: 55
    edited September 2014
    Most of the issues with your build were mentioned above. There are still plenty more but meh.

    Only thing Im going to comment on is you have no Tenacity. You have to have Tenacity. If you want to wear Timeless thats fine, but you HAVE to get PvP rings/neck weapons and prolly belt too.

    You will get 2 shotted and be CC'd indeffinatly if you try to PvP with the setup you have now, and if you are not getting 2 shotted already, you will if you ever go against anything but PvP bots.

    You also need to re-roll, you have 14 points in int?

    Here, this will help with your re-roll:

    http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Ability_Score_Rolling

    Go Halfling unless you just cannot stand being a Halfling, then go Dwarf or Human, but both of those are inferior to Halfling in several ways.
  • kingcalouskingcalous Member Posts: 55
    edited September 2014
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    This is a build guide, the OP wasn't asking questions so why you come here to try to prove yo know more is just sad.


    Probably because he is sick and tired of people coming on here and sharing horribly broken builds and spreading misinformation.

    We don't need more bad GF's or bad PvPers in general, there are PLENTY already.

    He was a little more dickish than he could have been in pointing it out, but I fully support that so.... =D
  • sciboorsciboor Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kingcalous wrote: »
    Probably because he is sick and tired of people coming on here and sharing horribly broken builds and spreading misinformation.

    We don't need more bad GF's or bad PvPers in general, there are PLENTY already.

    He was a little more dickish than he could have been in pointing it out, but I fully support that so.... =D

    Correct

    I'm not here a little, silent girl
    and when i see GF build guide which one is a totally useless and person who post it, sugest that is "so OP on pvp" im a little confused.
    When i see somethink that is totally absurd, ill tell that-its simple for me.
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The OP's build is not perfect! Bashing him / her for writing it is just rude!

    I can spec blindly and just click whatever and still be successful to some degree, so don't tell me this spec cannot... It takes balls to write something publicly knowing people will smash anything you say to make you look bad. I think it was well done, the spec is not my style but I have a close feat representation.

    PvP / Black Ice gear would help immensely, but I digress. I run a hybrid type build myself and fair pretty well. :)
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Wow, the toxicity of this game's community is astounding. If you don't like something or disagree with it, there is no need to be a **** about it.

    Also, there is no rule to PVP. Some things work better than others, but if you can succeed by trying something else it does not make it wrong.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • gregonmarsgregonmars Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Even if u dont have tenacity gear which is a great asset in pvp, personaly i like your build for me too i drive a GF conqueror mainly in pvp.

    So i am always happy when there is such a share of experience because its hard to be a conqueror GF in PVP.

    My answer now : i really dont know how to maximize my dailies with a gf : there are not very strong power, slow AP regen : any ideas to use them in an 'agressive' GF style ?

    Thx
  • aiulianaiulian Member Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    the build is fine, u just need to get used to playing it... I have a similar build, based more on AP gain (41% AP gain, not a tactician :P) and much more life steal (1.6k), I can t say it s the best build ever you just need to have skill and u can pull it off (like 2 manning dungeons for example and yes I did that)
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    thestaggy wrote: »
    Wow, the toxicity of this game's community is astounding. If you don't like something or disagree with it, there is no need to be a **** about it.

    Also, there is no rule to PVP. Some things work better than others, but if you can succeed by trying something else it does not make it wrong.

    +1

    Many gf players are very respectful and I like that but I hate seeing gf players talk down to another.

    When I done my build many people would post replies disagreeing with things and most was wrong lol, I was thinking " why are you posting ? this is my build not a discussion for you to try to prove you know more" because it is kinda annoying, and if you do feel you need to comment on things then at least do it in a nice way.
    Crixus - PVP GF
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • umcjdkingumcjdking Member Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Seconded on Negation.

    It's best on a swordmaster. Steel Defense, Negation and Forgehammer of Gond basically ensures I will sponge all damage easily for 15 seconds.
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    +1

    Many gf players are very respectful and I like that but I hate seeing gf players talk down to another.

    When I done my build many people would post replies disagreeing with things and most was wrong lol, I was thinking " why are you posting ? this is my build not a discussion for you to try to prove you know more" because it is kinda annoying, and if you do feel you need to comment on things then at least do it in a nice way.

    I've seen many GF concepts I personally wouldn't follow and I've also tried some others which I was not comfortable with, but I've never told the person they are wrong. I just ask how they cope in certain situations and if it works for them then that is what counts. One of my friends runs a completely opposite build to mine yet we both perform at a near equal level, being within a handful of pages of one another. In one match in which we teamed up he was confounded by the fact that I was running around like a wrecking ball using a far more defensive build. If your build suits your play style and you are comfortable with it, then it is an effective build.

