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Make the cap to refine ad from 25 to 50 ad
kabinoles
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THE reason I ask for this is because as a lvl 60 you can make more then 25k of AD a day
Most ppl with a lvl 60 can
And sometimes you have so much rough AD's that 25k a day is too lil,I think 50k a day is good
Or make the cooldown for refining rough AD's shorter like 8 hours and stay with the 25k a day
Like today I need like 75k to buy something , but I cant.I need to wait like 3 days to get that 75k at 25k a day to buy what I need. and in the time I get the 75k, they already sold the item in AH that I wanted to buy
thats why I ask for 50k a day or make the cooldown shorter and stay with the 25k a day:p
4/19/2014-Ok ,guyz I got it.thks for the reply's
Most ppl with a lvl 60 can
And sometimes you have so much rough AD's that 25k a day is too lil,I think 50k a day is good
Or make the cooldown for refining rough AD's shorter like 8 hours and stay with the 25k a day
Like today I need like 75k to buy something , but I cant.I need to wait like 3 days to get that 75k at 25k a day to buy what I need. and in the time I get the 75k, they already sold the item in AH that I wanted to buy
thats why I ask for 50k a day or make the cooldown shorter and stay with the 25k a day:p
4/19/2014-Ok ,guyz I got it.thks for the reply's
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Fact is, if I could refine 50K per day per character, I would never need to by zen, ever. I don't think they should raise the cap. I'd hate to see them shut the game down because they couldn't make payroll or pay the bills.
What I do think they could do, is periodically have a special refining day.. maybe once a month, where people could refine an extra amount... whatever they feel they could allow without damaging the model. It could at least give people a chance at catching up.
Raking in the rewards from salvage or from leadership/invoking/skirmish hours/dailies loses much luster when all it does is increase a number that never goes down.
I make 21-25K per character daily, just from leadership and prayer. I make or exceed my daily allowance every single day by doing next to nothing. So it increases my RAD pile by a thousand or so.. every day.. haha
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A good use for this would be the collection points. You get nothing for collection points right now. If collection points granted various Utility rewards. +% gold drop, +% glory, + Movement speed, +% runes drop, Increased AD Refinement. It would give players something to work towards and not give players a "Need" To buy stuff from the zen store to get needed buffs. This would only insult players. Cosmetic rewards would also be good like unique mounts and costume pieces.
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People make this request without thinking out the implications. Unfortunately it's hard to educate people on this without incorrectly being called out for being political. Thing is economics apply regardless of political belief and there are certain rules to it like any other form of mathematics.
For instance after WWI the Allied Nations, for better or worse, put it upon Germany to pay for almost all of the war reparations. Germany saw the bill and said "we can't afford that." They did the only thing they felt they could and printed money to pay the debt. Issue is that by printing money (increasing supply) it lowers the value of the currency. It lowered the value of the currency to the point that it was cheaper to burn money than it was to burn firewood.
That is a true story. It happened. It's fact.
It's not political. It's economics in all of it's glory.
Increasing the refinement cap is no different than allowing people to print more money. It doesn't change the supply and demand of the marketplace, it only changes the supply of the currency. This lowers the value of the currency. That is fact.
Lowering the value of the currency does not lower the value of the items. Only increased supply or decreased demand will lower item values. Thus lowering the value of the currency will cause you to need more of the currency to afford the same item.
In short, this idea causes economic turmoil and inflation but does not have any positive effect.
The only thing it will do is actually push the average player further back as the people who are most positively effected by such a change would be bots and other deviants.
The AD being bought is from other players and is not being created out of thin air, so its not really that bad of an analogy. The only time AD has been "created" legitimately was through the graphics card promotions and normal refining (as far as I know); every other form of obtaining AD is basically just a transfer of already existing AD.
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I'd also like to see things like, perhaps, a limited ability to change your appearance using ADs instead of having to buy a token, or perhaps some "Tier .5" purple gear that one could buy directly w/ ADs - this would really help new level 60s as well. What if there was an enchanter NPC who could bolster your equipment for an AD fee?
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Right now we have a problem of deflation. Personally, I don't mind it at all. Items and enchantments are insanely cheap at the moment, and it's a wonderful time to gear up a character. However, deflation devalues the game in general. If it's so easy to get all your gear and max out your characters, what is there left to do?
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As mightyfang93 stated, The Zen Exchange does not "convert" Zen to Ad it "transfers" it from players with the same limitations as you.
In fact without the limitations people would have less reason to buy additional AD which would completely crash the market on the free to play side. In truth the only reason the free model in Neverwinter can function is due to the limitations.
Your statement would only be true if the Zen Exchange created in game currency from thin air which it does not.
It is all about supply and demand and supply becomes much bigger than demand. It can't be solved easily, because supply is from players (old, experienced - already equipped), bots and demand from mostly new players. So we can say that there is a relatively little number of new players willing to buy so the sellers must lower the prices, because a new player usually (even if he bought zen to exchange for AD) doesn't have so many AD.
Actually it does to an extent. Keys create idols, i idols create refined AD. AD is created by real money in this way. Perhaps not to an extent to harm the market though.
All very much off topic.
The issue is economical, but it's real-world economics, not only in-game. Approximately 90K AD generated from each of those rift finders that come in the lockbox.. totally unpredictable factor. But not a problem, because it was paid for with zen. (The key to the lockbox.) That's just one example.. there are also dailies, skirmish hours... etc..
I am also not asking for a cap increase. I don't think it's a good idea, either.
But I see that my own counter suggestion of a 'refining day' was totally rolled under by the tide. They have done bonus refining days before.
It's in the third post. I think it is worth considering for the reasons I put there.
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....and with the players who aren't maxing out the cap currently, ending up totally hosed. Because prices would skyrocket but their amount of AD would still be the same.
Last Waukeen event it took me literally 2 months to refine the Raw AD that I got from those chests.
I seriously quit doing dailies and leadership tasks, anything I could do to stop generating Raw AD!
I'm sure we'll see this topic again after the upcoming Waukeen Event.
No.
just to pour some more oil:
Restrict RAD refining to 24k per account and day and implement "atomisation" to make "atoms" out of items (uncommon+), which can be used to refine enchants/artifacts, sell for gold, crafting, feeding companions and mounts, whatever comes up on mind (skills requiring such "atoms" even).
This is a pretty good idea, actually, so long as it won't occur in any predictable manner as to be exploitable or dependable.
whats the purpose anymore??? just reward ad's remove refine the diamonds completely totally a offset of old days yet were moving forward and yet we have to go back to Atari system mechnics..
At least three reasons exist that I can come up with off the top of my head -
Nice answer, i can only agree with that. People may think that raising that cap will give them more money, but they'll end up having less, while bot and farmers will have more control over the economy...