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Cut the CC out of pvp. This is getting stupid.
ysil6969
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There is WAY to much cc in pvp. A fight pretty much amounts to two classes stunlocking you and focusing you down. Or you and another teammate stunlocks someone and focuses them down. It's stupid. There's no gameplay there, it's all just cc and pound. Imo this makes pvp really really boring.
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It's gonna change in m4 though.
WTB Class Reroll please
What you will find is the top 3 classes in PVP have both CC immunity and CC
GWF
TR
HR
I play with DC.
if GWF and CW attack me... I better go make a coffee. if they have very low GS, I might bake some muffins as well
GWF, CW, GF all have way too much CC. and with a very simple nooob rotation they will take half of your HP while you wont be able to move
I am not a big fan of perma TR or bugged HR, but fighting them is less frustrating then die without retaliate
If there was no CC you could not interrupt, root, slow, stun, or prone. Without that option PvP becomes two people standing infront of eachother holding autoattack and pushing damage encounters. CC breaks, and dodges would be piontless, taking away yet another aspect of skilled play.
CC allows for skill to come into play in many different ways. When do you interrupt? What abilities should you avoid this way? It allows an avenue for squishies to team up on tankies and take them out in a reasonable amount of time, which would not be possible without CC. It allows ranged classes to Kite melee, and gives melee classes a chance to catch ranged.
Without CC PvP would be skillless and empty. It is a necessary component, doing away with it would destroy competitive PvP almost completely.
You may not have been around pre-tenacity, but if you were, you would know that PvP has gone downhill since. The main reason for this is they buffed durability, while at the same time nerfing CC. You will be hard pressed to find someone who PvPd heavily pre tenacity that disagrees with this.
CC should be limited for sure, nothing is more frustrating then being locked down in PvP for an extended period of time, but if its 2v1 and you are getting chain stunned.... thats fair... its 2v1, you should not win. However if you save your dodges/stun breaks and use them wisely you CAN come out on top. Thats where CC is beautiful, if a class needs their CC, then you always have the ability to take that away through skillfull play allowing you to win in a situation when you technically should not. This would not happen as often or be nearly as satisfying without CC.
People complained, they nerfed CC, PvP suffered. They are nerfing CC even more come mod4, the game will suffer more. You have to step outside of your personal experience sometimes and look at the bigger picture for the greater good.
Nerfing CC hurts everybody and does not generally help those that asked for it, they still get the HAMSTER kicked out of them because CC wasn't the problem, their play, or their teams play was.
I must have missed it last 6 months playing HR!
Dont give out false information just to say something!
I got to ask this... umm... since when does HR have CC immunity? They have a daily that if you put points in it makes you CC immune, BUT YOU ALSO CANT DO ANYTHING WHILE ITS UP!
If youre judging classes by CC immunity and CC, does:
GF have both CC and CC immunity(prones/villain's menace/block)?
CW have both CC and CC immunity(do I even have to explain CWs CC powers?, and they have Maelstrom of Chaos, not to mention the best cc immune timeframe dodge)?
No, the real reason the top 3 pvp classes ARE the top 3 is one shared investment: survivability. They share the ability to have some form of tanky build, and yes, 2 of them have CC immunities. But of those 3, only 1 of them has significant CC immunity(GWF). The HR/TR turns to survivability in the form of stealth(TR), and deflection healing based build(HR with pvp set).
-GWFs have Unstoppable with more than enough prone/stunlock combos
-TRs stealth, tankiness(by means of ITC, permastealth)
-HRs have tanky builds, and can still output damage like GWF(Not to mention one of the most mobile gameplay styles currently in the game)
By all means, call out the 3 top pvp classes, idc. But at least call them out for the right reasons...
ROFL! MoC is absolutely useless.
I've heard more and more people claim that HR have their own version of ITC, I wish I knew where the bad information was coming from.
some use repel... meh.
Anyway. there is so much immunity ingame.. which almost makes CW useless in PVP! just check out leaderboard.
I wonder what mod4 will do on CW. (nerf moar!!)
Best 1 v 1 class = HR
HR > GWF > TR > CW/GF>DC
No wonder not many ppl play CW................... (topplayers in pvp)
All reroll HR/GWF.
Well, nobody is 100% CC inmunity all the time. but if I'm not wrong, the 6 dodges, Forest Meditation and Fox Shift grant CC inmunity.
Ohh look, someone mad with CW's nerfs... Sorry m8 but giving out 100k of damage on AOE is not healthy either... Besides, a good CW can win the game for the team. If you are trying to CC everyone while they are using their immunities... Sorry m8, but you s*ck.
"No wonder not many ppl play CW" - You made me LOL... I see more CW than HR, TR, GF and DC's!
Again, sorry m8, but the nerf was needed.
Have a nice day
Needed for what?
Dungeon balance! Go see the "LFG" chat, all spammed with wanted CWs and NONE TRs, GFs or even HRs!
