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Elixirs Negatively impacting the pvp community
adamy2004
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I think its high time to remove the use of elixirs and combat potions in pvp. they severely impact you're stats and gives you a massive advantage over players who do not use them. not to mention in actual premades they are normally disallowed (top tier pvp) especially the elixirs that last through death. now that everyone has gotten so much tankier due to tenacity some of these elixirs have become ridiculous on classes like Guardian fighters and Great weapon fighters making them nearly impossible to kill in a 1v1 situation and sometimes even in a 2v1 situation vs a elixir user.
To those of you who remember the times of the immortal Great weapon fighter build you will also remember that you could use [Major Potion of Rejuvenation]. the devs removed this single potion from being able to be used in pvp for a reason, the reason was because a GWF could outheal nearly all the damage done and was completely broken, now with tenacity a similar situation has arisen. groups have started running full elixirs because they care about their ELO and so they are buying these overpowered elixirs to win, effectively buying wins in pvp.
Please, developers, you obviously care about the pvp community otherwise you wouldn't be making module 3 nearly all about PvP. so care about the system we currently have and please remove the use of these elixirs, they are creating a massive negative impact
[Sunlord's Gift Elixir] Grants you 300 additional Recovery (this bonus scales with your level) and you have a chance to gain 5% of your Action Points over 20 seconds.
[Foehammer's Favor Elixir] Increases Deflection by 300 (this bonus scales with your level) and increase Deflect Severity by 10% for 3,600 seconds.
[Elixir of Fate] Increases Strength, Constitution, Dexterity, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma by 1 for 30 minutes. These bonuses stack with other potion bonuses.
[Wild Storm Elixir] Grants you 300 additional Critical Strike (this bonus scales with your level) and increases your Critical Severity by 10% for 3,600 seconds
[Elixir of Corellon's Blood] Increases Power by 300 for 3,600 seconds and you have a chance to gain up to 5 stacks of 60 Power (this bonus scales with your level).
[Elixir of Steadfast Devotion] Increases Defense by 300 and Regeneration by 300 (these bonuses scale with your level) for 3,600 seconds.
[Potion of Heroism] Increases your Primary and Secondary attributes by 1 for 1 hour. This effect persists through death.
All of these are usable in pvp which is ridiculous! spend 30k/player for a full premade of elixirs and you pretty much cannot loose. unless you are absolutely terrible. but even if then. elixirs can carry pretty much any group to victory
To those of you who remember the times of the immortal Great weapon fighter build you will also remember that you could use [Major Potion of Rejuvenation]. the devs removed this single potion from being able to be used in pvp for a reason, the reason was because a GWF could outheal nearly all the damage done and was completely broken, now with tenacity a similar situation has arisen. groups have started running full elixirs because they care about their ELO and so they are buying these overpowered elixirs to win, effectively buying wins in pvp.
Please, developers, you obviously care about the pvp community otherwise you wouldn't be making module 3 nearly all about PvP. so care about the system we currently have and please remove the use of these elixirs, they are creating a massive negative impact
[Sunlord's Gift Elixir] Grants you 300 additional Recovery (this bonus scales with your level) and you have a chance to gain 5% of your Action Points over 20 seconds.
[Foehammer's Favor Elixir] Increases Deflection by 300 (this bonus scales with your level) and increase Deflect Severity by 10% for 3,600 seconds.
[Elixir of Fate] Increases Strength, Constitution, Dexterity, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma by 1 for 30 minutes. These bonuses stack with other potion bonuses.
[Wild Storm Elixir] Grants you 300 additional Critical Strike (this bonus scales with your level) and increases your Critical Severity by 10% for 3,600 seconds
[Elixir of Corellon's Blood] Increases Power by 300 for 3,600 seconds and you have a chance to gain up to 5 stacks of 60 Power (this bonus scales with your level).
[Elixir of Steadfast Devotion] Increases Defense by 300 and Regeneration by 300 (these bonuses scale with your level) for 3,600 seconds.
[Potion of Heroism] Increases your Primary and Secondary attributes by 1 for 1 hour. This effect persists through death.
All of these are usable in pvp which is ridiculous! spend 30k/player for a full premade of elixirs and you pretty much cannot loose. unless you are absolutely terrible. but even if then. elixirs can carry pretty much any group to victory
Don't waste my time.
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Its funny how some people are adamant against companion use yet support these types of pots in PVP.
I would argue that these potions are slightly more costly than companions because every match you have, you gotta pot up
Using these pots defeat the purpose of pvp and competitive gameplay and being able to buy 30k AD worth of elixirs to win a match ruins the game. and on top of that, with the new leaderboards coming out in module 3, everyone might as well run full elixirs because they will all be caring about their K/D and so pvp will no longer be a representation of skill, more like who can run out of elixirs last
They are different cause they are consumables. Rank 10, perfects, are there to stay, and a worthy investment.
Drinking yourself full of pots/PvP session just shows how desperate you are for a win, basically willing to spend good AD on something that will disappear in an hour.
