Again, nothing about my GF and my friends GF is the same yet we perform at the same level. Care to tell me who is wrong and who is right?
Out of curiosity, and not meaning to be disrespectful, but what level is that? What's the highest rank on the pvp ladder? What page are you (or they) on? Again, just trying to gain some perspective.
Because from what I've seen in my admittedly limited experience from every PVP'er on the top 20 pages is they have 3 things in common: high hit points, high tenacity, and high regen.
if you and your GF friends don't have any of those 3 stats peaked, and are still ranked in the top 20 pages, that would be very comforting to know.
Venril Sathir- CW
Venril- SW
Lurch- GF
Mini Ven- DC
I wouldn't post in this thread but i saw some really trolly Gfs here bashing the poor guy.
First of all the man has made a wonderfull post with pictures fonts nearly two pages long.He wrote this thread with love and your response is to offend him.Some of you behave like little priiiicks.Or diiiicks.
Second:Diversity never offended anyone .You can try this build if you do not like change that .Most GFs that post here we have timeless and accumulated wealth in ad to buy the items in 5 minutes time from AH.
I run corrupted BI /purified BI armor set with standard corrupted BI weapon set.Currently at page 24 but i found myself from 22 up to 161.I pug and it is extremely situational where i will end up in a day or two.
All the theorycrafting here and ME think that more defensive build is beter in pvp.I feel better when i wear my purified armor set.But somehow corrupted set,yes the "squishy glass cannon" you all theorycrafters condemn push me more in leaderboard than the purified BI set.Again and again and again.So theories are for to be taken dawn and replaced by new ones.
Having stated that i do believe that high hp/deflect regen and tenacity is the way to go.But it also depends on playstyle team composition team8s behaviour etc.With the right tem8s (good pvp dc) a squishy GF can do better in middle than a tanky one.Also in one vs one a squishy offensive Gf can fare better against a CW or warlock.Kill him before he kills you.
Just an example.
one of my goals is to aquire the tenacity rings(which sadly is very difficult cause i hate GG) and go pvp with the valiant...
Not with timeless but with valiant.i want to test it out.nvm
The top Gf now in leaderboard ,Arcanty runs a 3 purified,1 chest tactician profound set!!! I inspected him in pvp one time.
And he is top.The guy follows his own rules and he is n1.And he pugs god damnnnn it!!!!!!!!!!! Holy....
Conclusion:
Grats parthunax for your thread your effort and your build
i enjoyed reading your post .We disagree but we can test our biulds and yours in pvp if we ever met
I also every time enjoy the posts of rip,Crixus and the staggy.I also like the posts of lisaxill and mfgamesys but they did not showed up here
As for some "experts" GFs here.....some Gfs that only pvp with their op trolly guildies...Why you don't go up yourselfs and pug to see and test your wisdom??? :P
Edit:i wrote high hp,regen tenacity and deflect.Not defence.Defence is nearly useless in pvp above 40-44% cause it can be mitigated in a million ways.Yet many "pro" advocate it.
Not enough data. I dont know yours or ur buddys itemization. But i expect that both of u have more hp and tenacity than build above.
Cant you see that bis CW has 43k hp ( i expect now more is posible with m4 gear) and he as a GF has 32k? In what dimention he stands a chance?
How can you still come here and mislead ppl saing that" its ok to go with pve gear in pvp, you will do great". Please don't, im sick of weaklings in pug party...
I don't know why im trying my best to be polite and help. You clearly dont have enough expirience in pvp to share such a statements... In pvp you need high as posible HP pool and tenacity, period. To acuire this on GF you realy dont need to sacrifice anything.
But what do i know, pvp is pleasent place where always sun is shining, and children are laughing. You can wear what ever you want, just dont be naged, right?
This reminds me of the Vorpal non-stealth focused Whisperknife that was blasted from all quarters for running an inefficient build. What the critics fail to grasp is;
a - It works for the user. Do you not get that? The person using it likes it and it suits them.
b - The user is not forcing anyone to use his build nor is he telling people it is the way to go.
c - There are no laws, rules and regulations dictating PVP builds. I fought a GWF with Avatar of War gear and a P.Vorpal. He got tons of kills and nearly as much deaths. I said he was crazy. He said he was having fun.
