Guardian Fighter poll, about being ignored.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

thestaggy · June 2014

I'm going to try one more major respec and if that doesn't improve things and Cryptic does not address us, I'll go back to my DC or elevate my GWF to my main.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

im not speccing anymore! I've spent probably $80 on just retraining Tokens.

aethanas · June 2014

I do not think I will support something for long, if I get the notion one day that someone is not doing their work right. But for now ...

ocano · June 2014

Not much of a boycott to play another class. Even if nobody will play the GF anymore it's not going to change squat. GF is not a needed class unlike, for example, a healer or damage dealer.

oicidraz · June 2014

When I played with my HR I spent like $100 in gear, mounts, stuff..., since I started playing my GF I didn't spent nothing, I won't suport this, however, I won't leave my GF, .

emilemo · June 2014

Well, If they do leave the class as it is, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing now. I'll focus on my main GWF while slowly completing Sharandar and doing some Doms on the GF.

lisaxxii · June 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

Guardian Fighter poll, about being ignored.

Dude, please stop. You make a new post every day about this. We know. The Devs know. The Devs have given official word about it.

STOP!!!!!!!!!!

emilemo · June 2014

Iaarrghhh stop it now ! ( in Arnie voice )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLR-8c11ms

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

We have not been given any word about any changes that really matter other then, Healing while guard is up, and aggro generation and a possible change to guard.

aethanas · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

Dude, please stop. You make a new post every day about this. We know. The Devs know. The Devs have given official word about it.

STOP!!!!!!!!!!

Many GF players are simply too frustrated; and if anymore neglected, refused or suppressed I think we can say bye-bye to even more GF players here.

thegrandexeno · June 2014

I really sifted through many many options, and arrived at the only conclusion that could net GF some attention. BEFRIEND DEVS, make them play the class (from what I read from people they mainly preview-test played GWF & CW, and in any case BADLY -that's why they buffed blindly-), LICK THEM UP, make Brown Nosing a class feat (lol).

Really, no sarcasm here. It's been proved that from a technical, logical, game-know how, devs can't be trusted: all that remains is to "get cozy with them" to get something accomplished. What a poor poor sad world.

kattefjaes · June 2014

aethanas wrote: »

Many GF players are simply too frustrated; and if anymore neglected, refused or suppressed I think we can say bye-bye to even more GF players here.

The problem is, because the class is largely pointless, they will rarely be missed.

aethanas · June 2014

kattefjaes wrote: »

The problem is, because the class is largely pointless, they will rarely be missed.

That is sadly valid.
I will do it like I did with PWI (Perfect World International), I watch how things change and if my chosen class gets abandoned and if I am no longer happy with the game, I will move on as I do not see a reason to support something I dislike.
I like to play my Control Wizard as well, but this is not enough to kind of excuse that the Devs implement another class (in this case my first choice) and then decide with their further doing that this class is no longer welcomed. If all of this were true then I would reckon that someone is not doing their job right and does not deserve any support.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

kattefjaes wrote: »

The problem is, because the class is largely pointless, they will rarely be missed.

It is because we are pointless we need the most attention!

Guardian Fighters have become the wandering Lazarus Man looking for a place to help, whilst he walks the toughest road to get there!

emilemo · June 2014

I made a new GWF Sent last night, at lvl 6 he is more capable than my GF Conq at 60 ! True story

lisaxxii · June 2014

thegrandexeno wrote: »

I really sifted through many many options, and arrived at the only conclusion that could net GF some attention. BEFRIEND DEVS, make them play the class (from what I read from people they mainly preview-test played GWF & CW, and in any case BADLY -that's why they buffed blindly-), LICK THEM UP, make Brown Nosing a class feat (lol).

Really, no sarcasm here. It's been proved that from a technical, logical, game-know how, devs can't be trusted: all that remains is to "get cozy with them" to get something accomplished. What a poor poor sad world.

