myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Any hope of discerning its complete content is now lost . . .
Well, the topic is kinda of vague to be truthful about it. Technically anything goes.
SO... -on topic- Why is the female Dragonborn so darned FUGLY? Don't get me wrong, it can be beautiful in a really fugly kind of way, or maybe that's supposed to be 'fugly in a really beautiful way?. Which I suppose is a good thing.
(Just testing on-topicness of 'anything goes', here).
I thought this was a general discussion thread on the state of the economy, but who knows.
I think we've established one thing very clearly: nobody knows for sure (or at least, nobody can agree) what causes the problem, nor what will fix it. For that matter, probably not even what the "problem" is.
I thought this was a general discussion thread on the state of the economy, but who knows.
I think we've established one thing very clearly: nobody knows for sure (or at least, nobody can agree) what causes the problem, nor what will fix it. For that matter, probably not even what the "problem" is.
The problem is we are trying to figure out solutions without full knowledge of the problem. When this thread started we didn't know about resonators.
The problem is we are trying to figure out solutions without full knowledge of the problem. When this thread started we didn't know about resonators.
There is only one guaranteed solution to the [name your problem] = and I am very serious: time and patience. Things will 'correct' themselves eventually, but never as fast or smoothly as we'd like.
There is only one guaranteed solution to the [name your problem] = and I am very serious: time and patience. Things will 'correct' themselves eventually, but never as fast or smoothly as we'd like.
I will have to respectfully disagree with this. I won't argue, though, because that goes down a long and deep ideological/philosophical path I don't wish to walk on the NW forums.
There is only one guaranteed solution to the [name your problem] = and I am very serious: time and patience. Things will 'correct' themselves eventually, but never as fast or smoothly as we'd like.
There are still 2 big well-known exploiters in the PVP community who abused this for months and are still unbanned.
I believe if Cryptic catches all their accounts, we'd see a big improvement in the economy.
I don't think it will happen since Cryptic isn't exactly knowledgeable of the underground workings of this community.
I thought this was a general discussion thread on the state of the economy, but who knows.
I think we've established one thing very clearly: nobody knows for sure (or at least, nobody can agree) what causes the problem, nor what will fix it. For that matter, probably not even what the "problem" is.
Or if there is even a problem. If more players are forced to buy ZEN for real $$$ to progress then perhaps the system is "Working As Intended?"
I will have to respectfully disagree with this. I won't argue, though, because that goes down a long and deep ideological/philosophical path I don't wish to walk on the NW forums.
The operative word is "guaranteed". if you have an alternative "guaranteed" solution then, by any and all means, do share it with us. You can't. Hence, I rest my case.
The operative word is "guaranteed". if you have an alternative "guaranteed" solution then, by any and all means, do share it with us. You can;t. Hence, I rest my case.
I cannot provide a guaranteed solution, but waiting is not a guaranteed solution. So, the argument is non-unique. Neither of us can provide a sure-fire fix. More on topic,
Or if there is even a problem. If more players are forced to buy ZEN for real $$$ to progress then perhaps the system is "Working As Intended?"
I should hope not. This might bring more revenue to NW in the short-run, but being able to conveniently get Zen is one of the game's larger selling points. People will get frustrated and eventually quit over the state of the economy if it gets too bad, for too long.
I should hope not. This might bring more revenue to NW in the short-run, but being able to conveniently get Zen is one of the game's larger selling points. People will get frustrated and eventually quit over the state of the economy if it gets too bad, for too long.
Yes. This is what happens when the "bubble" bursts. All the current market conditions are slowly building towards this point. I would expect Cryptic to do something before too long -- but they are kinda busy right now LOL.
A healthy game economy would be reflected in the ZAX as a minimal or non-existent backlog, and the price for AD:zen to not be locked at the maximum capped value of 500:1. There are things that can be done... check back a couple pages. Some minor alterations in a couple of items could slowly ease the inflation in the AH back down to normal.
The fact that the devs made keys BOP is proof that they give a HAMSTER, but I can understand why they would not want to make wide sweeping changes all at once. They were probably hoping that the keys thing would put a lid on this thing for a bit, but they still have a little bit more to do here.