I was wearing green non-tenacity rings in PVP while as high as page 50 because the stats gave me what I needed. Page 50 is not were the greatest PVPers of all time are, but it put me inside the top 5 - 6% of the PVP population. Every l33t PVPer on my team blasted me for doing that but swiftly shut their mouth when I was routinely holding off two people at a time at the enemy home node.
Do I think it is wise to use non-PVP gear? No, it isn't. But if it works for you and you are successful, then carry on. I won't be a d*** about it though.
PVPers are some of the most horrific people you can meet in this game and it is why I have rejected every invite to a PVP-orientated guild.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
Out of curiosity, and not meaning to be disrespectful, but what level is that? What's the highest rank on the pvp ladder? What page are you (or they) on? Again, just trying to gain some perspective.
Because from what I've seen in my admittedly limited experience from every PVP'er on the top 20 pages is they have 3 things in common: high hit points, high tenacity, and high regen.
if you and your GF friends don't have any of those 3 stats peaked, and are still ranked in the top 20 pages, that would be very comforting to know.
High of page 16 with nothing more than R7s, purple artifacts and Greater enchants. Down to the 50s at the moment as I haven't PVP'd much this week. I ALWAYS PUG as I am one of two active people in my guild and I refuse to join a PVP guild because of the attitudes on display in this very thread.
I run a high defense, high regen, high deflect tactician build and I use full tenacity gear, but I will not tell someone they are doing it wrong if they do something completely different and can make it work.
You see hypervoreian's post? That is the in-game friend I am talking about. We have different outlooks on how to run our GFs in PVP.
As far as I know, ripyourlipsoff prefers to use Life Steal over HP on his GF and I know he's been criticised for that as well, but he's another capable GF, so is he wrong?
Also, if we are honest, the leaderboard is not a true reflection of individual play. I can finish a PUG match with 4-times as many kills than deaths and still lose because my team was bad. I've lost count of how many times I've been the only one to have a positive K-D ratio and lost. There are also leaderboard exploits that I am sure you are aware of.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
Out of curiosity, and not meaning to be disrespectful, but what level is that? What's the highest rank on the pvp ladder? What page are you (or they) on? Again, just trying to gain some perspective.
Because from what I've seen in my admittedly limited experience from every PVP'er on the top 20 pages is they have 3 things in common: high hit points, high tenacity, and high regen.
if you and your GF friends don't have any of those 3 stats peaked, and are still ranked in the top 20 pages, that would be very comforting to know.
How good someone is aint the same as what page he is on. What if I have two bis PVP toons ( which I almost have ) and lots of experience ( been here since beta ) but I dont PVP very often these days. My ranking will be low, yet I can kill pretty much anything. The only thing that matters is the current match you are in and what you do while in it. Scrap the leaderboard
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Yep ,we see, his setup is 2/2 purified/corrupted which is the highest hp setup for armor set right now with moderate/high offence stats + overload slots + tenacity. Its werry good offencive setup for pvp. The only 'problem' is lack of regen which is easy countered by accesories and artefacts.
"I was wearing green non-tenacity rings in PVP"
..House of Holarhin signets.I don't remember the name exactly.175 LS 150 regen and an offense slot.After mod 4 Cryptic made them blue
Out of topic the regen rings of HR and Trs need a nerf (408 regen the TR ring ) but nvm
" We have different outlooks on how to run our GFs in PVP."
In the last 15 days or so i put my corrupted on my bank and use my purified only cause it is also better for pve.The new reenforcement kits can aplly armor pen to any armour but not regen.So i chosen to improve purified with arm pen .If there was regen armor kits i would improve the corrupted but sadly they are not
I will not go 2/2 i always like to wear a full set.And purified set bonus is way better than the corrupted.Mini barkshield when it procs.
Bottom line is that i slowly go towards Staggy view as concerning pvp setup/gear.But i do that cause it gives me better gameplay satisfaction to be more tanky.As said before Corrupted (or offensive setup in general)somehow helps me climb the leaderboard more easily.
What is best is high situational and depends from game to game.If you are against a team of CWs/Warlocks and HRs purified or general defensive setup is better.Cause you ll turtle and play defensivelly to hold the node as much you can untill you die.
If you face GWfs/Gfs corrupted of offensive setup in general (profound conqueror etc)is better.If no Cw can freeze you ,you can use your block wisely and kill fast the GWfs before they land a Savage Advance critical after a stun.Cause if the fight gets too long it is quarenteed that they will do(all have above 35% critical chance).And then you ll be with 16-20k less hit points and proned....
