zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited June 2014
. . . We're doing his bidding and he's rewarding us. Besides, he refuses to buy any of my potions or magical trinkets... *the mage grumles* Still mad over the Alhoon worm incident, I presume. Oh.. nay, I don't think Elminster minds.
I'm pretty sure he's done his fair share of moonlighting and fetch quests over the years. He's just passing on the tradition for us newcomers.
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spike0337Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited June 2014
If you look at his quest he's give it looks like he's getting an army together.A lot of his quest deal with the Harpers but got one saying we may need the Zhentarim.Harpers and Zhentarim working together = something big coming.Might be Tyranny of Dragons!!!So having us run all over Neverwinter getting allies and giving us equipment makes sense to me.
PS just be happy you didn't need to wait for hours/days and fill out endless series of forms to meet him.
That's Elminster? I figured Gandalf had just got lost...
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited June 2014
I have to second Zeb and spike. First of all Elminster isn't really the shop, he's being the nurturing meddler that is is so well known for. He's getting people up and moving to better themselves and those around him and is more or less nudging people into taking action. And that isn't even accounting for the Harper storyline that is ramping up.
I wouldn't call this a misuse. The only other way he could be used is as a one time talk to event and that would have been a disappointment.
That's Elminster? I figured Gandalf had just got lost...
Elminster is Gandalf on steroids.
See Gandalf died fighting a single Pit Fiend. Elminster went to hell and lived to tell the tale. Although he didn't do that much destruction since he was busy pretending to be a captive he did have The Simbul come and I am pretty sure some princes of the nine hells peed their pants seeing a crazy haired woman floating around hell screaming, 'WHERE IS ELMINSTER!?"
Pretty sure it looked something like this. And just remember, she is not more powerful than Elminster.
If you look at his quest he's give it looks like he's getting an army together.A lot of his quest deal with the Harpers but got one saying we may need the Zhentarim.Harpers and Zhentarim working together = something big coming.Might be Tyranny of Dragons!!!So having us run all over Neverwinter getting allies and giving us equipment makes sense to me.
PS just be happy you didn't need to wait for hours/days and fill out endless series of forms to meet him.
You're right. M4 is going to come with an epic storyline, especially if WotC is pushing it.
It's all fun and games until someone casts Mordenkainen's Disjunction.
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If you look at his quest he's give it looks like he's getting an army together.A lot of his quest deal with the Harpers but got one saying we may need the Zhentarim.Harpers and Zhentarim working together = something big coming.Might be Tyranny of Dragons!!!
Definitely. When you're send to the harper in Neverdeath Graveyard, she mentions the dragon cultists being up to something.
See Gandalf died fighting a single Pit Fiend. Elminster went to hell and lived to tell the tale. Although he didn't do that much destruction since he was busy pretending to be a captive he did have The Simbul come and I am pretty sure some princes of the nine hells peed their pants seeing a crazy haired woman floating around hell screaming, 'WHERE IS ELMINSTER!?"
Pretty sure it looked something like this. And just remember, she is not more powerful than Elminster.
Gandalf fought a Valaraukar (the destroyer of Khazad-Dum & Durin's Bane), not a lowly pit fiend, died and then came back to tell the tale... Though let's see though Garrulous old Mage, dressed in Grey with a Sword and Staff... Gandalf was owning mobs before Elminster born
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Edwin Odesseiron once said it best. "Elminster this, Elminster that. Give *me* 2000 years and a pointy hat and I'll kick his <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>!"
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excessfloodMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited June 2014
Gandalf is a scrub and Elminster is overrated.
Sincerely, Mordenkainen.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
Gandalf fought a Valaraukar (the destroyer of Khazad-Dum & Durin's Bane), not a lowly pit fiend, died and then came back to tell the tale... Though let's see though Garrulous old Mage, dressed in Grey with a Sword and Staff... Gandalf was owning mobs before Elminster born
A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.
Giving a pit fiend a name and a title doesn't change the fact he's a pit fiend. As stated the term Balrog was not used in D&D due to Tolkien proprieties but a Balrog is a Pit Fiend or Balor right down to the common depictions of the flaming whip.
