Just another Day of a GF's live in Neverwinter.

finmakin · July 2014

Today i decided to do a couple of Kessels retreat runs with my Tank, you need to know that im a real tank, not a Tank who tries to DPS.. and devenatly not a GWF wannabe Tank, but thats another story. Im quite wel capable to get aggro and mantain that troughout the whole fight while buffing the group in the mean time with Combat advantage and into the Frey.
So i used que for the runs and got grouped with a DC, CW, TR and a GWF.. I thought well, that can be a nice group if all know what their roles are.. right ?

Wrong thought, CW started to pull **** and i warned her not to do that because I (as Tank) is supposed to fight against mobs and not against party members to get things right.. second time.. again I had to work my *** off to get the mobs clustered on me (thats is good for all party members).. Thirt time i simply let the CW die in the cluster of mobs she pulled in her hunger to become top of DPS list..
So i made a remark about it and then the GWF came with a reaction that I am just a outdated GF who cannot controll the mob's.. i said are you sure about that?.. he said yeah.. GF's should be removed from this Game, and the CW was agreeing with the GWF.. I said.. ok.. you have gotten your way and we all have seen the chaos it caused.. We do now my way, just give me one second to pull and get all the aggro I need and then you can unleash all youre "awesome" DPS on the mobs... good for me, good for DPS and especially good for DC (they are mostly the first one who gets pummeled bij mobs).. And TR and DC where pleased with the fact that the Tank way works supricely well.. except the GWF and CW because they had to admit that they where wrong.
What happened next was that the GWF started to pull all trash in a attempt to put me (as GF) in a bad daylight, wrong move again.. just tab mark and enforced threat and i acted as a big magnet on these mobs.. Fail mission GWF,, just a big fail GWF.. Last two mobs before Kessels he rushed forwards to get the aggro again... I tab marked again and waited till he unleashed Unstoppable.. BAM, Enforced threat and he was performing his "OP" Unstoppable in thin air.. quite funny to put a GWF on his place that way......

This mess is not needed folks, the reason that a GF became obsolete (as these HAMSTER are calling it) is because they are the cause (main part) that a GF is putted into that position and partially by GF's himself by trying to do DPS.. this means that these GF's are missing some essential spells to get the huge aggro controll which is needed when engaging mobs of this caliber (who are able to oneshot a player with ease).. only a GF with right build have a good change to create a nice and smooth run without the chaos.

I believe that Dev's are aware of this problem and it might be the reason that GWF and CW are getting nerfed big time in Mod4 in favor of the new Warlock class (pure DPS) and that CW's are putted back to the place and role where they should be.. the name Controll Wizard say's enough.. GWF's should be a class on its own (not linked to GF's paragon trees), TR, HR and DC should NOT get toughed imho, because they do fine (i know im getting remarks from the PvP kids) since it is a PvE game in the first place with PvP extension and not (as PvP players want, how hard they trying to set the game on their hands) and a GF get some updates they deserve (except the new Guard setup.. thats a big mistake if Devs putting that trough).

So, the GWF and CW left the party without saying one single word while the DC and TR in party where telling me that they never have met a Tank who is capable doing that and thanked me for opening their eyes... I know that quite a few players will have the impression that I am talking ****... for them.. Well, I challange them.. to group with me sometime so i can show that it can be different.. without the chaos but at the cost of little extra time.. but who cares when a dung run takes a bit longer when you have so much more fun with bashing the mobs without the change of getting pummeled..
And for fellow GF's, im always open to give you a helping hand to build a solid GF who's role is to protect in the first place and not playing a DPS GF.

Greeting to all,
OGGUK

pandora1x · July 2014

Didn't read.

You'll get buffed. Unlike us TR's.

damnataanimus · July 2014

Lol, then it was a bad gwf - I have no issues holding threat while dpsing. But come mod 4 those cws and lower gs gwfs will probably want a gf in party lol so relax.

rodrant64 · July 2014

I did read it.

I've got a lvl 60 GF that's been collecting dust for months. I've even gotten to work on gearing up a 2nd GWF before really bothering with my GF. And that's even having more respect than most for how a GF can make a dungeon easier (even if it's a little slower).

But I think I'll finally give my GF a shot in mod 4.

finmakin · July 2014

pandora1x wrote: »

Didn't read.

You'll get buffed. Unlike us TR's.