    I myself have considered trying Timeless in PVP with Tenacity jewellery, but I don't think I have the balls for that as my regular PVP set-up is a very tanky one, so I doubt I could play as a softy.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    So every one will comfort him, even if this setup is plain wrong in pvp? Tell me what will happen if this guy (or his falowers) will encouter real pvp builds on opositive team? Will he help his team or maybe he will be the weakest link?

    Dont deffend this just because some one isn't diplomat and flamed what all are thinking...
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    ravenan wrote: »
    So every one will comfort him, even if this setup is plain wrong in pvp? Tell me what will happen if this guy (or his falowers) will encouter real pvp builds on opositive team? Will he help his team or maybe he will be the weakest link?

    Dont deffend this just because some one isn't diplomat and flamed what all are thinking...

    It's mainly the way the guy replied to it, there was no need....
    Crixus - PVP GF
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    ravenan wrote: »
    So every one will comfort him, even if this setup is plain wrong in pvp? Tell me what will happen if this guy (or his falowers) will encouter real pvp builds on opositive team? Will he help his team or maybe he will be the weakest link?

    Dont deffend this just because some one isn't diplomat and flamed what all are thinking...

    Constructive criticism > being a complete dbag. There is a difference.

    Tell me, what is the ''right'' way to PVP? As my previous comment indicates, myself and my friend have two polar opposite views on how to run our GFs in PVP yet we are nearly equal in performance. We use different races, paragons, paths, rotations, armour, gear, enchants and artifacts but we are frequently within a few pages of each other and have nearly equal K-D ratios.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Lets start with surviving any class. At this point he can easly be killed by tank DC with glifs. U need at least 45k hp even when ur offencively focused (easy to get with r7), and about 1k tenacity. I think is too low but aditional 10% dr and control resist is better than nothing. Right now to perma freaze him u dont need opressor, thauma is enough... More hp regen wont hurt too.

    Feats are personal choice so i wont argue about that. But i can say whats my personal choice. Im conqueror too, but to complement it i took 5% deflect and 10% dr when shield drops below 30% from protector.

    The biggest opstackless in pvp are opressors and hrs (meele types, piercing dmg dont respect block, and dmg is based on unmitigated skill dmg). Theres no counter to them when they are focused on you. The only question is how long you will survive. Cws are easy to kill when they are focusing on someone else, but to kill good hr u need cws help.

    OOO and i forgot to mention stacking SW. 2 of them stacking dots on you are deadly as hell. Necrotic dmg go through any dr..

    Remember that im speaking about facing good top pvpers...
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • partthurnaxpartthurnax Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well, i'm really sorry if this guide or build doesn't help you guys, i know it's not perfect, i just made it because i have nothing else to do rather than PvP, so i think i'm gonna make a build of "Myself"
    If you guys hate this thread, then don't bother seeing it, i would receive any feedback, but not this kind of feeling hurting and cornering me just because i was wrong, please?

    No need to rage at me please, i'm no perfect at all, btw thanks for reading :D
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    As GF you should have tick skin. It helped us, old timers, a lot during these 1,5 year in NWO :). Please read what I have wrote, because you will be facing a wall soon. If u keep playing pvp, you will encouter problems I and others have mentioned above. Solution to this you have to find by urself.

    Tactics, team composition and good team leader is the best option to be sucesfull at the end.
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    just because i was wrong

    You are not wrong. If this build or setup is currently working for you then it is the right build for you and anyone else that tries it and likes it. There is no rule in this game that says you have to use this armour, these powers and these enchantments.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yep, bunnies and rainbows everywhere.
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    ravenan wrote: »
    Yep, bunnies and rainbows everywhere.

    Again, nothing about my GF and my friends GF is the same yet we perform at the same level. Care to tell me who is wrong and who is right?
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Not enough data. I dont know yours or ur buddys itemization. But i expect that both of u have more hp and tenacity than build above.

    Cant you see that bis CW has 43k hp ( i expect now more is posible with m4 gear) and he as a GF has 32k? In what dimention he stands a chance?

    How can you still come here and mislead ppl saing that" its ok to go with pve gear in pvp, you will do great". Please don't, im sick of weaklings in pug party...

    I don't know why im trying my best to be polite and help. You clearly dont have enough expirience in pvp to share such a statements... In pvp you need high as posible HP pool and tenacity, period. To acuire this on GF you realy dont need to sacrifice anything.

    But what do i know, pvp is pleasent place where always sun is shining, and children are laughing. You can wear what ever you want, just dont be naged, right?
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
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