The Simbul cut through them like a hit knife through butter. They might as well have been the flies and her the swatter.
Giving a pit fiend a name and a title doesn't change the fact he's a pit fiend. As stated the term Balrog was not used in D&D due to Tolkien proprieties but a Balrog is a Pit Fiend or Balor right down to the common depictions of the flaming whip.
The Simbul cut through them like a hit knife through butter. They might as well have been the flies and her the swatter.
Regardless a Valaraukar/Balrog is neither a pit fiend nor a Balor, no matter how close D&D copy the idea... As for the Simbul, when a good story doesn't work... Let's go munchkin
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited June 2014
When the Renegade Evoker (I think) was released Zeb was smooth jealous the dang NBC had fireball.
He was like, I want it! I want it! I want it now!!
That's Elminster? I figured Gandalf had just got lost...
If you are referring to what Elminster looks like,... well what they are using in game is his original concept art. If you look at the cover for 'Spellfire' you will find he looks very much like what they put in game.
He has had many artistic incarnations over the years (and even spent years of his life as a woman). So he can look different.
Regardless a Valaraukar/Balrog is neither a pit fiend nor a Balor, no matter how close D&D copy the idea... As for the Simbul, when a good story doesn't work... Let's go munchkin
True. 'The' Balrog was the same race as Gandalf and the wizards, just in a different form. In fact the Balrog would have won if Gandalf hadn't the Elvin ring of power:fire to protect him from its fire.
Pit fiends are inspired on the concept of the Balrog.
Trying to argue who is more powerful is sort of silly. Gandalf is a sort of lesser angel. Elminster is a super powerful fighter/rogue/cleric/wizard, with god essence in his veins, Both from quite different worlds. Don't even try my friend.
True. 'The' Balrog was the same race as Gandalf and the wizards, just in a different form. In fact the Balrog would have won if Gandalf hadn't the Elvin ring of power:fire to protect him from its fire.
Pit fiends are inspired on the concept of the Balrog.
Trying to argue who is more powerful is sort of silly. Gandalf is a sort of lesser angel. Elminster is a super powerful fighter/rogue/cleric/wizard, with god essence in his veins, Both from quite different worlds. Don't even try my friend.
Elminster was not a fighter/rogue/cleric/wizard. He was a 20thlvl mage until greenwood decided all of a sudden he had to be all that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Elminster is a 2bit copy of gandalf and to say otherwise is making yourself look stupid. He even copied gandalf by all of a sudden using a sword. Greenwood, TSR, and WOTC have retconned elminster and the forgottenrealms so much its tragic.
If Elminster is in the city I'm not sure why he needs to send us to go stop the bad guys in the skirmish (lore wise) since he would probably be able to handle all of them solo, and with bonus time to spare. :P
Also, the skirmish showcases how incompetent the city guards are! (An unfortunate requirement for gameplay I think ^_^).
Elminster was not a fighter/rogue/cleric/wizard. He was a 20thlvl mage until greenwood decided all of a sudden he had to be all that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Elminster is a 2bit copy of gandalf and to say otherwise is making yourself look stupid. He even copied gandalf by all of a sudden using a sword. Greenwood, TSR, and WOTC have retconned elminster and the forgottenrealms so much its tragic.
Read the novel Elminster the making of a mage. He learns all these classes. It is cannon. Thanks for playing.
If Elminster is in the city I'm not sure why he needs to send us to go stop the bad guys in the skirmish (lore wise) since he would probably be able to handle all of them solo, and with bonus time to spare. :P
Also, the skirmish showcases how incompetent the city guards are! (An unfortunate requirement for gameplay I think ^_^).
For the same reasons gods rarely walk the earth and deal with things directly. If he did all the BIG nasty villans would come out too. And cause massive collateral damage. This happens in every book where he intervenes directly.
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PS just be happy you didn't need to wait for hours/days and fill out endless series of forms to meet him.
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
I wouldn't call this a misuse. The only other way he could be used is as a one time talk to event and that would have been a disappointment.