For your information i was mentioning that TR, HR and DC should not get touched by a Nerf..
Forgot to mention it in original post

pandora1x · July 2014

finmakin wrote: »

For your information i was mentioning that TR, HR and DC should not get touched by a Nerf..
Forgot to mention it in original post

We need a buff... not more nerfs xD

emilemo · July 2014

People need to realize that certain people are <unicorns> both IRL and in games. That has nothing to do with a class in a game. The fact that you met an <octopus> GWF player in a PUG doesnt justify your own belittling comments. Make the distinction please - it was not the GWF which was " the big fail ", it was the person behind the computer screen who failed at being human.

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finmakin · July 2014

emilemo wrote: »

People need to realize that certain people are <unicorns> both IRL and in games. That has nothing to do with a class in a game. The fact that you met an <octopus> GWF player in a PUG doesnt justify your own belittling comments. Make the distinction please - it was not the GWF which was " the big fail ", it was the person behind the computer screen who failed at being human.

Youre right with your reaction.. but if you read then you can imagine that it was intentioned to that GWF and not at the GWF class as whole

oicidraz · July 2014

Well yeah, there are stupid ppl all around the world

Good to know that there are more GFs trying to play their role in the party and not trying to be another GWF like I see in almost 90% of the cases... However the dungeons are so easy and life steal is so OP in PvE that I kinda understand the ppl who says that a GF Tank role isn't needed, after a certain GS GWF/CW (and HR in some degree) can just go and make explode everything, so yes, the trade of - chaos / + little time is good when the party isn't able to just destroy everything.

harrivenger · July 2014

oicidraz wrote: »

Well yeah, there are stupid ppl all around the world

Good to know that there are more GFs trying to play their role in the party and not trying to be another GWF like I see in almost 90% of the cases... However the dungeons are so easy and life steal is so OP in PvE that I kinda understand the ppl who says that a GF Tank role isn't needed, after a certain GS GWF/CW (and HR in some degree) can just go and make explode everything, so yes, the trade of - chaos / + little time is good when the party isn't able to just destroy everything.

The other members in the group do play a part on whether they allow the GF to play their role in the party. For me, as a TR, just like other MMO, I always wait for the Tank to engage first before I join in the fight to prevent taking over the aggro, which my TR won't be able to handle those insane damage from the mobs/adds/bosses. I have seem other classes engaging the mobs without waiting for the GF to enage first, which result in a much tougher and time consuming fight.

daggon87 · July 2014

If a group can play using the traditional roles (tank, heal and dps), sure I can also play the tanking role even with my swordmaster conqueror GF and the runs are then generally smoother, and more enjoyable for me and some others I hope. But if you must discipline or fight for threat against the other players, it quickly becomes bothersome ... So in PUG, no wonder most GF will be content with following the flow.

finmakin · July 2014

harrivenger wrote: »

The other members in the group do play a part on whether they allow the GF to play their role in the party. For me, as a TR, just like other MMO, I always wait for the Tank to engage first before I join in the fight to prevent taking over the aggro, which my TR won't be able to handle those insane damage from the mobs/adds/bosses. I have seem other classes engaging the mobs without waiting for the GF to enage first, which result in a much tougher and time consuming fight.

Thank you for your reply, you see the reason of my post because you have the right playstyle / mentality towards fellow party members (in this case a GF) as it should be.
And im pretty sure that all people think likewise when they see the bigger picture but laying it beside them due a GF is not needed in their eyes..
Personally I think that this bad habbit will change in Mod4 and that these people will be glad to have a GF in their party.

finmakin · July 2014

daggon87 wrote: »

If a group can play using the traditional roles (tank, heal and dps), sure I can also play the tanking role even with my swordmaster conqueror GF and the runs are then generally smoother, and more enjoyable for me and some others I hope. But if you must discipline or fight for threat against the other players, it quickly becomes bothersome ... So in PUG, no wonder most GF will be content with following the flow.

Youre right that even (as you say) with your confugiration is able to make things smoother.. if all members are doing there thing (as you can see in many other MMO's).
About Pugs... I refuse to go with the flow and always try to convince others that it can be in a different and better way... its not me to go with the flow (wich is fully understandable conserning present situation)

Side note... The Que system Neverwinter is using is a a complete farce.. they should look at the system WoW is using for a moment then the coding team knows exactly what they have to change at their own Que system

finmakin · July 2014

rodrant64 wrote: »

I did read it.

I've got a lvl 60 GF that's been collecting dust for months. I've even gotten to work on gearing up a 2nd GWF before really bothering with my GF. And that's even having more respect than most for how a GF can make a dungeon easier (even if it's a little slower).

But I think I'll finally give my GF a shot in mod 4.