Of course there's going to have to be a failsafe so people can do the quest. Say within a week of first logging on after the restrictions have been put in place or whatever. Stop nagging about silly little details that can easily be fixed. I"m a huge fan of sarcasm, I won't deny that. And even if I did, most of my posts would instantly prove me a liar. But at least keep it constructive.
Point is, you stop the bots at the first task they cannot complete and make that silently mandatory to lift chat and map restrictions. Any normal player brings the crown back to Knox at least once on his account or is able to do so. Anything that cannot, yet passed blacklake and has zen/AD tons of enchantments, is suspect to bot activity. New productive bots cannot be created and if they move their bots to blacklake they'll never leave again.
You miss the point entirely. Behind any bot is a HUMAN. Any human can do the quest. So your bot detection is worth nothing, except to kick out legit players, who don't do this quest.
You miss the point entirely. Behind any bot is a HUMAN. Any human can do the quest. So your bot detection is worth nothing, except to kick out legit players, who don't do this quest.
Good job.
Every bot requires some setup, and doing the quest might simply become part of that setup. It won't win the war. It will only make things slightly more annoying for bot runners (it's still a once-in-a-while action), and a lot more annoying for real people that don't want to do the storyline.
Bots probably can't run the tutorial as well (or if they can, then they can do the crown part as well), and AFAIK it isn't skippable...
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Wow , so it's over 8 million backlog now? so that means it went up over 500k in less than a day xD
I get that it should be expected to wait a few days to exchange AD for zen and we were probably spoiled for the first couple of modules when we could get exchange rates at 350/1 and stuff but this seems to be getting completely out of control now.
8 Million is low. its been just over 13 million on Dragon for a few days now
I really don't see the economy recovering from this as Cryptic has not shown any signs of ending the further push towards P2W like we saw with the Icewind dale update.
In another thread people have noticed the ZAX has stabilized (even if not 'balanced' just yet) and that prices in Auction House are falling. My reply to that comment is fitting here also I think, so here it is - mostly in response to AH Prices beginning to decline:
This means the value of AD is increasing again. And when it has increased enough I will have interest again. I can't speak intentionally for others, but I know I do when I say I have a LOT of Zen sitting around doing nothing. But nothing of interest in the Zen Market right now and AD does't have enough worth (and no: I do NOT exploit other players by circumventing ZAX through Zen market). Lower prices in the AH means higher value for AD, which means it eventually comes back in-line with the value of Zen. That's when the backlog will start correcting itself.
So currently $1 is worth 50,000 AD (at 500:1 AD:Zen).
Therefore it's $10 for a 500,000 Armor set. But if it drops to 50,000 (exaggeration, I know) - it now only costs $1 instead of $10 - now I'm interested in actually buying. So I'll trade my Zen for the AD to buy that 50,000 Armor, but no way in hell for a 500,000 Armor. (Just examples to make my point).
Hence: AH Pricing stabilization without inflation creates a healthy ZAX, which seems to be what many are using as the benchmark for their purview of economic health.
In another thread people have noticed the ZAX has stabilized (even if not 'balanced' just yet) and that prices in Auction House are falling. My reply to that comment is fitting here also I think, so here it is - mostly in response to AH Prices beginning to decline:
The largest falls in prices in the AH has been in 'farmable' enchants, which suggests to me that the goldsellers are simply running more enchant bots now that their supply of infinite AD from the previous exploit has been (probably) stopped..
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Any hope of discerning its complete content is now lost . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Well, the topic is kinda of vague to be truthful about it. Technically anything goes.
SO... -on topic- Why is the female Dragonborn so darned FUGLY? Don't get me wrong, it can be beautiful in a really fugly kind of way, or maybe that's supposed to be 'fugly in a really beautiful way?. Which I suppose is a good thing.
(Just testing on-topicness of 'anything goes', here).
I think we've established one thing very clearly: nobody knows for sure (or at least, nobody can agree) what causes the problem, nor what will fix it. For that matter, probably not even what the "problem" is.