Elminster is Gandalf on steroids.
See Gandalf died fighting a single Pit Fiend. Elminster went to hell and lived to tell the tale. Although he didn't do that much destruction since he was busy pretending to be a captive he did have The Simbul come and I am pretty sure some princes of the nine hells peed their pants seeing a crazy haired woman floating around hell screaming, 'WHERE IS ELMINSTER!?"
Pretty sure it looked something like this. And just remember, she is not more powerful than Elminster.
You're right. M4 is going to come with an epic storyline, especially if WotC is pushing it.
It's all fun and games until someone casts Mordenkainen's Disjunction.
Blood Magic (RELEASED) - NW-DUU2P7HCO
Children of the Fey (RELEASED) - NW-DKSSAPFPF
Buried Under Blacklake (WIP) - NW-DEDV2PAEP
The Redcap Rebels (WIP) - NW-DO23AFHFH
My Foundry playthrough channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/Ruskaga/featured
Gandalf fought a Valaraukar (the destroyer of Khazad-Dum & Durin's Bane), not a lowly pit fiend, died and then came back to tell the tale... Though let's see though Garrulous old Mage, dressed in Grey with a Sword and Staff... Gandalf was owning mobs before Elminster born
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Edwin Odesseiron once said it best. "Elminster this, Elminster that. Give *me* 2000 years and a pointy hat and I'll kick his <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>!"
Sincerely, Mordenkainen.
A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.
Giving a pit fiend a name and a title doesn't change the fact he's a pit fiend. As stated the term Balrog was not used in D&D due to Tolkien proprieties but a Balrog is a Pit Fiend or Balor right down to the common depictions of the flaming whip.
The Simbul cut through them like a hit knife through butter. They might as well have been the flies and her the swatter.
hope Elminster is not a Control Wizard or he will have a baaaaad time fighting some tyran dragons...
Regardless a Valaraukar/Balrog is neither a pit fiend nor a Balor, no matter how close D&D copy the idea... As for the Simbul, when a good story doesn't work... Let's go munchkin
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
He was like, I want it! I want it! I want it now!!
If you are referring to what Elminster looks like,... well what they are using in game is his original concept art. If you look at the cover for 'Spellfire' you will find he looks very much like what they put in game.
He has had many artistic incarnations over the years (and even spent years of his life as a woman). So he can look different.
True. 'The' Balrog was the same race as Gandalf and the wizards, just in a different form. In fact the Balrog would have won if Gandalf hadn't the Elvin ring of power:fire to protect him from its fire.
Pit fiends are inspired on the concept of the Balrog.
Trying to argue who is more powerful is sort of silly. Gandalf is a sort of lesser angel. Elminster is a super powerful fighter/rogue/cleric/wizard, with god essence in his veins, Both from quite different worlds. Don't even try my friend.
Its kinda like going on the STO forums and starting a debate over what ship would win, Enterprise or an Imperial Super Star Destroyer.
Also, the skirmish showcases how incompetent the city guards are! (An unfortunate requirement for gameplay I think ^_^).
Elminister is drawn more as Gandalf the grey rather than Elminster.
Take a look at these
Elminster wears red, not grey......how could they get somthing sooo wrong...
Ftr1 = Fighter
Rog 2 = Rogue
Cleric 3
Wiz 20 = Wizard
Acm 5 = Archmage
Epic 4
so as you can see back in 2001 he had other stuff already for dnd 3e.....
Don't have the stats for 4e....
And as for him not doing stuff ....
"The strongest of Mystra Chosen rarely moves directly against his foes, preferring to work through younger and more vigorous heroes."
He helped found the harpers and is well also a good dancer and actor
I mean, almost everyone playing the game has killed a ton of pit fiends. They're not that special. Now massed packs of erinyes, on the other hand...
Read the novel Elminster the making of a mage. He learns all these classes. It is cannon. Thanks for playing.
For the same reasons gods rarely walk the earth and deal with things directly. If he did all the BIG nasty villans would come out too. And cause massive collateral damage. This happens in every book where he intervenes directly.