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GWF - Updated Mod 4 Changes
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From Gentleman Crush:
Hey guys, we have taken a look at Iron Vanguard and Swordmaster and we wanted to make some changes to bring them more in line with their intended use. First, we are tuning back Iron Vanguard damage on Great Weapon Fighters so that it will line up with Guardian Fighter damage from the same powers. This allows the powers to be more focused on their utility and intent than on their damage, which didn't properly account for the difference in weapon damage when they were ported over. Second, we are improving Weapon Master's Strike and Flourish on both Guardian and Great Weapon Fighters to make them more attractive as damage options. Below are the changes for Great Weapon Fighters (to see the Guardian ones, check out their thread).
Great Weapon Fighter: Threatening Rush: This power now deals ~35% less damage.
Great Weapon Fighter: Frontline Surge: This power now deals ~35% less damage.
Great Weapon Fighter: Weaponmaster's Strike: This power now deals ~10% more damage.
Great Weapon Fighter: Flourish: This power now deals ~15% more damage and stuns for 3 seconds (2 seconds on players).
We are continuing to look at the various changes and so far we are fairly happy with the choice to diversify the damage resistance into a tank bonus, but we want to get continued feedback on that from dungeon runs and PVP so we can better tune where it belongs.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Looks Destroyer is going to be Swordmaster path, and the Sentinel Iron Vanguard path damage got reduced again...
Huzzah Iron Vanguard will easily be the less used path... *shrugs*
Oh well, adapt or die I suppose. I choose adaptation. :cool:
Hey guys, we have taken a look at Iron Vanguard and Swordmaster and we wanted to make some changes to bring them more in line with their intended use. First, we are tuning back Iron Vanguard damage on Great Weapon Fighters so that it will line up with Guardian Fighter damage from the same powers. This allows the powers to be more focused on their utility and intent than on their damage, which didn't properly account for the difference in weapon damage when they were ported over. Second, we are improving Weapon Master's Strike and Flourish on both Guardian and Great Weapon Fighters to make them more attractive as damage options. Below are the changes for Great Weapon Fighters (to see the Guardian ones, check out their thread).
Great Weapon Fighter: Threatening Rush: This power now deals ~35% less damage.
Great Weapon Fighter: Frontline Surge: This power now deals ~35% less damage.
Great Weapon Fighter: Weaponmaster's Strike: This power now deals ~10% more damage.
Great Weapon Fighter: Flourish: This power now deals ~15% more damage and stuns for 3 seconds (2 seconds on players).
We are continuing to look at the various changes and so far we are fairly happy with the choice to diversify the damage resistance into a tank bonus, but we want to get continued feedback on that from dungeon runs and PVP so we can better tune where it belongs.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Looks Destroyer is going to be Swordmaster path, and the Sentinel Iron Vanguard path damage got reduced again...
Huzzah Iron Vanguard will easily be the less used path... *shrugs*
Oh well, adapt or die I suppose. I choose adaptation. :cool:
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Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
Either way, have fun playing in your GF threads and allow the GWFs to discuss amongst ourselves! :cool:
but CW nerf is even worst.. hahaha they like nothing now.. in pvp
Destroyer remains a solid Paingiver in PvE but will have no chance of speccing for competitive PvP.
Sentinel will be decent for PvP, very gear-dependent, not as good as HR/TR, probably even with CW but would lose to a smart one, probably even with GFs. Sentinel PvE will be just worthless.
At least the bandwagons and the nerf threads will go away...
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
We will have to wait and see, and how needed tanks will be in the future.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
ai, ai, ai my good god... MY GOOD GOD.MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD GOD!!!!!!!! if iv goes to space, then let the unstoppable alone. no nerfs, no substitutions. No additions.
Changes in the swordmaster are meh.
I want to wms for damage BONUS. "accumulation of functions" in the same power is bad. and I wanted to see a real buff in steel blitz. maybe wms/bf give a bonus to this.
Flourish change seems a "mea culpa" because of the takedown.
I like this idea for a number of reasons. This should really help GWFs make sense of the proposed change to Unstoppable. It might even open up some doors for some Instigator play. Interesting indeed...
Having said that, it still seems like a lot of dials to turn at once. On top of several powers/feats being changed drastically, we're now also looking at re-works of both of our core class mechanics.
GWF is going under the knife, can't say I'm not excited.
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
you do realize that this 'nerf' brings FLS and TR down to the level of damage it does when you have the base weapon damage of *ahem* the class it was designed for in the first place! Nerf, pffft.
Mod 3 Destroyer tree got buffed in DPS a lot so this is the compensation we paid
I'm losing hope of ever properly finishing CN VT or MC..
GG GWF gonna be so bad without prone and dmg. THIS BETTER NOT GO ON LIVE. Unless they want everyone play TR and HR.
