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I'm confused by Astral Deva's active bonus.

isammaxisammax Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 121 Bounty Hunter
edited August 2014 in PvE Discussion
Description does not say that bonus "Affects companion":

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/6006693-limited-time-offer%3A-astral-deva-companion

This is really confusing, because after the first look I automatically assumed that it affects player. And if it does not affect player it's very disappointing for that price.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It affects the summoned companion (except stones).
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Well met,

    . . . It says in the item's tool-tip,
    "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active." So, in this case with the Astral Deva, that means it applies only when the Astral Deva is Active and then only to the Companion that it is summoned. Hope that helps!

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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    /snip

    So this is a companion who's active bonus only applies to itself? I think that you're conflating "active" - being present in one of your three to five active companion slots, and "summoned" - being the companion who is out at the moment.

    Either way, this would be a good description to have clarified to ensure that there is no confusion that it does NOT apply to the player.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It applies to ANY summoned companion - but only the companion, not to you. There are other companions with the same active bonus so it's not a new thing.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    So this is a companion who's active bonus only applies to itself? I think that you're conflating "active" - being present in one of your three to five active companion slots, and "summoned" - being the companion who is out at the moment.

    Either way, this would be a good description to have clarified to ensure that there is no confusion that it does NOT apply to the player.

    Read what angrysprite said. I don't see how it could be any clearer in the description.

    "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active."

    As long as the Astral Deva is in an active slot your summoned companion will gain the effects of the active bonus.
  • letojarred1letojarred1 Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    so 10% chance to heal 600 hp (assuming you have 20khp oh no! companions, only got 15kless :))
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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Read what angrysprite said. I don't see how it could be any clearer in the description.

    "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active."

    As long as the Astral Deva is in an active slot your summoned companion will gain the effects of the active bonus.

    Red what Zeb said and what I was replying to.
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The problem stems from the confusion between the bonus applying to your SUMMONED companion while the Astral Deva is ACTIVE; In this context, "active" simply means it must be in an active companion slot, not necessarily summoned.
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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    bioshrike wrote: »
    The problem stems from the confusion between the bonus applying to your SUMMONED companion while the Astral Deva is ACTIVE; In this context, "active" simply means it must be in an active companion slot, not necessarily summoned.

    Right, that is the error I believe Zeb made - albeit with the best of intentions.
    This would be a good companion to have a note (similar to the one the boar) that explicitly says "bonus applies to companions only."
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    I'm really not sure how I wrote that so wrong. Ambi nudged me and I even had to have him point it before I even read any replies... *old mage scratches his head*

    In anycase, I corrected my wording.
  • mole90mole90 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1
    edited August 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    Well met,

    . . . It says in the item's tool-tip,
    "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active." So, in this case with the Astral Deva, that means it applies only when the Astral Deva is Active and then only to the Companion that it is summoned. Hope that helps!

    Safe travels,
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    I bought the bonus pack and even though the belt is unlocked, the astral sea belt from the bonus pack wont equip on the companion.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    mole90 wrote: »
    I bought the bonus pack and even though the belt is unlocked, the astral sea belt from the bonus pack wont equip on the companion.
    Please post this in Bug Reports also or make an in-game Bug Report. In any-case, I'll leave a note for my Community Managers in the morning when they get in. Thanks!

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  • djarkaandjarkaan Member Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So I bought one and although I have not tested it, I'm hoping that my dot dmg cw will keep him alive through a whole dungeon crawl. *fingers crossed*
  • escapados2escapados2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Zebular as moderator closed my thread "Misleading description of Astral Deva" not paying attention to details in it.
    He even placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
    But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
    I usually expect from moderators more than this.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    just useless dont buy it
  • flyingleonflyingleon Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    escapados2 wrote: »
    Zebular as moderator closed my thread "Misleading description of Astral Deva" not paying attention to details in it.
    He even placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
    But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
    I usually expect from moderators more than this.

    Personally I think you have the right to ask Cryptic to return your zen. 'Affects Companion' should be there. In any case, this is a Crypic's mistake without doubts. This could be a misunderstanding. If they refuse to return your zen, it is a cheating.

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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    escapados2 wrote: »
    Zebular placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
    But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
    You are mistaken, it is in the same place:
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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Please note that the Damaran Shepherd clearly states "Affect Companion" immediately after where it says "Active Bonus." It would be both good and fair (as well as consistent) if all similar companion bonuses (that only affect companions) had the same sort of labeling.

    Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.
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  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.

    Yep, it is a consistency problem, we were used to have "Affects companion" in white text before anything else (because it was the most important thing to know, since few people ever uses non-augments), then it was simply removed.