In conclusion optimum gear setup depends of the gameplay,the enemy class composition ,the abilities of your team8s.A good thorn ward spamming HR and a pvp DC toon will offset easily the disadvantages of an offenssive GF and make him shine.
So the build o Parthunax is not bad.it can work under circumstances.And if he gives him satisfaction,the better.With that build if he catches a CW/Warlock even a medium geared Hr he can give them serious trouble.But he ll be in disadvantage against more tanky classes and toons.GWfs , GFs and tanky Tr/Hrs.A partunax based build Gf could clear the enemy glass cannons quickly if taken by surprise but he ll have trouble against tanky classes.
On a side note i tried normal elven and normal thunderhead on pvp.Wasted ad...Don't buy that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>
The new trend is the reflect based Gfs with red/blue glyphs.Sos all the time KV,protector path and guarded assault.Briartwine armor.Unkillable except frozen by your Cw(very difficult).Faced one today.Unkillable.
We and our discussion is already obsolete here !
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Out of curiosity, and not meaning to be disrespectful, but what level is that? What's the highest rank on the pvp ladder? What page are you (or they) on? Again, just trying to gain some perspective.
Because from what I've seen in my admittedly limited experience from every PVP'er on the top 20 pages is they have 3 things in common: high hit points, high tenacity, and high regen.
if you and your GF friends don't have any of those 3 stats peaked, and are still ranked in the top 20 pages, that would be very comforting to know.
Venril- SW
Lurch- GF
Mini Ven- DC
A competitive guild could take a 9k scrub and carry him to the top pages if they chose to.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
First of all the man has made a wonderfull post with pictures fonts nearly two pages long.He wrote this thread with love and your response is to offend him.Some of you behave like little priiiicks.Or diiiicks.
Second:Diversity never offended anyone .You can try this build if you do not like change that .Most GFs that post here we have timeless and accumulated wealth in ad to buy the items in 5 minutes time from AH.
I run corrupted BI /purified BI armor set with standard corrupted BI weapon set.Currently at page 24 but i found myself from 22 up to 161.I pug and it is extremely situational where i will end up in a day or two.
All the theorycrafting here and ME think that more defensive build is beter in pvp.I feel better when i wear my purified armor set.But somehow corrupted set,yes the "squishy glass cannon" you all theorycrafters condemn push me more in leaderboard than the purified BI set.Again and again and again.So theories are for to be taken dawn and replaced by new ones.
Having stated that i do believe that high hp/deflect regen and tenacity is the way to go.But it also depends on playstyle team composition team8s behaviour etc.With the right tem8s (good pvp dc) a squishy GF can do better in middle than a tanky one.Also in one vs one a squishy offensive Gf can fare better against a CW or warlock.Kill him before he kills you.
Just an example.
one of my goals is to aquire the tenacity rings(which sadly is very difficult cause i hate GG) and go pvp with the valiant...
Not with timeless but with valiant.i want to test it out.nvm
The top Gf now in leaderboard ,Arcanty runs a 3 purified,1 chest tactician profound set!!! I inspected him in pvp one time.
And he is top.The guy follows his own rules and he is n1.And he pugs god damnnnn it!!!!!!!!!!! Holy....
Conclusion:
Grats parthunax for your thread your effort and your build
i enjoyed reading your post .We disagree but we can test our biulds and yours in pvp if we ever met
I also every time enjoy the posts of rip,Crixus and the staggy.I also like the posts of lisaxill and mfgamesys but they did not showed up here
As for some "experts" GFs here.....some Gfs that only pvp with their op trolly guildies...Why you don't go up yourselfs and pug to see and test your wisdom??? :P
Edit:i wrote high hp,regen tenacity and deflect.Not defence.Defence is nearly useless in pvp above 40-44% cause it can be mitigated in a million ways.Yet many "pro" advocate it.
This reminds me of the Vorpal non-stealth focused Whisperknife that was blasted from all quarters for running an inefficient build. What the critics fail to grasp is;
a - It works for the user. Do you not get that? The person using it likes it and it suits them.
b - The user is not forcing anyone to use his build nor is he telling people it is the way to go.
c - There are no laws, rules and regulations dictating PVP builds. I fought a GWF with Avatar of War gear and a P.Vorpal. He got tons of kills and nearly as much deaths. I said he was crazy. He said he was having fun.
