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brun2000
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Seriously, when are you going to open up your eyes to the most useless class in the game?
I just saw the patch notes from the preview and they are just insane... How can you ignore Tr's to badly?
Why I say this:
- Most bugged class in the history of my played games
- Unwanted in PVE (people leave when they see a Tr in parties)
- Hated in PVP (O MY GOWD, PERMA SO NUB, STOP STEALTH SCRUB!)
Bugs I've found:
- Bloodbath hits the rock thing from CW's as if it was a player (I lost count how many were saved by that)
- ITC Gets bypassed or used but without effect most of the times
- Lashing Blade Fails to hit jumping targets (Not always but still stupid as hell)
- Socking Execution can be dodged from jumping or sometimes for unknown thing (weak, yet bugged)
- At-Wills that get 60 seconds cooldown is so cool isn't it?
- Bloodbath gets used but does not persue/deal damage to the target (slowest building AP, yet bugged)
- Shadow Strike bug where sometimes it does not refill the stealth bar [Suggested by fantasycharacter]
Bugs Fixed in the patch: Let me see... NONE. Why is there even a bug report button if it serves no purpose?
Why its an unwanted class in PVE:
No big deal AOE damage-dealing spells.
Every DPS class in this game deals WAYYYYY more damage in than a TR.
Needs to get into the fight while being a glass cannon (DEADLYFAST).
[Not much, but enough]
Why its hated in PVP:
- Has Stealth and if you get slapped-crit in the back you go QQ to the chat.
I am not a perma-stealth because I find it boring to just be running arround the node while doing nothing, but the weakness TR has now makes me believe that the perma-stealthers actually have a reason to be there. Give us our Insane damage back and we will FOR SURE leave those builds! I mean... they even removed our only prone from a daily because people were QQ'ing about being slapped with it (A DAILY! SLOWESTBUILDING AP CLASSINTHEGAME) and then if they didn't die they would be slapped again with something else... I mean... Really? I don't even know why its still called "Shocking Execution" since it can't do balls. I cannot deal more than 20k on a dummy with 13k+ GS on my TR but with a 9.3k GS CW I can hit 25k AOE spells... And its not just CW, GWF and HR can do it too, I got crit on a pvp match today on 27k from the strong at-will they have and if it wasn't soulforged I'd be 1 shot.
Either way, my point is that this game should be:
CW: Low mobility, High Control, Medium Damage*, Low resist
TR: Medium Mobility, Low Control, High Damage, Low resist
GWF: Medium mobility, Low control, Medium damage, Medium Resist*
GF: Low Mobility, Medium control, Low damage, High Resist
DC: Medium mobility, Medium control, Low Damage, Medium Resist [Suggested by beckylunatic] (+ Heals)
HR: High mobility, Low control, Medium-High Damage, Low Resist
What is wrong should be highlighted as red.
* Possibly fixed in next module
Let me know your opinions on this and please don't come troll to this thread.
I just saw the patch notes from the preview and they are just insane... How can you ignore Tr's to badly?
Why I say this:
- Most bugged class in the history of my played games
- Unwanted in PVE (people leave when they see a Tr in parties)
- Hated in PVP (O MY GOWD, PERMA SO NUB, STOP STEALTH SCRUB!)
Bugs I've found:
- Bloodbath hits the rock thing from CW's as if it was a player (I lost count how many were saved by that)
- ITC Gets bypassed or used but without effect most of the times
- Lashing Blade Fails to hit jumping targets (Not always but still stupid as hell)
- Socking Execution can be dodged from jumping or sometimes for unknown thing (weak, yet bugged)
- At-Wills that get 60 seconds cooldown is so cool isn't it?
- Bloodbath gets used but does not persue/deal damage to the target (slowest building AP, yet bugged)
- Shadow Strike bug where sometimes it does not refill the stealth bar [Suggested by fantasycharacter]
Bugs Fixed in the patch: Let me see... NONE. Why is there even a bug report button if it serves no purpose?
Why its an unwanted class in PVE:
No big deal AOE damage-dealing spells.