Also this is pretty much forcing everybody else to spend the same amount to be on par, especially if the elixir user is an already full Rank 10/perfects/legendary artifacts BiS GWF... that finds it hard to die.
But in the end, I personally don't care. I only use them if I see them on the enemy first and if we are losing. I also lose respect for those using them.
The server merge brought some weird rules from other servers. On Mindflayer, all the leading PvP guilds potted up for premades. The whole "no pot" thing is a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> rule, but gives bad losers something to QQ about.
I can afford it. Deal with it. BTW, I am the only one in my guild who can afford it as most of the others don't even have Rank 8/9 enchantments. Not even our best players. So if you hear people tell you that it's more than 1 person in my (guild) team potting up, know that those people are extremely pathetic and cannot deal with the fact that they just suck.
If someone wants me not to use them, ok... but then I have a "fairness demand", too: No Emblems!
If I can afford a P. Vorp., I use it. If I can afford Rank 10s, I use them. If I can afford Elixirs, I use them. Our guild's, in my opinion, best TR has 2 blue Artifacts and Rank 7s, and he can keep up with any BiS TR out there. In the end of the day, this game is about skill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all up for even gear in PvP. But then make it even gear and not BS like "no pots". If someone runs a full BiS premade with multiple Emblems, sucks, and then QQs about me making up a little for the huge difference in gear with pots, then I just laugh about this player and lose all respect for him.
It s all about how much lame you are.
People more or less farm really hard or pay really hard to have perfects/rank 9-10, they are forced to study their build to cap the important stuffs and to keep the good feats and then potions show up:
oh look i can cap armor pen recovery and deflect with potions
oh look **** the deflect severity boon, this **** give me 3 times the amount
oh look it seems i have a lesser vorpal out of nowhere drinking this stuff
want to talk about +1 on every stats?
etc etc etc
it s lame and you should feel bad for it.
Everytime i see this **** i just sit at the campfire and bye bye and elo will not change my behaviour: it will not work at all and people will randomly get paired up because the game lacks the numbers to actually have an elo.
So have fun wasting money for pots, you will kill the air
is that a joke? i cant afford a greater weapon enchantment, most players cant! maybe in 2 months or so, i will. lets make some pvp rules:
- no higher weapon enchantment than normal
- no higher armor enchantment than lesser
- no higher enchantment rank than rank 5
- only pvp sets
- no vital rings, belt, neck
- only one artifact, max rank 30, no emblem
wanna make pvp fair? run like this! if everyone would wear the same gear, you 'p2w pvp guilds' would probably all quit because you would all get your asses kicked by most guilds! it makes me sick how people think its ok to pug in a best-in-slot party with emblems, but then cry when someone among them is using elixirs! and they are not ashamed of actually USING those emblems against undergeared players! it happens to me so many times: i fight a best-in-slot tr (i have rank 5, normal bilethorn, lesser sf, rank 30 waters), totally wreck him because he is just bad, he uses emblem, gets a second life, then his dc comes and throws another emblem for him, is that fair? you wanna cry about elixirs more?
- Brazil PvP Fraternité -
Rank 7
No, you are completely in your rights to use them
Just as someone is completely in their rights to use 5x purple PVE companions in the new PVP mode in module 3
Premades don't matter. The majority of the NW population does.
If most players play PVP on the new mode, it will matter.
Then just use them and you will be on par with other elixir users. What's the problem?
It already has been discussed that if you're a pug with less gear and want to do better against better geared adversaries, it is OK for you to drink as many elixirs and potions you can. The complaint is for high level premades, 5vs5 only.
I'm always open to different rules, but as I said: if you want me not to use Elixirs, don't use Emblems against my undergeared teams!
Again: I would never use Elixirs in a BiS team, unless the other team does it and is BiS.
...Gearing up is part of this game. What you basically said was 'If you guys have spent the time/money to gear up, and my team hasn't, I am going to use something frowned upon so we don't lose."
Not going to post again as I don’t want this to turn into a full blown flame fest, but you can’t possibly think that the PvP community would be ok with this.
My main gripe with them is that if you go with full elixirs, then the other team can simply pot up to cancel those out. And then what? You've effectively wasted everyone's resources to level the playing field back.
And as others have mention, it IS different from gear. That's a permanent investment and part of the game's progression.
I don't think they're a big deal if you're solo queuing or trying to make up for large gear differences. Using them in premades is just pointless when the other team can also just pot up and then you've basically just wasted a bunch of people's resources.
Great, constructive feedback.
There is nothing that needs to be improved when it comes to potions.
Thank you for making sense.. The high end community has always said, no elixirs, no feasts, no pots.. Apparently some people have decided that literally the only rule we have is not worth following =/
This is a discussion about whether or not they should be allowed in PvP, and how that may or may not improve PvP. I can't yet tell what you're contributing to it. If you think they should be allowed or not, state actual reasons why.
They are allowed, should be allowed, cost ad to use, and are in line with other consumables and temp abilities like healing potions, pocket pets, coins etc...happy?
No need to be angry sir