    I purchased this companion too without noticing (thinking it had an awesome active bonus), but since I'm kind of companion collector I don't care much.

    I'd also like to have non-augments somehow become useful in the main game (not only SCA, as that one makes both equipment and powers irrelevant), maybe with a dedicated game mode (some kind of a turn-based dungeon game mode where actual powers are used).
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    Please note that the Damaran Shepherd clearly states "Affect Companion" immediately after where it says "Active Bonus." It would be both good and fair (as well as consistent) if all similar companion bonuses (that only affect companions) had the same sort of labeling.

    Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.
    Ah, I see. I have never noticed that before on the Damaran Shepherd. Thanks!
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    Ah, I see. I have never noticed that before on the Damaran Shepherd. Thanks!

    No worries, I think that is precisely the point of confusion for some players.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mole90 wrote: »
    I bought the bonus pack and even though the belt is unlocked, the astral sea belt from the bonus pack wont equip on the companion.

    Make the companion inactive then active again.
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  • scammerzascammerza Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm sure this labelling inconsistency is to make some extra money off people who don't read the fine print. All signs show that cryptic is trying every way they can to squeeze money out of players. One day we will be watching adversing videos when entering dungeons... Cryptic should be more creative with revenue generation.
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I am most confused by the Astral Deva's relationship preference . . . That guy is looking pretty non-hetero to me . . . :)
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    myowmyow wrote: »
    I am most confused by the Astral Deva's relationship preference . . . That guy is looking pretty non-hetero to me . . . :)

    Seriously, that's offensive. The smiley face doesn't make it better.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Seriously, that's offensive. The smiley face doesn't make it better.

    Sometimes truth hurts. And the comment you found offensive is just that: truth. But these forums are loaded with comments and statements that will always offend someone. Fortunately there is no constitutional restriction against such in the United States, where these forums are hosted and served from.

    Now, generally speaking (to everyone) -

    Personally I despise political correctness and bastardizing the english language to soften anything for the over-sensitive types. Because there is no constitutional protection against being offended. Fact: the Deva Companion looks like a pretty-boy. No one here mentioned anything wrong with that, only the observation they it looks like a pretty-boy. And it does look like a pretty-boy. If you choose to infer that pretty-boy is a derogatory term, then you may have some issues.

    No smily-face.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Yeah, the deva is beefcake. No big.

    I lead a LGBT-friendly guild. The suggestion that the deva being beefcake is in some way suspect or not-quite-right is insulting.
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  • dragoness10dragoness10 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 780 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    He breathes fast. That's a classic pageboy cut with sideswept bangs.

    A deva is not a diva, if that clears anything up.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Yeah, the deva is beefcake. No big.

    I lead a LGBT-friendly guild. The suggestion that the deva being beefcake is in some way suspect or not-quite-right is insulting.

    I agree if that were the case it would be insulting. However, and in fairness - I think you are more sensitive to such and tend to take things a bit more between the lines than there are lines to be looked between. Fact: it looks like a pretty boy. Fact: typical "pretty boys" sexual orientation is not a definitive foregone conclusion. However, stating that it is an undefined foregone conclusion should not be taken as an insult. It is a simp, statement-of-fact.

    Now, whether that particular subject and statement is called-for is another story altogether. It probably wash;t the best way to frame the context, but the context is still relevant: it looks like a pretty boy. I could;t care any less about that (I'm thinking a cupid-like creature, actually).

    My only point: it's best practices to at least try not to take offense where there is an absence of it explicitly. Yes: smily face on my last statement. :)
    He breathes fast. That's a classic pageboy cut with sideswept bangs.

    A deva is not a diva, if that clears anything up.

    I concur. However, when people confuse "mute" when they mean "moot" and and write "rouge" when they mean "rogue" - I have to say I do have concerns.
  • escapados2escapados2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    flyingleon wrote: »
    Personally I think you have the right to ask Cryptic to return your zen. 'Affects Companion' should be there. In any case, this is a Crypic's mistake without doubts. This could be a misunderstanding. If they refuse to return your zen, it is a cheating.

    I've contacted Customer Support about this issue, however there reaction was exactly like Zebularsat the beginning, before he understanded what we all talking about.
    Below is responce from Customer Support
    I understand you have a feedback regarding the new companion. The Astral Deva's description has not been altered. You can check the item again on both Zen Market as well as the wiki
    The statement of the Astral Deva's abilities and bonuses are quite clear that it only affects the companions. The fonts used on the statement are for highlighting as well as isolating both effects and application. We apologize if you have misunderstood it.

    We do appreciate your feedback and we would like to encourage you to kindly start a discussion regarding your concern on our official forum as this would be a good topic to discuss with the other players and moderators
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