Every DPS class in this game deals WAYYYYY more damage in than a TR.
Needs to get into the fight while being a glass cannon (DEADLYFAST).
[Not much, but enough]
Why its hated in PVP:
- Has Stealth and if you get slapped-crit in the back you go QQ to the chat.
I am not a perma-stealth because I find it boring to just be running arround the node while doing nothing, but the weakness TR has now makes me believe that the perma-stealthers actually have a reason to be there. Give us our Insane damage back and we will FOR SURE leave those builds! I mean... they even removed our only prone from a daily because people were QQ'ing about being slapped with it (A DAILY! SLOWESTBUILDING AP CLASSINTHEGAME) and then if they didn't die they would be slapped again with something else... I mean... Really? I don't even know why its still called "Shocking Execution" since it can't do balls. I cannot deal more than 20k on a dummy with 13k+ GS on my TR but with a 9.3k GS CW I can hit 25k AOE spells... And its not just CW, GWF and HR can do it too, I got crit on a pvp match today on 27k from the strong at-will they have and if it wasn't soulforged I'd be 1 shot.
Either way, my point is that this game should be:
CW: Low mobility, High Control, Medium Damage*, Low resist
TR: Medium Mobility, Low Control, High Damage, Low resist
GWF: Medium mobility, Low control, Medium damage, Medium Resist*
GF: Low Mobility, Medium control, Low damage, High Resist
DC: Medium mobility, Medium control, Low Damage, Medium Resist [Suggested by beckylunatic] (+ Heals)
HR: High mobility, Low control, Medium-High Damage, Low Resist
What is wrong should be highlighted as red.
* Possibly fixed in next module
Let me know your opinions on this and please don't come troll to this thread.
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You probably never played a single game of PVP in your life and you probably have never heard of GFs
Lol yeah TR, HR and GWF are the 3 pvp classes, i play gf and have to try so hard also rogues aren't being nerfed at least but gf are being nerfed bad in mod 4 not that we need it because we are already the worst.
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I feel you. It's hard to read a post this whiny about one of the top 3 PvP classes ("waaaah people call me a perma nub" as a GF is getting destroyed by an enemy who is just looking at him). I don't disagree that TRs could benefit from some changes, but I think GFs, DCs, and CWs are in greater need of work.
That being said, it doesn't hurt to shine light on problems with any of the classes, including the better ones.
(Also, I think DCs should have at the very least medium resist or high mobility in your list.).
Yes all classes could do with work even stronger ones but thats the problem, in mod 4 the gf and wizard, 2 already weak classes are being nerfed and i dont get this....i guess rogues will be able to beat these 2 classes with 1 dagger instead of needing 2 now.
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I would suggest going to PTR and checking out some of the new builds for GF and CW using the control path. I don't think weak is the word that will come to mind
I know all about both classes i have a gf as my main and have learned everything there is to know and i do good in pvp sure but the gf potential doesn't even compete with the 3 pvp classes.
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^this +1.
Also, the OP wanting his class to not only be the only sole high damage class, but like someone said earlier, the TR ALREADY employs survivability, mobility, and even cc immunity(TR/GWF the only 2 classes capable of breaking cc).
Let me explain some things TR have in their favor that seems forgotten:
-permastealth build favors you in every fight, due to inability to EVEN TARGET YOU, leaving someone to retreat/change tactics to deal with you.
-ITC/Bloodbath gives you cc immunity. And let's face it, if the TR is even half decent, the only time you see the TR is when their in ITC.
-Might've been nerfed too much in response, but Shocking Execution used to hit through def, and WAS NOT WAI.
-Your combo of stealth and cc immunities/dodges allows you to retreat by FAR better than most of the other classes.
Wanting to further lower DC/GF shows how OP views balance. They already have basically no offenses, and next to no worth in a dungeon(high enough life steal). Permastealth rogues can actually SOLO dungeons.
I'm sorry, but this guy sounds like he's following his own advice: qq when he gets slapped by another class...
You forgot the Shadow Strike bug.