Good thing

Bring your GF out of the dust and let him shine.. as a GF deserves to shine

hb10102 · July 2014

Some quick background before I start

I am in the same Guild as Ogguk, I also have a GF. I know first hand that he is a purist of the class and will do everything he can to show people that the GF is as worthy as any other class.

In my instance I enjoy PvP so my GF is built to fill that role. Thats where the problems start, PvP and PvE should never be shared. We will never have people agreeing on roles and buffs and nerfs as long as they share each other.

Here is a solution to that, why not have another tab sort to say that allows us to toggle between 2 Different builds? And not just gear wise but whole path wise. Each of these (tabs) would have their own buffs, nerfs or whatever to balance things out. When you enter PvP it auto switches to that build and path, when out of PvP it defaults back.....seems pretty simple to me.

Now to get back on track, I think we will have to wait and see how mod 4 affects the balance in dungeons. I hope it will open some eyes as to how effective the GF (when built right) can be for a party. When built (wrong) or for PvP (mine) a GF will never be welcomed or will continue to give the class a bad name.

I honestly don't think the mentality will be able to change in general, as long is there is a parallel between PvP and PvE.

I would encourage anybody that feels the GF is worthless in a dungeon to give Ogguk a try, you may be surprised and may see things in a different light.

finmakin · July 2014

hb10102 wrote: »

Some quick background before I start

I am in the same Guild as Ogguk, I also have a GF. I know first hand that he is a purist of the class and will do everything he can to show people that the GF is as worthy as any other class.

In my instance I enjoy PvP so my GF is built to fill that role. Thats where the problems start, PvP and PvE should never be shared. We will never have people agreeing on roles and buffs and nerfs as long as they share each other.

Here is a solution to that, why not have another tab sort to say that allows us to toggle between 2 Different builds? And not just gear wise but whole path wise. Each of these (tabs) would have their own buffs, nerfs or whatever to balance things out. When you enter PvP it auto switches to that build and path, when out of PvP it defaults back.....seems pretty simple to me.

Now to get back on track, I think we will have to wait and see how mod 4 affects the balance in dungeons. I hope it will open some eyes as to how effective the GF (when built right) can be for a party. When built (wrong) or for PvP (mine) a GF will never be welcomed or will continue to give the class a bad name.

I honestly don't think the mentality will be able to change in general, as long is there is a parallel between PvP and PvE.

I would encourage anybody that feels the GF is worthless in a dungeon to give Ogguk a try, you may be surprised and may see things in a different light.

Thank you for your view.

The problem lies indeed in the sharings PvP versus PvE..
You're talking about switching between PvP and PvE brings back memories about MMO's i have played.. i know its possibe but with a manually swap (means reload).. i doubt that a Auto-switch (as you propose) will work good in Neverwinter when i look at the game mechanics..

As for the new Mod.. we all have to wait and see what it brings us.. especially balances in dungeons and other events.
Its a choice you have to make at this moment.. or / or instead and / and.. so this means that a GF with PvP build is not automatically a bad GF.. he is good in his own field as I am in mine... but differences in view will remain (which is a good thing)...
But seperation between PvP and PvE is a thing what Cryptic should look into.. as-well sharing paragon trees between different classes.

I always invite GF's with wrong builds for a dung or skirmish run so they can see at first hand what their possibilities are, what they can achieve in a good way towards fellow party members... if they see and experience that there is a other/better way to perform as tank i am willing to help them, guide them with advises, as I have received it once too from a very nice and patient person..

Yes, I am a Purist because i know its possible to become a more wanted GF in groups.. as i do (thank God that Friends list is able to contain lots of ppl)

ripyourlipsoff · July 2014

Great story ~ RESPECT! I don't pve often I am glad you do and love doing so.

silverkelt · July 2014

Did you state up front that you wanted to pull aggro?

Not a comment on your play or playstyle at all, but alot of GFS are not set up as you are, how would anyone know the difference?

Just a thought.

query523 · July 2014

My GF has been pugging Kessell for a while now. Fastest way to make BI (I have a stats thread here in the barracks). Honestly I do not wait to communicate with my team. I come in enforced, lunge, FLS and grab what I can. I figure if you over-aggro you should deal with the mobs you draw. Last room I move to lunging, griffin, anvil because they are all small mobs. Kessell I grab left beholder till he attacks Kessell then move to right. Draw the adds when I can and pull them back to Kessell. Admittedly I am not a tanky tank. Conq build. But I've made a lot of runs on this strategy and it ends up working even when teamed up with the cranially deficient.

morsitans · July 2014

Problem with the original post is it mostly reads like a GF doing their best to troll the rest of the party. Ok, the CW sounds terrible if they can't survive the aggro they pull, and the GWF is clearly terrible if a single enforced threat is enough to pull aggro away from them, but that doesn't really excuse the behaviour. Sure, tanking CAN be done in this game, but it's never necessary, and trying to actively (indeed aggressively) demonstrate how tanking can work isn't really worth it unless your party is actively struggling, and struggling in a way that needs a tank.