The problem is we are trying to figure out solutions without full knowledge of the problem. When this thread started we didn't know about resonators.
There is only one guaranteed solution to the [name your problem] = and I am very serious: time and patience. Things will 'correct' themselves eventually, but never as fast or smoothly as we'd like.
I will have to respectfully disagree with this. I won't argue, though, because that goes down a long and deep ideological/philosophical path I don't wish to walk on the NW forums.
There are still 2 big well-known exploiters in the PVP community who abused this for months and are still unbanned.
I believe if Cryptic catches all their accounts, we'd see a big improvement in the economy.
I don't think it will happen since Cryptic isn't exactly knowledgeable of the underground workings of this community.
Or if there is even a problem. If more players are forced to buy ZEN for real $$$ to progress then perhaps the system is "Working As Intended?"
The operative word is "guaranteed". if you have an alternative "guaranteed" solution then, by any and all means, do share it with us. You can't. Hence, I rest my case.
I cannot provide a guaranteed solution, but waiting is not a guaranteed solution. So, the argument is non-unique. Neither of us can provide a sure-fire fix. More on topic,
I should hope not. This might bring more revenue to NW in the short-run, but being able to conveniently get Zen is one of the game's larger selling points. People will get frustrated and eventually quit over the state of the economy if it gets too bad, for too long.
Yes. This is what happens when the "bubble" bursts. All the current market conditions are slowly building towards this point. I would expect Cryptic to do something before too long -- but they are kinda busy right now LOL.
A healthy game economy would be reflected in the ZAX as a minimal or non-existent backlog, and the price for AD:zen to not be locked at the maximum capped value of 500:1. There are things that can be done... check back a couple pages. Some minor alterations in a couple of items could slowly ease the inflation in the AH back down to normal.
The fact that the devs made keys BOP is proof that they give a HAMSTER, but I can understand why they would not want to make wide sweeping changes all at once. They were probably hoping that the keys thing would put a lid on this thing for a bit, but they still have a little bit more to do here.
You miss the point entirely. Behind any bot is a HUMAN. Any human can do the quest. So your bot detection is worth nothing, except to kick out legit players, who don't do this quest.
Good job.
Every bot requires some setup, and doing the quest might simply become part of that setup. It won't win the war. It will only make things slightly more annoying for bot runners (it's still a once-in-a-while action), and a lot more annoying for real people that don't want to do the storyline.
Bots probably can't run the tutorial as well (or if they can, then they can do the crown part as well), and AFAIK it isn't skippable...
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?84841
leading to the assumption that the length of a thread is indirectly proportional to it's informational content.
8 Million is low. its been just over 13 million on Dragon for a few days now
I really don't see the economy recovering from this as Cryptic has not shown any signs of ending the further push towards P2W like we saw with the Icewind dale update.
This means the value of AD is increasing again. And when it has increased enough I will have interest again. I can't speak intentionally for others, but I know I do when I say I have a LOT of Zen sitting around doing nothing. But nothing of interest in the Zen Market right now and AD does't have enough worth (and no: I do NOT exploit other players by circumventing ZAX through Zen market). Lower prices in the AH means higher value for AD, which means it eventually comes back in-line with the value of Zen. That's when the backlog will start correcting itself.
So currently $1 is worth 50,000 AD (at 500:1 AD:Zen).
Therefore it's $10 for a 500,000 Armor set. But if it drops to 50,000 (exaggeration, I know) - it now only costs $1 instead of $10 - now I'm interested in actually buying. So I'll trade my Zen for the AD to buy that 50,000 Armor, but no way in hell for a 500,000 Armor. (Just examples to make my point).
Hence: AH Pricing stabilization without inflation creates a healthy ZAX, which seems to be what many are using as the benchmark for their purview of economic health.
Just saying.
The largest falls in prices in the AH has been in 'farmable' enchants, which suggests to me that the goldsellers are simply running more enchant bots now that their supply of infinite AD from the previous exploit has been (probably) stopped..
Well yes obviously 8 million is low , the post you quoted was from two weeks ago lol