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Gear Score Gating, out of hand?
silverkelt
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Ok , since news of upcoming Mod 3 artifacts, need you to have two level 60s with at least 3 boons done, I decided now is the time to level my CW, its been about a week since Ive been 60 and learning from my past experience with my first 60, I was pretty much at 10k the first day, with all purples and R5s at least on all slots, (I think Im at like 11.5k now)
I was thinking this is enough to run all the low stuff, including some t2s, but the only runs Im getting in even for FC is legit channel ones!
Seriously, anyone else thinks its a little out of hand.. Im seeing 13k only runs for FC in GG! You can do 4 runs with any group mixed around 10k!
Ive seen 11k only t1 runs!
15k only t2 runs (not vt/cn ones! , REGULAR t2 runs of FC/ToS and SP even PK!)
I know its easy to gear up per se, but come on! AT 12k ish you shouldnt have to be worried about not getting groups ! lol..
AS long as you semi know what your doing, being around there should be enough with trumpeting your GS+ whatever.. I would run all legit now if I could, but sometimes not enough people want to run stuff to get a party up and going, I would just queue, but since CT has been broken for a week, cant even get into a lower t1 stuff ! I went to Idiris the first day and someone commented that I was too low at 10k, I ended up second in damage, second in kills, second in damage taken and we did it no issue, I then did make a snide remark on how I "hope" I wasnt that much of a burden.. (I know I shouldnt have, but couldnt help myself)
Skill doesnt trump GS in the game I get that, but knowing the dungeons, rotations, where you need to be ect, still does account for some of it..
OUCH on this out of control gear score gating!
I would rant about peoples constant need for perfect party composition as well.. O know we cant have any gfs or trs, slow us down! Pfffttt.
Thanks for listening.
I was thinking this is enough to run all the low stuff, including some t2s, but the only runs Im getting in even for FC is legit channel ones!
Seriously, anyone else thinks its a little out of hand.. Im seeing 13k only runs for FC in GG! You can do 4 runs with any group mixed around 10k!
Ive seen 11k only t1 runs!
15k only t2 runs (not vt/cn ones! , REGULAR t2 runs of FC/ToS and SP even PK!)
I know its easy to gear up per se, but come on! AT 12k ish you shouldnt have to be worried about not getting groups ! lol..
AS long as you semi know what your doing, being around there should be enough with trumpeting your GS+ whatever.. I would run all legit now if I could, but sometimes not enough people want to run stuff to get a party up and going, I would just queue, but since CT has been broken for a week, cant even get into a lower t1 stuff ! I went to Idiris the first day and someone commented that I was too low at 10k, I ended up second in damage, second in kills, second in damage taken and we did it no issue, I then did make a snide remark on how I "hope" I wasnt that much of a burden.. (I know I shouldnt have, but couldnt help myself)
Skill doesnt trump GS in the game I get that, but knowing the dungeons, rotations, where you need to be ect, still does account for some of it..
OUCH on this out of control gear score gating!
I would rant about peoples constant need for perfect party composition as well.. O know we cant have any gfs or trs, slow us down! Pfffttt.
Thanks for listening.
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In my experience, the Legit channel (which is awesome, BTW) and my guild are the only places that are amenable to helping people get through T2 dungeons for the purpose of gearing up rather than acquiring lots of loot.
Just because one can get to 10k in a day or two does not mean you should now be able to run every dungeon, too. It takes a while to get to 13k, but it is not really hard either. Took me a month with my first char to get to 13k.
Here are a few tips:
- You can get into a T1 PvP armor set pretty fast, which is good enough for T1 dungeons. Do the Dungeon Delve events and pick up a nice T1 armor for PvE and you are already at 11k or so.
- Get the T2 Grim PvP weapons. These can be had in less than a week if you win just one match per day for the seals.
- Then read the guides, formulas, etc. and get an idea what properties you should have and which ones are not so important for your class. Then get T1 or T2 necklace, ring and belt from PvP. There are a lot of different ones you can choose from and it lets you build a very nice character without any hassle.
- Then buy rank 7 enchantments. These are a lot cheaper than upgrading a rank 6 to 7, or any lower enchantment. You can get them for 30k-75k AD on the market.