I was wearing green non-tenacity rings in PVP while as high as page 50 because the stats gave me what I needed. Page 50 is not were the greatest PVPers of all time are, but it put me inside the top 5 - 6% of the PVP population. Every l33t PVPer on my team blasted me for doing that but swiftly shut their mouth when I was routinely holding off two people at a time at the enemy home node.
Do I think it is wise to use non-PVP gear? No, it isn't. But if it works for you and you are successful, then carry on. I won't be a d*** about it though.
PVPers are some of the most horrific people you can meet in this game and it is why I have rejected every invite to a PVP-orientated guild.
High of page 16 with nothing more than R7s, purple artifacts and Greater enchants. Down to the 50s at the moment as I haven't PVP'd much this week. I ALWAYS PUG as I am one of two active people in my guild and I refuse to join a PVP guild because of the attitudes on display in this very thread.
I run a high defense, high regen, high deflect tactician build and I use full tenacity gear, but I will not tell someone they are doing it wrong if they do something completely different and can make it work.
You see hypervoreian's post? That is the in-game friend I am talking about. We have different outlooks on how to run our GFs in PVP.
As far as I know, ripyourlipsoff prefers to use Life Steal over HP on his GF and I know he's been criticised for that as well, but he's another capable GF, so is he wrong?
Also, if we are honest, the leaderboard is not a true reflection of individual play. I can finish a PUG match with 4-times as many kills than deaths and still lose because my team was bad. I've lost count of how many times I've been the only one to have a positive K-D ratio and lost. There are also leaderboard exploits that I am sure you are aware of.
How good someone is aint the same as what page he is on. What if I have two bis PVP toons ( which I almost have ) and lots of experience ( been here since beta ) but I dont PVP very often these days. My ranking will be low, yet I can kill pretty much anything. The only thing that matters is the current match you are in and what you do while in it. Scrap the leaderboard
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Steel and Magic
..House of Holarhin signets.I don't remember the name exactly.175 LS 150 regen and an offense slot.After mod 4 Cryptic made them blue
Out of topic the regen rings of HR and Trs need a nerf (408 regen the TR ring ) but nvm
" We have different outlooks on how to run our GFs in PVP."
In the last 15 days or so i put my corrupted on my bank and use my purified only cause it is also better for pve.The new reenforcement kits can aplly armor pen to any armour but not regen.So i chosen to improve purified with arm pen .If there was regen armor kits i would improve the corrupted but sadly they are not
I will not go 2/2 i always like to wear a full set.And purified set bonus is way better than the corrupted.Mini barkshield when it procs.
Bottom line is that i slowly go towards Staggy view as concerning pvp setup/gear.But i do that cause it gives me better gameplay satisfaction to be more tanky.As said before Corrupted (or offensive setup in general)somehow helps me climb the leaderboard more easily.
What is best is high situational and depends from game to game.If you are against a team of CWs/Warlocks and HRs purified or general defensive setup is better.Cause you ll turtle and play defensivelly to hold the node as much you can untill you die.
If you face GWfs/Gfs corrupted of offensive setup in general (profound conqueror etc)is better.If no Cw can freeze you ,you can use your block wisely and kill fast the GWfs before they land a Savage Advance critical after a stun.Cause if the fight gets too long it is quarenteed that they will do(all have above 35% critical chance).And then you ll be with 16-20k less hit points and proned....
In conclusion optimum gear setup depends of the gameplay,the enemy class composition ,the abilities of your team8s.A good thorn ward spamming HR and a pvp DC toon will offset easily the disadvantages of an offenssive GF and make him shine.
So the build o Parthunax is not bad.it can work under circumstances.And if he gives him satisfaction,the better.With that build if he catches a CW/Warlock even a medium geared Hr he can give them serious trouble.But he ll be in disadvantage against more tanky classes and toons.GWfs , GFs and tanky Tr/Hrs.A partunax based build Gf could clear the enemy glass cannons quickly if taken by surprise but he ll have trouble against tanky classes.
On a side note i tried normal elven and normal thunderhead on pvp.Wasted ad...Don't buy that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>
The new trend is the reflect based Gfs with red/blue glyphs.Sos all the time KV,protector path and guarded assault.Briartwine armor.Unkillable except frozen by your Cw(very difficult).Faced one today.Unkillable.
We and our discussion is already obsolete here !