Two main ways parties struggle are "being undergeared" and "being godawfully stupid". Tanking stuff can help the former, but is pointless for the latter. You can't tank through stupid, just like you can't heal through stupid. And this party sounds like it had a lot of stupid.

Any CW capable of pulling aggro should also be capable of (in no particular order) immobilising everything for the majority of the time, actually using the shift key, and killing everything. Yours sounded like...a bad CW, and tanking stuff for them isn't going to change that. I note you let them die, which was smart, because otherwise they probably would've just pulled aggro from you again (and, from the sounds of things, promptly died again).

As for the GWF, well: two things. One, he must've been awful if you could pull aggro away that easily, and two, he must've been awful if he considered aggro being pulled from him to be "a bad thing": FREE COMBAT ADVANTAGE? O NOES.

Essentially you had a bad party, and the problem wasn't that the party didn't understand the joys of tanking, it was that THEY WERE BAD. If you'd had a competent CW and GWF you'd've been relegated to comedy deeps again.

The reason people consider GFs obsolete is that getting someone to grab aggro and hold it while everyone else whales on the monsters is...totally unnecessary, unless your party is heavily undergeared (which is almost impossible now). Two mediocre CWs and two mediocre GWFs (or one good one of each) can pretty much handle everything: stuff that can't move can't hurt you, and stuff that's dead...also can't hurt you. At no point does this need someone to 'handle being hurt'.

Which is why most GFs go conq, because hey: might as well contribute some comedy deeps, rite?

Also, for the record, there's very little difference in tankiness between a conq GF and a protector or tactician GF, and I'm kinda confused as to why everyone seems to think conqs are so squishy. I think it's just because there are an awful LOT of conqs, so you're more likely to spot a conq being a moron than you are a prot or a tact.

finmakin · July 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

Great story ~ RESPECT! I don't pve often I am glad you do and love doing so.

Thank you for that, i am who I am and always try to perfect ionize what I like.. Tanking in this case

finmakin · July 2014

silverkelt wrote: »

Did you state up front that you wanted to pull aggro?

Not a comment on your play or playstyle at all, but alot of GFS are not set up as you are, how would anyone know the difference?

Just a thought.

I don't think there is a need that a GF should state that up front because everyone knows that a GF is a Tank.. build to absorb great amounts of damage.
From my point of view its not more than logical that party members can expect that a GF will do everything to keep the damage to other members of the party to a minimum which is very welcomed by DC's

A GF is initially a Tank, in this Game most of them have builds for use in PvP, this doesn't mean that they are not capable to pull a party trough a dungeon.. I am a PvE build tank and have slightly better options in Dungeons but slacking in PvP

Greetings

finmakin · July 2014

morsitans wrote: »

Problem with the original post is it mostly reads like a GF doing their best to troll the rest of the party. Ok, the CW sounds terrible if they can't survive the aggro they pull, and the GWF is clearly terrible if a single enforced threat is enough to pull aggro away from them, but that doesn't really excuse the behaviour. Sure, tanking CAN be done in this game, but it's never necessary, and trying to actively (indeed aggressively) demonstrate how tanking can work isn't really worth it unless your party is actively struggling, and struggling in a way that needs a tank.
No need to shove words in my mouth i didn't have said.. I was talking about the GWF and CW in the group and their ****ty attitude towards GF's.. and i don't see that as trolling because of their attitude.
secondly, you don't know me and you put me in a corner as I am only capable to pull aggro from a single target.. Its sad that there are people who feel less Uber when mobs are pulled away from them.. I even do that with (as you say) better geared GWF's and CW's.. and i can show it to you too no problem for me... but that's not the issue here....

Two main ways parties struggle are "being undergeared" and "being godawfully stupid". Tanking stuff can help the former, but is pointless for the latter. You can't tank through stupid, just like you can't heal through stupid. And this party sounds like it had a lot of stupid.
Wrong, DC and TR where doing what they where supposed to do in their (class) role.. there where only 2 members acting in stupid way.. causing chaos and make the fight longer than it actually should be.