- Also get a gemmed shirt and pants of the market and put enchantments in them. These cost around 100k-120k AD currently.
- Doing the Sharandar and Dread Ring campaign half way, which can be done in a week, will give you 4 or 5 boons.
You should be at 13k GS now.
Legit Channel FTW!!!!!111!
Yours is not the only guild that will help people gear up.
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Lol yeah no kidding, I agree with you.
I was looking at some people trying to set those up going... are you Fn Serious?
Yeah I agree you don't need a 15k GS to run Karra or Frozen Heart. Those are practically soloble in those gear scores. I just think to myself... LOL are you that sorry you need that overgeared of a party for runs that puny?
Its starting to become a joke.
You're mistaken about the time sink (unless you're describing purchasing lair keys).
Sharandar:
The first 2 boons only cost sparks, crescents, and AD, so you can get those 2 within a week, but there is no "half" there is either 2 of 5 or 3 of 5, so I'm going to assume everyone will at least get the 3rd boon, to do that:
seed of hope (3 seeds, 10 sparks x1): 1 day - are then told to return the following day
plant seedlings (3 seeds, 10 sparks x3): 3 days - allows 1st boon
reinforce wards (3 charms, 10 sparks x 9): 9 days - allows access to realm of malabog
You need 18 of the currency from realm of malabog, so we can chalk that to 6 days
minimum time (1+3+9+6): 19 days
Dread ring:
This one is simply how many lairs per boon unlock, which is (3+6+7): 16 days
so to get 3 boons in either, it requires a minimum of 16 days (DR).
The easy way to avoid that is to join the Legit Channel.
Alternatively you can join a guild which focuses on letting players play the way they enjoy playing.
But this is not Cryptic pushing the rules. That is the player base and more specifically a small fraction of it typically labelled as "elitists."
PS... Long Live Legit
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You can get to 60 pretty fast now. You won't make enough AD to be able to afford all of that unless you PTW.
This may be true for experienced players with other 60s, but not for a fresh 60. In fact, I just geared up a fresh DC that hit 60 due to invocation with a full set of cheap T1 purples and the GS is far below 10k. To get to 10k I will have to spend at least 300K AD. Not a lot, but not something "new" 60's would immediately have available.
In any case GS is a big lie. I've seen folks mixing and matching T2,T2.5 sets to maximize GS at the expense of party damage (losing some really good 4 piece bonuses).
Likewise, I've seen 10K folks outdamage 14K GS players.
I suppose it does set a baseline, but it certainly is not WYSYWYG.
Nothing much Cryptic can do about it
I dont think this is a small fraction. As all you see in /lfg is these kinds of things, and other players are assuming this is the norm and also asking for the same things. This behavior is increasing more and more.
How good or bad a player is with their character, with teamwork and interpersonal skill is not determined by the gear score.
Agreed. Most of the players in the LFG belong in that elitist category. There are a lot of casual players, but then again these are the same people that either run dungeons with their close friends, don't run dungeons much if at all, don't know how to use the LFG much.
This is why fixing the queue is important. WE know how to use the LFG channel, how to join good guilds and run with them, but other people who need it the most are the ones who aren't resourceful in finding other ways to get groups
No you're definitely right,
Anyone can want any type of group they choose...
....but it doesn't mean its any less pathetic to see someone trying to form a group with a minimum 15k GS for something like Karra or Frozen Heart.
How can one suck that badly at the game.
People were beating dungeons months ago when the highest GS you would see is 12.5k GS and the norm was 11k GS
1- you can choose whether or not to buy gear with money.
2- you can choose to have low GS and still run dungeons
3- other players can choose whether or not to take you
Most of these people, including me, don't care if you can still do the dungeon in low gear, it still takes longer. I hate PVE and do it as a last resort, and i would rather have a 15k CW than a 11k CW so I don't have to take any longer than I need to.
Lowbies: DC (level 31) | HR (level 16)
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The fact that it is getting out of hand signifies there aren't enough new players coming in, the few players who stay have progressed so high up(it is easy to get BIS gear in this game compared to other MMOs) that they have higher expectations now.
