This is really confusing, because after the first look I automatically assumed that it affects player. And if it does not affect player it's very disappointing for that price.
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited July 2014
Well met,
. . . It says in the item's tool-tip, "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active." So, in this case with the Astral Deva, that means it applies only when the Astral Deva is Active and then only to the Companion that it is summoned. Hope that helps!
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So this is a companion who's active bonus only applies to itself? I think that you're conflating "active" - being present in one of your three to five active companion slots, and "summoned" - being the companion who is out at the moment.
Either way, this would be a good description to have clarified to ensure that there is no confusion that it does NOT apply to the player.
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It applies to ANY summoned companion - but only the companion, not to you. There are other companions with the same active bonus so it's not a new thing.
So this is a companion who's active bonus only applies to itself? I think that you're conflating "active" - being present in one of your three to five active companion slots, and "summoned" - being the companion who is out at the moment.
Either way, this would be a good description to have clarified to ensure that there is no confusion that it does NOT apply to the player.
Read what angrysprite said. I don't see how it could be any clearer in the description.
"Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active."
As long as the Astral Deva is in an active slot your summoned companion will gain the effects of the active bonus.
Read what angrysprite said. I don't see how it could be any clearer in the description.
"Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active."
As long as the Astral Deva is in an active slot your summoned companion will gain the effects of the active bonus.
Red what Zeb said and what I was replying to.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2014
The problem stems from the confusion between the bonus applying to your SUMMONED companion while the Astral Deva is ACTIVE; In this context, "active" simply means it must be in an active companion slot, not necessarily summoned.
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The problem stems from the confusion between the bonus applying to your SUMMONED companion while the Astral Deva is ACTIVE; In this context, "active" simply means it must be in an active companion slot, not necessarily summoned.
Right, that is the error I believe Zeb made - albeit with the best of intentions.
This would be a good companion to have a note (similar to the one the boar) that explicitly says "bonus applies to companions only."
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited July 2014
I'm really not sure how I wrote that so wrong. Ambi nudged me and I even had to have him point it before I even read any replies... *old mage scratches his head*
. . . It says in the item's tool-tip, "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active." So, in this case with the Astral Deva, that means it applies only when the Astral Deva is Active and then only to the Companion that it is summoned. Hope that helps!
Safe travels,
Archmage Zebular of Mystryl PWE Community Moderator
I bought the bonus pack and even though the belt is unlocked, the astral sea belt from the bonus pack wont equip on the companion.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I bought the bonus pack and even though the belt is unlocked, the astral sea belt from the bonus pack wont equip on the companion.
Please post this in Bug Reports also or make an in-game Bug Report. In any-case, I'll leave a note for my Community Managers in the morning when they get in. Thanks!
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Zebular as moderator closed my thread "Misleading description of Astral Deva" not paying attention to details in it.
He even placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
I usually expect from moderators more than this.
Zebular as moderator closed my thread "Misleading description of Astral Deva" not paying attention to details in it.
He even placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
I usually expect from moderators more than this.
Personally I think you have the right to ask Cryptic to return your zen. 'Affects Companion' should be there. In any case, this is a Crypic's mistake without doubts. This could be a misunderstanding. If they refuse to return your zen, it is a cheating.
Zebular placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
Please note that the Damaran Shepherd clearly states "Affect Companion" immediately after where it says "Active Bonus." It would be both good and fair (as well as consistent) if all similar companion bonuses (that only affect companions) had the same sort of labeling.
Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.
The right to command is earned through duty, the privilege of rank is service.
Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.
Yep, it is a consistency problem, we were used to have "Affects companion" in white text before anything else (because it was the most important thing to know, since few people ever uses non-augments), then it was simply removed.
I purchased this companion too without noticing (thinking it had an awesome active bonus), but since I'm kind of companion collector I don't care much.
I'd also like to have non-augments somehow become useful in the main game (not only SCA, as that one makes both equipment and powers irrelevant), maybe with a dedicated game mode (some kind of a turn-based dungeon game mode where actual powers are used).
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Please note that the Damaran Shepherd clearly states "Affect Companion" immediately after where it says "Active Bonus." It would be both good and fair (as well as consistent) if all similar companion bonuses (that only affect companions) had the same sort of labeling.
Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.
Ah, I see. I have never noticed that before on the Damaran Shepherd. Thanks!
I'm sure this labelling inconsistency is to make some extra money off people who don't read the fine print. All signs show that cryptic is trying every way they can to squeeze money out of players. One day we will be watching adversing videos when entering dungeons... Cryptic should be more creative with revenue generation.
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Seriously, that's offensive. The smiley face doesn't make it better.
Sometimes truth hurts. And the comment you found offensive is just that: truth. But these forums are loaded with comments and statements that will always offend someone. Fortunately there is no constitutional restriction against such in the United States, where these forums are hosted and served from.
Now, generally speaking (to everyone) -
Personally I despise political correctness and bastardizing the english language to soften anything for the over-sensitive types. Because there is no constitutional protection against being offended. Fact: the Deva Companion looks like a pretty-boy. No one here mentioned anything wrong with that, only the observation they it looks like a pretty-boy. And it does look like a pretty-boy. If you choose to infer that pretty-boy is a derogatory term, then you may have some issues.
I lead a LGBT-friendly guild. The suggestion that the deva being beefcake is in some way suspect or not-quite-right is insulting.
I agree if that were the case it would be insulting. However, and in fairness - I think you are more sensitive to such and tend to take things a bit more between the lines than there are lines to be looked between. Fact: it looks like a pretty boy. Fact: typical "pretty boys" sexual orientation is not a definitive foregone conclusion. However, stating that it is an undefined foregone conclusion should not be taken as an insult. It is a simp, statement-of-fact.