Any CW capable of pulling aggro should also be capable of (in no particular order) immobilising everything for the majority of the time, actually using the shift key, and killing everything. Yours sounded like...a bad CW, and tanking stuff for them isn't going to change that. I note you let them die, which was smart, because otherwise they probably would've just pulled aggro from you again (and, from the sounds of things, promptly died again).
Just for the record, they never have pulled aggro away from me, they where not capable for that.. how hard they tried. its all about bad attitude

As for the GWF, well: two things. One, he must've been awful if you could pull aggro away that easily, and two, he must've been awful if he considered aggro being pulled from him to be "a bad thing": FREE COMBAT ADVANTAGE? O NOES.
One thing.. i challange you.. prove yourself

Essentially you had a bad party, and the problem wasn't that the party didn't understand the joys of tanking, it was that THEY WERE BAD. If you'd had a competent CW and GWF you'd've been relegated to comedy deeps again.
See my reaction above..

The reason people consider GFs obsolete is that getting someone to grab aggro and hold it while everyone else whales on the monsters is...totally unnecessary, unless your party is heavily undergeared (which is almost impossible now). Two mediocre CWs and two mediocre GWFs (or one good one of each) can pretty much handle everything: stuff that can't move can't hurt you, and stuff that's dead...also can't hurt you. At no point does this need someone to 'handle being hurt'.
And that is exactly the reason GWF's and CW's are getting Butt hurt in Mod4, i have seen it on test, stripped away from their significant OP.. so they fits back in their role as it was intended in the first place.. and since i guessing that youre a GWF by yourself i am not supriced about the way you have putted your reaction.. i feel pity for you because its not needed

Which is why most GFs go conq, because hey: might as well contribute some comedy deeps, rite?

Also, for the record, there's very little difference in tankiness between a conq GF and a protector or tactician GF, and I'm kinda confused as to why everyone seems to think conqs are so squishy. I think it's just because there are an awful LOT of conqs, so you're more likely to spot a conq being a moron than you are a prot or a tact.
Again you put words in my mouth,, for what ?

You accusing me for being a troll towards GWF and CW.. youre the one who translate that into directed to classes, For the record i know quite a lot GWF's and CW's who are High geared and capable getting things to their hands... no problem but they all say.. why should I make that much effort to put a GF on the sideline when It can be much easier with a Tank in their group who appearing to be quite capable to forfill his role.. but the egoistic players who feeling themself Uber with the (soon to be fixed) Godlike powers towards other players are IMHO the real ones who placing a GF in bad daylights...

Conclusion,
Its not me who is trolling about GWF's and CW's, but you are.. you come here to write down your views (which i respecting), but its noone to nothing informative what you have written thusfar..

Have a fine day

morsitans · July 2014

Honestly, from a DC standpoint, it's less easy to heal "one dude for a lot" than it is to heal "everyone for a little", because DCs have no burst heals to speak of. Tick-heals and mitigation? That's easy, but taking a GF from almost dead to hale and hearty? Harder (hope you have fighter's recovery ready!).
It doesn't really matter whether it's a GF taking all the aggro or a CW who can't dodge for toffee, if someone is near death, about the most a DC can do (lucky crit HWs with vorp aside) is keep them alive long enough for fighter's recovery/regen/lifesteal/potions to top them back up.

So again, the meta doesn't really favour one guy running out and taking all the hits, it favours everyone avoiding red and standing in blue, and taking their share of the hits, if hits need to be taken at all (which they often don't). Really, if anyone needs to take a lot of hits, it's the GWF, so he/she can pop unstoppable more often.

I see the current GF role as more of a buffer/debuffer: ItF, KC armour, mark all the things, terror/PF enchant, keep everything looking at you and then position yourself to give combat advantage to the rest of the party.

Trying to make yourself into a human singularity isn't really wise or necessary (there's a spell for that, after all).

Tanking isn't needed, but buffing/debuffing stuff is always good.

morsitans · July 2014

Also, your comedy ALL THE RED response was....odd. Also, angry. Stupidly angry. Confusing. Also "prove yourself"...what? Prove what, that your teams GWF was terrible? You're not really even being coherent at this point.

For the record, I play DC mostly, then GF.

I do also have a CW and a GWF, though: and it's unbelievably facerollingly easy to play them both, because they're both insanely OP classes. This is why I stated you clearly had terrible ones in your party.
If I were a GWF and someone managed to give me free combat advantage, the last thing I'd do is complain, whereas yours did, hence: terrible GWF.