Well this was my first character I leveled my own, and didn't spend anything on it at all. I took my time (maybe 7-8 days). When I got to 60 I had the AD to get 11K GS in a few hours, and it was not a lot. A rank 6 was just 5-6K AD. Blue items just 100 AD. I poured all my excess enchants into the Waters artifact, now it's blue. Now I have even more GS cause I got some free epics from daily lairs and also some boons.
Yeah but you couldn't possibly suck so bad at the game you need a 15K+ GS to run Karra or Frozen Heart.
Lol you can ROLFSTOMP that dungeon in a 13k. Heck you can run it in a 12k party and still beat the thing.
I mean seriously 15K???
Lol!!
However they forget to mention the following:
That in the past dungs clearing was easier with considerable lower gs than advertized in lfg chanell today because:
1)An indefinite number of glitches ,bugs and exploits that people were using consinstently up to mod 2: ToS adds push over,Tos boss fight from the door,LoMD chartifilax glitches,etc....
2)The "exploits" people were using.For example 2 Gfs with KC were buffing each other in succesion stacking really high power.
3)tenebrous back then was the norm for offence slot cause it ticked every 7-10 secs.From 20s now.With 5 lesser tenebrous a toon of 30k hp back then was doing extra 1500 damage every 10 secs.Multiply by 3 or 4 toons to see the difference in overall dps party.
4)Stalwart bulwark armor was granting insane power to Gfs ,some at certain buffs reaching astronomical numbers and killing bosses with 5 hits.
5)plaguefire back then it stacked between players.For example a 15% defence debuff -actually a 15 % damage buff was stacking with players using both the PF.If were attacking a single add they could buff their damage each by 45% increase to an already 45% increase..do the math.each was buffing each other.In the end both were having 60-70% damage increae if were 2 with PF.if were 5? Do the maths.Actually none did it it was so bugged it gave inconsisted results.Now count as well the additionals buffs and debuffs that increase dmg....
these are the only i remember.And hell i am a Gf i remember these cause i heared them concerning directly and indirectly my class.And we are/were a tiny minority.Imagine what other dmg exploits the other classes were using.
Bottom line.game was in beta with huge exploits/glitches.Everything could bypasses using other means than skill.
it is little strange new players to complain all the times about LoMD and fail to finish it with 10-11 gs while old players did that with 9-10gs at most.Maybe it was under spesific circumstances that i described up,the game easier back then????
Look I was there, I totally get what you're saying.
There have been a lot of nerfs since then and the classes have as a whole lost serious power compared to what they used to be able to do I ran them back at those minimum gear scores and legit back then... so I do hear you...
... but... Seriously...
A 15k to run Karra and Frozen Heart?
Thats just plain ludicrous.
People in LFG are not the majority of players. Players in guilds such as mine do not use LFG. We do full guild runs or pick people up from legit because there is less risk of getting a less than desirable player.
People who don't like the elitist nonsense avoid the LFG channel like the plague. I honestly don't think it is a widespread issue but just that the vast majority of players can recognize a unfriendly place when they see one.
That doesn't mean what we have is perfect but it is what it is for now and there is no way to stop people from setting ridiculous limitations on their group compositions.
The queue was abandoned because mmixing the elitists and the rest of the player base ended badly more often then not. LFG didn't fix that either so the rest of the player base abandoned it and moved to a less hostile environment.
The only way to really do better than what we has is by making an Auction House style group forming system but that is no tiny request.
While much of this may be true, and plenty of people did use bugs and exploits to clear (and still do), however, plenty of people were also clearing these dungeons legit. They still are. We 4 manned FH with an average GS around 11k without wiping once. We cleared MC with a 12k group, many missing weapon/armor enchants, and no DC. I can remember beating T2's with only 9k back in the day, and I was not exploiting. So, while what you say may be true, it is also true that people were getting by with low GS just fine before. Of course it was much slower, but that was never the point. The real reason people are asking for insane GS is so they can speedrun through content. Oh, and it is often just as fast or faster to burn through things than to try to glitch them. A good group can clear ToS just as fast or faster than any exploit group. Skill and teamwork will always be more important than having a high GS.
Lowbies: DC (level 31) | HR (level 16)
You can almost always find me in the legit channel. Happy Adventuring!
GWF guide: click me