Now, whether that particular subject and statement is called-for is another story altogether. It probably wash;t the best way to frame the context, but the context is still relevant: it looks like a pretty boy. I could;t care any less about that (I'm thinking a cupid-like creature, actually).
My only point: it's best practices to at least try not to take offense where there is an absence of it explicitly. Yes: smily face on my last statement.
Personally I think you have the right to ask Cryptic to return your zen. 'Affects Companion' should be there. In any case, this is a Crypic's mistake without doubts. This could be a misunderstanding. If they refuse to return your zen, it is a cheating.
I've contacted Customer Support about this issue, however there reaction was exactly like Zebularsat the beginning, before he understanded what we all talking about.
Below is responce from Customer Support
I understand you have a feedback regarding the new companion. The Astral Deva's description has not been altered. You can check the item again on both Zen Market as well as the wiki
The statement of the Astral Deva's abilities and bonuses are quite clear that it only affects the companions. The fonts used on the statement are for highlighting as well as isolating both effects and application. We apologize if you have misunderstood it.
We do appreciate your feedback and we would like to encourage you to kindly start a discussion regarding your concern on our official forum as this would be a good topic to discuss with the other players and moderators
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. . . It says in the item's tool-tip, "Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active." So, in this case with the Astral Deva, that means it applies only when the Astral Deva is Active and then only to the Companion that it is summoned. Hope that helps!
Safe travels,
Archmage Zebular of Mystryl
PWE Community Moderator
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So this is a companion who's active bonus only applies to itself? I think that you're conflating "active" - being present in one of your three to five active companion slots, and "summoned" - being the companion who is out at the moment.
Either way, this would be a good description to have clarified to ensure that there is no confusion that it does NOT apply to the player.
Read what angrysprite said. I don't see how it could be any clearer in the description.
"Applies to your summoned companion as long as this companion is active."
As long as the Astral Deva is in an active slot your summoned companion will gain the effects of the active bonus.
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Red what Zeb said and what I was replying to.
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Right, that is the error I believe Zeb made - albeit with the best of intentions.
This would be a good companion to have a note (similar to the one the boar) that explicitly says "bonus applies to companions only."
In anycase, I corrected my wording.
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I bought the bonus pack and even though the belt is unlocked, the astral sea belt from the bonus pack wont equip on the companion.
Safe travels,
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PWE Community Moderator
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He even placed some screenshots telling that everything is in the same place as before.
But if he checked them he will notice that in his Damaran Sepherd after Active bonus we can see clearly: Affects Companion but in Astral Deva there is no such notice.
I usually expect from moderators more than this.
Personally I think you have the right to ask Cryptic to return your zen. 'Affects Companion' should be there. In any case, this is a Crypic's mistake without doubts. This could be a misunderstanding. If they refuse to return your zen, it is a cheating.
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Zeb, perhaps you could mention it to some folks that having someone do an editing pass for consistency would be a good idea and certainly more user-friendly.
Yep, it is a consistency problem, we were used to have "Affects companion" in white text before anything else (because it was the most important thing to know, since few people ever uses non-augments), then it was simply removed.
I purchased this companion too without noticing (thinking it had an awesome active bonus), but since I'm kind of companion collector I don't care much.
I'd also like to have non-augments somehow become useful in the main game (not only SCA, as that one makes both equipment and powers irrelevant), maybe with a dedicated game mode (some kind of a turn-based dungeon game mode where actual powers are used).
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No worries, I think that is precisely the point of confusion for some players.
Make the companion inactive then active again.
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myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Seriously, that's offensive. The smiley face doesn't make it better.
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Sometimes truth hurts. And the comment you found offensive is just that: truth. But these forums are loaded with comments and statements that will always offend someone. Fortunately there is no constitutional restriction against such in the United States, where these forums are hosted and served from.
Now, generally speaking (to everyone) -
Personally I despise political correctness and bastardizing the english language to soften anything for the over-sensitive types. Because there is no constitutional protection against being offended. Fact: the Deva Companion looks like a pretty-boy. No one here mentioned anything wrong with that, only the observation they it looks like a pretty-boy. And it does look like a pretty-boy. If you choose to infer that pretty-boy is a derogatory term, then you may have some issues.
No smily-face.
I lead a LGBT-friendly guild. The suggestion that the deva being beefcake is in some way suspect or not-quite-right is insulting.
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A deva is not a diva, if that clears anything up.
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I agree if that were the case it would be insulting. However, and in fairness - I think you are more sensitive to such and tend to take things a bit more between the lines than there are lines to be looked between. Fact: it looks like a pretty boy. Fact: typical "pretty boys" sexual orientation is not a definitive foregone conclusion. However, stating that it is an undefined foregone conclusion should not be taken as an insult. It is a simp, statement-of-fact.
Now, whether that particular subject and statement is called-for is another story altogether. It probably wash;t the best way to frame the context, but the context is still relevant: it looks like a pretty boy. I could;t care any less about that (I'm thinking a cupid-like creature, actually).
My only point: it's best practices to at least try not to take offense where there is an absence of it explicitly. Yes: smily face on my last statement.
I concur. However, when people confuse "mute" when they mean "moot" and and write "rouge" when they mean "rogue" - I have to say I do have concerns.
I've contacted Customer Support about this issue, however there reaction was exactly like Zebularsat the beginning, before he understanded what we all talking about.
Below is responce from Customer Support