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Race - Re balance and Character "RE-birth" system.
ayroux
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For a long time I have been wondering an easy way for the DEVs to rebalance the races without making it "unfair" to players who have already spent ALOT of time/AD on characters who would then get the short end of the stick.
What I think here, is a solution that addresses BOTH those issues.
A Re-Birth system.
What this would look like is a character who has accomplished "X" in the game (I would imagine this could be a pretty significant feat) - like maybe a dungeon tracker in which you have to have beaten ALL of the PVE dungeons atleast once to unlock this feature - and/or maybe completed the entire 3 "campaigns" currently offered in Sharandar/Dread/IWD.
Would then accept a quest to see some mystical "warlock" or something. Details dont really matter. Bottom line is:
All your gear is un-equipped and you end up being "re-born" as a lvl 1 HERO character (or w.e you wanna call it).
Now IMO the benefit to this re-birth would be an additional maybe +1 to any stat (or heck, even +1 to primary and secondary stats) so there IS incentive but not a HUGE incentive to make it unfair to other classes. You get to retain all your gear/items - so no loss there. But you have to re-quest back to lvl 60 to equip most of the gear again.
What you can do THROUGH this, however, is enable a feature to re-select your RACE and BASE rolls.
This THEN allows a window for you to re-balance the races seeing as some are clearly VASTLY more powerful than others.
Some Ideas would be:
Humans: Instead of 3% defense, they gain 3% more DR.
High Elfs: 5% more AP gain (up from 2%)
Half Elves: Knack for Success includes: 1% crit, 1% DR as well.
Elves: Elven Accuracy: 3% Crit chance (up from 1%).
Dwarves: Cast-Iron stomach = 2% more DR.
Things like this. The current Racial bonuses are pretty pathetic, especially in PVP when compared to Halflings. Instead of NERFING a class, it would be MUCH better to make others more appealing.
The Rebirth system combined with a race re-balance makes this an easy transition and creates ALOT more content since players effectively can level the same character TWICE through the content.
I think this would be widely accepted and HECK! You could even charge Zen to do this, like the quest requirement asks for 1000 Zen. Ill tell you right now, youd make alot of money doing this.
What I think here, is a solution that addresses BOTH those issues.
A Re-Birth system.
What this would look like is a character who has accomplished "X" in the game (I would imagine this could be a pretty significant feat) - like maybe a dungeon tracker in which you have to have beaten ALL of the PVE dungeons atleast once to unlock this feature - and/or maybe completed the entire 3 "campaigns" currently offered in Sharandar/Dread/IWD.
Would then accept a quest to see some mystical "warlock" or something. Details dont really matter. Bottom line is:
All your gear is un-equipped and you end up being "re-born" as a lvl 1 HERO character (or w.e you wanna call it).
Now IMO the benefit to this re-birth would be an additional maybe +1 to any stat (or heck, even +1 to primary and secondary stats) so there IS incentive but not a HUGE incentive to make it unfair to other classes. You get to retain all your gear/items - so no loss there. But you have to re-quest back to lvl 60 to equip most of the gear again.
What you can do THROUGH this, however, is enable a feature to re-select your RACE and BASE rolls.
This THEN allows a window for you to re-balance the races seeing as some are clearly VASTLY more powerful than others.
Some Ideas would be:
Humans: Instead of 3% defense, they gain 3% more DR.
High Elfs: 5% more AP gain (up from 2%)
Half Elves: Knack for Success includes: 1% crit, 1% DR as well.
Elves: Elven Accuracy: 3% Crit chance (up from 1%).
Dwarves: Cast-Iron stomach = 2% more DR.
Things like this. The current Racial bonuses are pretty pathetic, especially in PVP when compared to Halflings. Instead of NERFING a class, it would be MUCH better to make others more appealing.
The Rebirth system combined with a race re-balance makes this an easy transition and creates ALOT more content since players effectively can level the same character TWICE through the content.