Yeah but the Devs seem to listen to the guys with their names in green. And there's a guy with a green name who mains a GF and comes into every GF discussion and says everything is fine. Sooooo there's that.

But making a new thread EVERY DAY complaining isn't going to help. It's going to hurt. So please.... For the love of god..... Stop.

Go to the 100000 OLD threads and bump the conversation there.

Also about what you mentioned about the changes being useless: they did not specify anything specific, you have no idea if what they are proposing will help.

Block? HELL YEAH give me more block, that's going to help a ton in PvP. So would allowing me to buff myself and teammates more effectively. Stop complaining about **** that hasent been implemented or even decided on!

I understand and support your rage though.

daaly · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

Yeah but the Devs seem to listen to the guys with their names in green. And there's a guy with a green name who mains a GF and comes into every GF discussion and says everything is fine. Sooooo there's that.

But making a new thread EVERY DAY complaining isn't going to help. It's going to hurt. So please.... For the love of god..... Stop.

Go to the 100000 OLD threads and bump the conversation there.

Also about what you mentioned about the changes being useless: they did not specify anything specific, you have no idea if what they are proposing will help.

Block? HELL YEAH give me more block, that's going to help a ton in PvP. So would allowing me to buff myself and teammates more effectively. Stop complaining about **** that hasent been implemented or even decided on!

I understand and support your rage though.

You are correct to a point and let me show why...

1) There has been no such offical announcement yet on what exactly they intend to do with our (GF) class. There has been speculation from a community mod and such but nothing of substance or officially announced. If this was another more dps friendly class say a CW or GWF etc., the anticipation, anger and fustraition on whats coming would barely register but seeing as this proposed and hyped intended GF change has been kept under wraps until it is released for preview (beta) testing the mood of the players is more than understandable.

2) While the dev staff is correct to a point in not giving out everything they are specifically intending to do with the GF class it is also not unreasonable to expect an offical post outlining a general overview of changes for a class that has been left adrift on dev attention since launch. An offical announcement even one leaving out specifics and just giving a general overview on elements the devs would like to adjust would go along ways to mitigate the mood of the community which tbh is not all that good. The devs may also want to start an offical thread and sticky it for GF ideas on changes for a consolodated list instead of searching the 1,000's of threads already out there.

3) Bickering among the GF community does nothing except cover for poor developement on class issues (I've been on more than my share of beta mods on WoW and EQ2 among others and when the community starts eating their own thats when devs get extremely lazy on addressing issues).

Just my 2 AD on this issue.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

Thats well and good, but the GWF has been changed considerably what 3 times now and are more powerful then ever ( To Powerful) The new HR paragon makes then literally unkillable unless you form a raid party to kill one.

The GF unwanted in PVE and Un-necessary really in PVP being killed off by experienced players in seconds whilst we try and progress in the game with poor mechanics, and abysmal DPS is ridiculous!

I have spent far to much $$$ to just start over!

All we have heard was this

gentlemancrush wrote: »

Hey guys, I wanted to drop by and talk a bit about Guardian Fighters and what is going on with them in the coming months. We have heard your feedback, and have been looking hard at where and how they fit into combat and group structure. We decided that we did not have time to implement the changes we wanted to make to improve Guardian Fighter utility, group strength, and tanking tools and still get adequate testing in. Therefore we wanted to step back and take a longer look at Guardians and make some bigger changes to them on a longer time frame where we could get more testing in.

We wanted to address a couple of really big issues that we feel are impeding the Guardian's ability to tank in groups. While we have not finalized the specifics about the changes we are making, I wanted to share some of the major issues we are hitting with the changes we are working on.
Threat Generation and Aggro Control - We know how frustrating it is to try and maintain threat with how much damage other classes can dish out, so we are making some key changes to allow the Guardian to both capitalize on that and generate substantially more threat in his own kit as well.

Interaction between Blocking and healers - We are looking at several options to adjust Block that removes some of the binary "I am blocking and therefore don't really benefit from healing" gameplay that exists as well as the risk of Block being broken so rapidly under sustained fire.