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Hey guys, we looked into some survivability options for Great Weapon Fighters and we felt Sprint was pretty lacking at the moment in comparison to other shift mechanics as far as allowing you to respond to danger so we are also making the following change.
Great Weapon Fighter: Sprint: Sprint now grants 30% more damage resistance while active and makes you Immune to CC while sprinting.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Thats means GWf will have 2 cc immunities.... WOW!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
combined with that 3 sec flourish(that probably interupts everything even itc) stun destroyer might be a fun setup to play.
some old school flourish takedown battle strike.
I think in pve it will be enough to stay alive, using twitch mini sprints during reds.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
Nerf: In video gaming, a nerf is a change to a game that reduces the desirability or effectiveness of a particular game element. The term is also used as a verb for the act of making such a change.
If you can't/won't realize that, no skin off my back bud... It's all good in the hood!
Also, special note, a giant two-hand sword should do more damage then a single handed blade. Hence the different styles of fighting with a Longsword versus a Scottish Claymore, or a Katana versus a No-Dachi. Some cause more mayhem then others, it's obvious. At least to me...
I'm interested about the set's and weapon bonus with critical, so i'm using destro 2parts and senti 2 parts, with Castle champion+knot (463+463+450 critical), we lose deflection and defense but dps changes a lot. I'm not interested in 1vs1, i think if we can approximate some numbers we can a better job in PVP (power, critical and AP).
Naturally it should. But we are discussing a game and game ballance. If a power was designed to give a certain damage based off of one quantity and is applied, unmodified, to a base that is 150% of the origonal quantity it becomes unballanced. The devs made a mistake when they cut-pasted the trees from the fighter classes onto each other (case in point why would you ever build a swordmaster GF? Few GWFs even use it any more.) It was a bad design move. Not to mention taking an at-will closer that is necissary on the slowest class in the game and applying it to one with sprint. If they gave HRs GWF weapon damage it would be unballanced because of the ratios on their abilities.
Why don't you stick to your GF posts. All you do is bash the GWF in any way possible.
You need to relax a little bit and let the GWF discuss their class.
My sense says: Too much changes is not good. In my conception (in RPG):
GWF = Best damage, high hp but lower defense
GF = Medium damage, Medium HP, High defense
Mages = Controllers, high damage, worst defense (if you are a controller that means -- stay away from me!!)
HR = Dexterity (hard to hit but they are not supposed to have good damage)
TR = The Trickster...
DC's = The helpers (why have good damage?)
That make any senses for you?
GWF = "no hp, no mitigation" or "no damage"
A choice between two unplayable versions is not a choice.
Dev 1 "Lets rip up the paths, nerf all of their damage, destroy the gap closers, that will make the whining stop"
Dev 2" Question, that will make that class pretty unplayable, will it not?"
Boss of Devs "Who cares, they had thier day, make them pay to gear up a different class"
Dev 3" But, I designed them, it was a masterpiece of work, we going to give them at least a respec token right"
Boss of Devs " Ha, HA, HAAAAA, HA... good one, next issue, how to rip the CWs paths down to nothing, we will make them pay for a respec token as well.. Not enough played that MoF line anyways.. every CW will now have to be MoF oppressor or quit playing"
sigh.. I removed all names to avoid issues
This makes sense to me
GWF = Best damage, high hp but lower defense. High dmg, medium HP, medium defense/ or medium dmg, medium HP, high defense
GF = Medium damage, Medium HP, High defense Below medium damage + party buff, High HP, High defense/ or High dmg, medium HP, medium defense
Mages = Controllers, high damage, worst defense (if you are a controller that means -- stay away from me!!) If controller: medium damage + enemies debuff, medium defense, low HP/ If dps: Best dmg - due to AoE, low HP, low defense
HR = Dexterity (hard to hit but they are not supposed to have good damage) High dmg, low defense, low HP and low threat generation
TR = The Trickster... medium single target dmg + DoT+ enemies debuff, low HP, low defense/ or high single target dmg + DoT, low defense, low HP
DC's = The helpers (why have good damage?) - I like dwarf DC!!!
Mod4 gwf will be a ton more boring.
Gwf goes into Sharandar minidungeon. Here comes a group of one semi-elite and four trash mobs.
Sent version: after one hour of fight, the gwf uses IS daily and removes 10% hp off the redcap trash mob. Good, he thinks, let's save the game, by the end of the week I will have completed this fight"
Destr version: After many wipes, the gwf decides to focus all his attacks at one and the same trash mob and kills it just before getting overnumbered by the three remaining trash mobs and the semi elite. Thanks to his unstoppable he survived 3% longer. Also his 93 sprints helped him a lot to disengage, even if it's not efficient really in the small rooms of a dungeon, whose foes can almost always use ranged attacks, or teleports, or charges.