You also had a CW who apparently managed to both NOT pull aggro from you, but ALSO die, which makes them possibly one of the worst CWs I've ever heard of.

At this point it really doesn't matter whether your DC and TR are spectacular, because you have two of the most OP deeps classes in your group, but who are utterly awful. Not a lot is going to compensate for that.

Your DC can go balls-to-the-wall heals and try and keep you alive while you tank everything, but if your only competent dps source is a TR....you're in for a bad time.

finmakin · July 2014

morsitans wrote: »

Honestly, from a DC standpoint, it's less easy to heal "one dude for a lot" than it is to heal "everyone for a little", because DCs have no burst heals to speak of. Tick-heals and mitigation? That's easy, but taking a GF from almost dead to hale and hearty? Harder (hope you have fighter's recovery ready!).
It doesn't really matter whether it's a GF taking all the aggro or a CW who can't dodge for toffee, if someone is near death, about the most a DC can do (lucky crit HWs with vorp aside) is keep them alive long enough for fighter's recovery/regen/lifesteal/potions to top them back up.

So again, the meta doesn't really favour one guy running out and taking all the hits, it favours everyone avoiding red and standing in blue, and taking their share of the hits, if hits need to be taken at all (which they often don't). Really, if anyone needs to take a lot of hits, it's the GWF, so he/she can pop unstoppable more often.

I see the current GF role as more of a buffer/debuffer: ItF, KC armour, mark all the things, terror/PF enchant, keep everything looking at you and then position yourself to give combat advantage to the rest of the party.

Trying to make yourself into a human singularity isn't really wise or necessary (there's a spell for that, after all).

Tanking isn't needed, but buffing/debuffing stuff is always good.

Thank you for your input, this one is way better.

The buffing spells as you mentioned are standard in my rotation and I pop them as soon they come free, I understand that a GWF need hits to get Unstoppable up faster.. Normally when i have a GWf in my party i keep a eye on him and let him do his job while i keep others busy (take the two beholders in KR as example).. there no problem with that at all if they are doing what they are supposed to do (class wise)..
Most of the time i'm able to heal myself quite effective so DC can focus more on the rest of party.

But, acting like the two did in my opening post isn't the right way..it only causes chaos and irritations , not only by me but by other classes aswell IMHO

Its all about attitude and the capability to adjust yourself to situations

Hence, i have often DC's in my groups who where telling me that they hardly have casted a Heal and loaded the Buff / debuff spells instead

Thank, and have a fine day

epclipseingmoon · July 2014

So your stateing your a tank but you can't take agro off of your cw and gwf? true they may get hurt abit because they do tend to charge in but if you are unable to use threatening rush and cleive them a few times and get them all close together you are not tanking. As a tank you need to watch your team more than even a dc has to.

query523 · July 2014

Had a really nice one today. Found a HR and TR eyeballing prospectors. So why not? Drew the mobs one at a time and after a bit the HR learned to let me establish aggro (looked new. White pet!) before the splitshot spam. The TR just tore down whatever was biggest. And nobody else showed up till the very end where it was basically me and the HR handling mobs while the TR munched on the boss when all of a sudden a bunch of other people jumped in. Too bad as I wanted to know if we could finish. Still got the Epic and a new Troll bone.

finmakin · July 2014

query523, Pity it didn't worked out but it should have been a nice personal victory

finmakin · July 2014

epclipseingmoon wrote: »

So your stateing your a tank but you can't take agro off of your cw and gwf? true they may get hurt abit because they do tend to charge in but if you are unable to use threatening rush and cleive them a few times and get them all close together you are not tanking. As a tank you need to watch your team more than even a dc has to.

I never have stated that I am not able to take aggro off other players.. I can take that very easy.. people seems to read what they like to read and forget the rest.
I will look you up in game and invite you for a nice run to see if your statement that I am not capable has valid reasons..

note.
I have looked you up in Game (you where online with your tank), have send you a message in which I invited you so we can see if your statement have solid grounds but unfortunatly you didn't gave any responce.

Pity

tonyswu · July 2014

damnataanimus wrote: »

Lol, then it was a bad gwf - I have no issues holding threat while dpsing. But come mod 4 those cws and lower gs gwfs will probably want a gf in party lol so relax.

I disagree. GF, if played properly, hold aggro above all other classes. No one steals aggro from my GF, not even our guild's top GWF who does 6 times of my damage.

Just another Day of a GF's live in Neverwinter.

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