I am VERY tired of waiting for these powers to be fixed. I think it is time for me to exit, because I just don't see them getting fixed at all. Some of them have been around for over a year at this point, and aren't even mentioned as being on anyone's radar to fix. I can't give a business $ when they don't provide a working product.
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I have played the test server and tested everything and they have made the gf much much worse.... i win a lot of 1v1 but on the test server i lose most of the time due to our shield being pointless now.
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Rogues should have HIGH mobility - they have Dexterity as prime stat!
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"Stop ignoring TRs?"... Be careful what you wish for.
I actually don't know about this, ebcause DC's only have to stay in the back line to heal, so if they're caught out of position they should be punished, no? I feel that's how its supposed to work.
No, TRs are going through a major update without bug fixes.
You've obviously never played one. That's probably the worst possible way to try to play a cleric in Neverwinter.
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The way they designed the rogue feels like its a medium mobility class with stealth TBH. Tell me what's high mobility about them.
I have a cleric, but I don't know what you mean by that, clerics are that one class that if it dies, the whole team is in risk of following up. Can you explain better please?
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I felt like it was a buff to them, but everyone seems to be on the negative side, so... I'll wait and see. IMO, they should be buffed, not on the damage, but on the resists. It should be that one class to ignore during a pvp fight until everyone else is dead, meanwhile they are too squishy.
Well, it kinda depends, usually in the last boss when you're trapped in that room, you should be in the center of things helping them and staying protected at the same time... But yeah, I see your point, maybe they should have Medium Resist.
LOL, very true, i have been waiting for a gf buff for a long time and when i read the start of the post saying gf changes i was so happy but then i seen what the changes where..........:(
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I am the one sorry here m8, you should read threads better before giving out those opinions.
1st I'm not a perma-builder
2nd Noone likes to build perma because its way too boring and you are only wasting your time capturing nothing and standing on nodes until someone decides to use AOE
3rd SE still hits through def but now, if you don't get a crit on it, its pretty much not even worth using for as lashing blade will deal much more damage than that (as a daily!)
4th This might be true, but if you watch closely the gameplay of a good TR, all they do is go in, try to kill someone, mostly fail, retreat as low health, regen back, go back in and get the kill on the low health target. This is not fun at all, they only have about 5seconds of a gap to kill someone and that's probably way too late. Watch it closely and you will see the only thing TRs can do is run in and out of nodes doing not much more than getting low hp targets. ITS NOT FUN, its actually really BORING.
5th I never said I wanted to lower DC/GF, I'd like to see where I said that. I even agree with the buffing of those 2 classes, the red highlighting shows that.
I'm sorry but you sound like someone that only likes to throw hate because you didn't want to waste your time reading everything.
Have a good night.
Well I'm sorry here m8, because your OP sounded QQing based, as others have already stated. So, if mine "looked like hate", yours was definitely a whine fest.
1)you may not be a perma, but that IS one of the OP builds that people are calling for nerfs(not myself; just figured I'd have to explain that to you, as YOURE not reading the posts here).
2)the majority of TRs now ARE permastealth. Whether or not they were "forced" into that position is up to them. But the majority of TRs ARE.(btw, I have a non perma path of blades tr, in a perma world
3)other classes have also had their powers nerfed. The thing that debunks your thread is the fact that they've been looked at since beta. Sure, they've been nerfed, but there was good reason for some of said nerfs... Even w/o permastealth, they were initially the hardest hitting class(the 1st "1 shotting" class).
4)what your narrow minded view is forgetting, that you CAN escape. At least 3 other classes(CW/DC/GF) CANT. Not to mention stealth lasts over 5 seconds if you put points in a certain feat, pvp gear, or even any of the perma encounters.
5)you categorized every class but your own(fancy that!) as "low-medium damage"(hr medium-high at best). So your class should have high power AND high mobility in addition to stealth and higher crit chance than everyone else?!
And those are why you were called out on this obvious QQ thread you started. Your thread(through the eyes of not only me but others as well) sounds like nothing more than "buff me/nerf everyone else" QQing.
Now YOU have a good night