Group utility benefits - We wanted to provide some buffs that allow the Guardian to empower his teammates a bit as well as long as he is fulfilling his role correctly and maintaining threat on targets, and we have a couple ideas we are trying to allow the guardian to provide some pretty powerful increases to ally output without sacrificing the core of his role.

I don't currently have a timeline for when you guys will be able to see these things, but I wanted you guys to know we are taking your feedback and we are working on changes to improve Guardian gameplay and tanking in general.

Thank you again for the continued feedback!

Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer

This addresses none of our concerns to help make the GF viable other then a change to guard!

kolevra · June 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

We have not been given any word about any changes that really matter other then, Healing while guard is up, and aggro generation and a possible change to guard.

I haven't read much about the upcoming changes but this ^^ sounds incredibly promising! Like another said, give it a rest!

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

kolevra wrote: »

I haven't read much about the upcoming changes but this ^^ sounds incredibly promising! Like another said, give it a rest!

You play a GWF, why you are commenting on a class you don't main is beyond me? Clearly you have no idea what the GF needs as if you played one you would know Threat Generation, Healing while Guard is up is not our concerns!

For you to openly say "Incredibly Promising" speaks volumes!

This is incredibly promising for you! As we will still be a free Glory kill for you!

quitegonejin · June 2014

GF's are the only class that have no place in pvp, pve and even on the forums. Dev's clearly hate you.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

quitegonejin wrote: »

GF's are the only class that have no place in pvp, pve and even on the forums. Dev's clearly hate you.

I agree with you! I think they do hate the GF class, thats why GWF were given our paragon!

aethanas · June 2014

To be honest, it do not see a serious need to increase the damage of a Guardian Fighter, and if Cryptic wants to have a pure tanking class they should increase Threat Generation to make tanking even more reliable, but anyway they should enhance the survivability of a GF by a great deal. A Tank does not need to dish out great amounts of damage if she is able to withstand big amounts of damage to kill everything bit by bit or being too sturdy to be defeated so easily.

But right now, the GF is mostly a easy victim for Glory farming and if they made the GF so sturdy that no GWF were able to kill her easily, then the Guardian Fighter would be close to unkillable for other classes, except a Trickster Rogue. But is that bad? Would that not be the only remarkable strength of a tanking class? To be able to withstand much more of the incoming attacks than all other classes?

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

DPS needs to be increased some as DC do more then we do as a healer? Increase our DPS or weapon damage and more threat is made.

aethanas · June 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

DPS needs to be increased some as DC do more then we do as a healer? Increase our DPS or weapon damage and more threat is made.

I did see that, but that is partly resulting from the fact that concentrating on Threat negates damage, as every power which generates more Threat does little to no damage. Increasing the Weapon damage is nothing I would criticise, it is actually quite funny that a Cleric's Symbol has more damage than a Guardian's Longsword.
If a GF were able to deal damage and generate Threat additionally, it would help a bit but there is more to do in the end part of this would be that many animations get faster and the powers of the GF were no longer so easily interrupted as sometimes - for example - a Guardian needs more than one try to fire off Villain's Menace when many pushing and kicking mobs are around him and that is not such a strong Daily that would justify this big flaw.

ripyourlipsoff · June 2014

aethanas wrote: »

I did see that, but that is partly resulting from the fact that concentrating on Threat negates damage, as every power which generates more Threat does little to no damage. Increasing the Weapon damage is nothing I would criticise, it is actually quite funny that a Cleric's Symbol has more damage than a Guardian's Longsword.
If a GF were able to deal damage and generate Threat additionally, it would help a bit but there is more to do in the end part of this would be that many animations get faster and the powers of the GF were no longer so easily interrupted as sometimes - for example - a Guardian needs more than one try to fire off Villain's Menace when many pushing and kicking mobs are around him and that is not such a strong Daily that would justify this big flaw.

