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drartwhodent
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Can't post in zone or trade chat until level 15?
I understand that this is aimed at the 'gold' spammers, but brand new players are going to be really hurt by this more than them. While I too get frustrated at times over the same questions being asked over and over and over again, especially when the answer(s) are in the quest texts that the questioner(s) have obviously not bothered to fully read, I believe that this new policy may have a deleterious effect upon truly new mmo players that don't know their way around, and may (probably?) cause some to just quit in frustration.
Is it truly so hard to write an algorithm that bans / silences spammers after x number of people 'report spammer' on them?
Or, even better, if they post the EXACT same message that x number of spammers have already been reported for, then ban / silence them even before the rest of us see that spam message again.
This would slow / stop the spammers better, in my opinion, than this new level 15 requirement. Bots can run the tutorials and Foundries to get to 15 too easily. This new policy is NOT going to have any effect in the long run except to chase away new players.
I understand that this is aimed at the 'gold' spammers, but brand new players are going to be really hurt by this more than them. While I too get frustrated at times over the same questions being asked over and over and over again, especially when the answer(s) are in the quest texts that the questioner(s) have obviously not bothered to fully read, I believe that this new policy may have a deleterious effect upon truly new mmo players that don't know their way around, and may (probably?) cause some to just quit in frustration.
Is it truly so hard to write an algorithm that bans / silences spammers after x number of people 'report spammer' on them?
Or, even better, if they post the EXACT same message that x number of spammers have already been reported for, then ban / silence them even before the rest of us see that spam message again.
This would slow / stop the spammers better, in my opinion, than this new level 15 requirement. Bots can run the tutorials and Foundries to get to 15 too easily. This new policy is NOT going to have any effect in the long run except to chase away new players.
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There's, unfortunately, plenty of other global channels (LFG + any number of large public user-created channels) they can turn too though.
I'm not saying a turring test would be a bad thing, but it will not solve the problem, or really even slow it down.
Existing players making new alts probably already have guilds or other channels they already use (if not... you should...). For brand new players -- yes -- I see this as a turn-off, but the vast majority of brand new players will spend the bulk of their time at under 15 getting used to the game rather than just hopping in being social anyway and getting to lvl 15 is not even close to hard. And by that point, a player that has questions will have had a chance to answer the really easy ones on their own anyway.
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Most of the spam in PE has been done by very low level characters, on newly created accounts. I doubt they are going to try to level to 15, only to be reported and banned almost immediately. I could be wrong, however - who knows how much their bosses are paying them to post ads in games all day? Would it be per post, or hourly?
What genuinely new player would ever want to chat in the TRADE channel? As for ZONE chat - it's nothing. So they they chat in the default "Say" channel. NEW players (the same new players the OP speaks of) will want to chat with the player they see virtually standing next to them so zone chat is unnecessary and only adds more confusion.
Seriously: if this is a "concern" of yours then you really just don't give people any intellectual credit at all do you? And if someone actually DOES quit in frustration over some silly non-starter as Zone Chat restriction then chances are that's not a player we want being here to begin with.
Frankly I find it to be a conceited, elitist attitude to even allow such a "concern" to enter your minds. It's "greater than thou" attitude that you're above others because they are so fragile and helpless that they'd get "frustrated' at such a restriction. Seriously, give people the credit they deserve. New players may not all be geniuses like you, but they aren't utter morons, either.
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You seem to be sensitive to elitism in places I don't see it. This thread was just someone's concern for new players. If anything, that makes the OP more compassionate and caring than "elitist." You are confusing me.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
if being over lvl 15 is elitism I think everyone on this game but the spambots are elite then...
If you can reach level 15 in a half-hour, you are exploiting something. Heck it takes a solid 5 minutes just to get through the tutorial if you ignore the NPC chat! Since you don't have a mount, movement is pretty slow at lower levels. It takes another 2 minutes just to get to Sgt. Knox and the guy that gives you your peasant clothes. Then you have to run a couple of PE dungeons and complete the Blacklake District, where you should be about level 9. You would then have to complete the Tower District to reach level 15.
You are exaggerating for impact, which is something that terribly annoys me, since you are quoting this as some sort of fact in response to the OP's statements.
My guess is that with all the slow walking around (no mount) and completing quests as quickly as possible, hitting level 15 should take at least 1.5 hours, if not 2 solid hours of play. Just saying . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
You, too. Quit with the extreme exaggeration. Ugh.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
That's a fair point. If there is elitism I guess it would not be intentional elitism. I am simply saying I think it's unfair to the new user to whom the compassion is being directed at to think so lowly of them that they need the compassion to begin with. But I do take your perspective to heart: you are right that I am unfairly injecting an attitude where there is no conscious affect of it and is my own misdirected observation.
In which case I officially and publicly apologize to you and the OP for inferring something I should not have. Though I still feel the same way, it was wrong of me to phrase it that way, so I'll leave it like this: I think it's unfair and possibly an insult to feel sorry for people when they themselves will feel they don't need to be felt sorry for.
(I think I am becoming too jaded in this place)
I'll tell you, when I first started, I really had no idea what I was doing. I would die all the time even in the beginning Blacklake quests. I did ask questions and got some helpful advice. I don't agree with this change either. It's really a change that hurts the new players merely so that the veterans are slightly less annoyed by gold spammer messages. The correct answer is to go after the spammers, not go after new legit players.
Nice - a breath of realistic fresh air! Thanks!
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Cool! And I can definitely understand about becoming "jaded" here in the forums . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Well said . . . well said.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Anyone who has ever played , like any other mmo in the last twenty years has seen restrictions similar to this, no big deal.
edited add, in fact, thinking about it, it might DO well for players not to hear some of you until lvl 20 =P ...
I joke.. =P
It sounded like genuine concern from the OP to me and it is his opinion. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. However, you make some broad (and negative) assumptions about the OP with your statements. Time to change "what's in your pipe" and get a little more positive about things, like the OP having genuine concern for new players.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Either autocorrect strikes again or we should all be honored to be compared to such a great doctor....
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lol darn u auto-correct, edited to say hypocrites ty
There's a website for that
Anywho, back on topic...
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But frankly I support this, as long as I can still see my guildies talk in guild channel.
Well I've already seen bot spam so clearly it's not really done its job. While there's a clear restriction on legit players. You think out of all the new players that may want to play this game that none will be annoyed at the inability to chat?
And new players will certainly feel very welcome when restrictions like this are placed on them. It really fosters the community when you prevent new people from speaking to the "elite" till they have proven themselves.
You might want to get groups for skirmishes and DD
The real problem is PE, where the spammers have a HUGE audience (=market penetration) due to the forced presence of everyone for banking/mail/Lords dailies and now even for the dragon quests.
Decrease the audience for sub L15 players ... only sub L15 players can read sub L15 players in the starter zone, Blacklake and Tower district. No Zone stuff in PE for sub L15.
Just an idea ... would still expose L15 players to gold spammers, but a smaller market share might already decrease the interest of gold spammers.