Current PVE balance:
CW: Absolutely needed
GWF: Needed for tanking
GF: Not needed
TR: Not needed
DC: Wanted but not needed (cuz GWF can take all the damage they want and be K)
HR: Not needed
Want me to continue m8? This is not balance at all, dungeons are the main resource of good equipment and most classes have trouble getting in groups to do so.
this post written by a player that probably didn't manage to play PVP because some classes have way too much CC
I am in the same problem...
some ppl say you need to keep your dodge and learn how to play, well if you think you are that smart plz start a DC bring it to level 60 and try PVP. (try being a luskan if you think you can master the art of dodging)
there are many things that can improve PVP, class balance, reward at icewind, maybe even bring the option of PVP to the foundry for new maps + adds
but again, for this thread, I totally agree. please reduce CC so it will be possible to play
There's you problem: stop reading LFG. These are just people looking for the fastest, easiest farming groups.
The only way to balance classes is to make them exactly the same.
I've run plenty of dungeons without a CW and I've run them without a GWF. All dungeons need is AoE DPS. Nerfing AoE DPS is no way to make single target DPSers, DCs or GFs needed more. All it will do is require more AoE DPSers in groups.
Granted, I've never beat CN without a CW, but neither have I beat it without a DC.
FH and SP are hard to do without a GF, unless everyone outgears the dungeon.
My DC and TR have no problems finding groups, though I DDs with my TR are not fun.
You prove my point anyways, means that these classes are unbalanced for PVE, thats why they are FASTER, because they could just be stacked and they would make the dungeon alone themselves.
FH and SP WERE hard to do without a GF but cryptic had to nerf the ammount of adds because there was too much lag going on. Now its just easy...
I have a TR to wich is decently geared and the only way I can get into a DD dungeon is either: Player VT/MC (They are wanted there); only 10mins left to the end of DD and groups can't find anyone else at the time; Premade a party. Ofcourse there are certain exceptions but, its the general idea.
Your DC having no problems finding groups is because every group wants one, they just go without one because they know that there are not enough DC's for every party, but if you ask them, its like insta-invite.
I've had people saying "sorry, TR's suck for dungeons, I need a decent DPS class", and I went like... "What the hell m8, how'd you feel if I said that to your class?" *No answer*
How the balance in this game should be:
CW: Medium Damage, High Control, Low Mobility, Low Res = 7/8
TR: High Damage, Low Control, Medium Mobility, Low Res = 7/6
GWF: Medium Damage, Low Control, Medium Mobility, Medium Res = 7/9
GF: Low Damage, Medium Control, Low Mobility, High Res = 7/6
DC: Low Damage, Medium Control, Low Mobility, Medium Res + Heals = 7/7
HR: Medium Damage, Low Control, High Mobility, Low Res = 7/7
Low = 1
Medium = 2
High = 3
Heals = 1
All stats added toguether should be 7
*What is wrong right now should be as blue*
Thing is, other than forest meditation daily, THEY HAVE NOTHING!
No cc immunity. I don't even consider forest meditation daily cc immunity, BECAUSE YOU CANT ATTACK OR DO ANYTHING WHILE YOURE USING IT!!!
I know that. Just proving a point with that guy's post. Hes judging pvp based on CC AND CC immunity...
Ah, yet another mad TR who wants TR and no other class to be top dog... sigh. Maybe newer TRs don't realize this, but there was a reason they've been NERFED SINCE BETA.
TR used to have:
high dps output
-single target dps by FAR outshined GWF(part of the reason GWFs were garbage in beta)
-stealth made you able to not need a DC as much as other classes(permastealth, and you could solo dungeons(still can)!)
-aoe dps wasn't horrible(path of blades wasn't as weakened either)
-the original "1 shot" class!
Not justifying how FAR the nerfs to TRs have been, just realizing WHY they were put in the first place...
Actually, Fox's Shift offers a BRIEF cc immunity phase, forgot about that. But its not nearly as long as ITC. Not to mention horrid damage now, due to the whining of TRs/CWs/GWFs of "OMG SOMETHING CAN DO AS MUCH DAMAGE AS ME, RAWR NERF TO GROUND!!!"
spot on .
+1
GWF/TR/HR have both CC abilities aswell some sort of CC immunity.
As for the HR that some metioned that has not CC abilities.Going into stealth and dodging to be revealled 60 feet from you.To me that is some CC immunity in a wide meaning of the word.You cannot CC something you cannot see or touch.
TR the same.Hell even his att wills(DF) gives him stun immunity.Not to mention stealth ,ITc.
GWF.What to say.The master of both CC and immunity.Endless prones,stuns,and every 10 secs going into god mode gaining 50% more dr,adding to the existing 40% DR and his 30% Deflect(14% of one of his feat lmao)
Again: the only way to make each class equally balanced, is to take 5 of them out of the game. Otherwise balance is just a fairy tale. There will always be more and less useful classes. TRs should never have been nerfed, and neither should CWs and GWFs.
Meh, i haven't noticed any fewer adds.
Join a guild or the legit channel. Or start your own. My TR has never been turned down for a group. You're obviously trying to group with idiots.
That's pretty arbitrary.
Only a TR should be high damage?? Lol, it's not hard to see which class you play.
Going by D&D, both wizards and clerics should be high damage, high control. (FYI damage=control). In the Forgotten Realms, wizards can wipe out armies.
Don't argue with that at all. Should have some bit of balance in between. I don't need to have my GWF pushing 12k at will(talking about threatening rush, right?), and TRs should have better. Just that it was the opposite side of the coin pre mod 2. GWF was garbage(look at him now), TR was awesome(look at him now).