This could be easily remedied by allowing the GF to use encounters and dailies while blocking!

guille23mx · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

Dude, please stop. You make a new post every day about this. We know. The Devs know. The Devs have given official word about it.

STOP!!!!!!!!!!

DONT STOP!!!!! WE NEED TO YELL TO THE DEFT EARS OF THE DEVS!!!!!

Only I have to say is this:

CRYPTIC I KNOW YOU HATE GF'S BUT WILL ASK THIS ONCE MORE:
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME RUNNNING SPEED AS THE GWF....
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME TAB ABILITY AS THE GWF...CC INMUNNE AND GOD EASY MODE HEALING UNSTOPABLE
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME WEAPON DAMAGE AS THE GWF 1000 (NOT 600)
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME HITTING SPEED AS THE GWF (EVEN WITH THE LITTLE SPEED BUFF IN UNSTOPABLE U GAVE TO GWF)
-GIVE MY GF A GOD **** REAL SHIELD , NOT A TISSUE PAPER LIKE UR GIVEN US. ONE THAT CAN SUSTAIN 100 HITS GOD DAMMIT!
-GIVE MY GF A INSTANT RAISE SHIELD, NOT A .5 SEC AFTER LIKE WE ARE NOW. INSTANT !!

AND YEAH AFTER ALL THAT.
WHEN U ARE ROLLING YOUR DEVS EXCURSIONS AND OPEN WORLD PVP ...U SHOULD PROBABLY RUN FROM US... AS PROBABLY
YOU ALWAYS USE YOUR VERY MUCH LOVED AND PREFERED CLASES... HR, TR, CW, GWF
AS THINGS ARE NOW... U DONT HAVE THE BALLS WE DO TO RUN A GF IN DWARVEN VALLEY.
ENOUGH SAID

guille23mx · June 2014

And yeah!! While youre at it.... U should roll a gf in you new content and come with all of us gf's and try to farm for your black ice arms trying to outdps all other classes. Hahahahhahahhahahhahahhaahaha i would pay to see that. Lmfao

guille23mx · June 2014

One final note:

In this game...nobody cares for threat. Nobody!!!! So stop being silly giving us threat when were not remotely wanted in pve. Gives us what we stated above for at least a better chance at pvp.
THEN ILL SPEND SOME MONEY!!!!!

kolevra · June 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

You play a GWF, why you are commenting on a class you don't main is beyond me? Clearly you have no idea what the GF needs as if you played one you would know Threat Generation, Healing while Guard is up is not our concerns!

For you to openly say "Incredibly Promising" speaks volumes!

This is incredibly promising for you! As we will still be a free Glory kill for you!

Not everyone is your enemy....

I have good friends who play the class. I like playing with them. I don't like that they have to be underpowered. Believe it or not, I want to see the class back up to speed. Why is it so hard for some people to accept that not everyone on these forums is in some kind of fanatical class war?

Threat generation if done properly would immediately make GFs more useful in PvE. Especially if it comes hand in hand with a redesigned Tier 3 dungeon set that requires tanking.

Healing while Guard is up is a potential nightmare for an enemy trying to take you off a Domination cap. There are plenty of GOOD GF who can already go toe-to-toe with a GWF for a cap (dont believe me or do, they are out there). The thought of healing while guard is up, I imagine, is absolutely tantalizing to a good PvP GF.

The possibility of an entire rework to Guard is such a promising idea. Very vague, sure, but without knowing more how can you so easily dismiss it as something you are not concerned with?

My point is this, the devs have acknowledged it which means they have a good idea of what they are going to change. In the mean time, theres not much you can suggest or complain about that is likely to change their minds. My advice to you would be to roll a GWF. Your blind rage and bitter jealousy of ANYONE who plays a GWF is so overbearing that its become quite obvious that deep down inside you really just want GF to be a GWF. Just roll one. If not, move on from it and just be patient.

Guardian Fighter poll, about being ignored.

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