I think this would be widely accepted and HECK! You could even charge Zen to do this, like the quest requirement asks for 1000 Zen. Ill tell you right now, youd make alot of money doing this.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Iyon the Dark
I'll pay 10k zen for this.
From me they would xD
and while I am at it time to save up 1 mil ad lol.
Heck they could make this the next big ad sink(would pay any price for this) I would do it if I got a stat re roll on my main gf who is one year old.
Its not even just the "re-reoll" or stat "re-roll" but the race-rebalance PLUS the "HERO" system makes it all work so easily.
Thats what I think the real advantage is: Getting players to RE-lvl characters, basically doubles the content...
Ontop of that, makes all the races better AND gives those players who do re-roll bonus stats as well.
It just really seems like an awesome idea.
this sounds more like something within the world of d&d that could be implemented with regards to MMO concessions.
You are wildly speculating when you say it will generate a good amount of profit. They can get more profit by just introducing a new lockbox.
Plus, what percentage of the playerbase are clamouring for it exactly?
For one if it was their first character and it doesn't have the roll they want and do not want to start another character just to level it to 60 and get everything they have on their character all over again just for an alteration of ability scores. Also with the change to GFs getting more bonus hp from CON some would maybe desire to change to a roll with a higher CON.
I have 3 characters and they are all different classes. Their initial stats are bad, except the last one. Stat rolls and races didnt matter much till end game. It's when one can truly understand how the class works, which stats BIS gear stacks and lacks etc.
So I dont think it's realistic to expect a player to know all this while creating a char with a completely new class.
Its not game breaking to have 19+ STR and 20 DEX on a PVE HR who end up with 2500+ ArP BUT it's surely a problem when you realize how better your toon could be if you knew what this meant at the char creation. It would be nice to have an option to reroll stats/race. We already have respec and appearance change. If these are fine to have, why not implement this also?
+1000 for race re-change. Lot of people (me too) made a mistake because i didnt know how i will build my class and i took almost the worst and useless class for my DC which is very big difference in endgame.
Obviously I can create new DC but i have purple artifacts, companions and full gear so...
Please make class change token naturally with restrictions like only 1 change for character or account or 1 per year...
Are you guys rich or something
We are saying at this point with a ton of time invested in one character to be able to do something as an ability score re roll and maybe racial change we would pay anything at this point to get it. And do all the leveling just for it too.
It would extend played time by an infinite amount if you could do it over and over, and the more you're playing, the more likely you are to spend money on other stuff. That's why we have time-gated campaigns that take a month to complete.
Meh, I think rerolling toons would extend played time even more.
Almost every single hardcore PVP player has rerolled toons due to the current overpowered class
I disagree, coming from a hardcore PVP perspective one of the major issues I DONT want to reroll is artifacts and campaign system.
Gear is easy to get, enchants are easy, but artifacts dont carry over and neither does boons. Those are the biggest deterrants to rerolling.
Plus I would LOVE to experience harder PVE and would LOVE to reroll and play with my main characters again (if for some benefit).
heck I bet you wouldnt even need to offer more stats, just an ability to RE-stat AND choose a new race would be big (IF races were rebalanced).
Im really frankly sick of playing and seeing a LARGE majority of halflings in pvp because its BIS for PVP. BTW - the solution ISNT to nerf a race, thats just frankly bad experience all around but to BUFF other races to be inline with the halfling...
Well now that you talk about buffing all the other races to keep them in-line with halflings, I'd agree to that.
I was merely arguing that it would artificially create more content (as cumbersome as they are) by forcing those hardcore PVPers to reroll their toons. I know it is a big hassle to a certain section of the playerbase.
*best = most geared as in spent the most time and money min/maxing a certain character.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
is that my fault if i play my tr from one year and i just refuse to reroll it?
Nothing is left to do if not 2-3 pvp per day and im even tired to have not optimal stats cause in the creation the description was like "dex: you really are sneaky stubbing people. cha: you really good to talk to people".
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