The ONLY HR's that don't do this are inexperienced pug ones. Constricting makes your shard disappear too and they keep hitting you with this. I'd really love to see you get any shards in against these folks....
I think you mean hindering shot if he is firing several times. Constricting arrow also blocks shard (I believe for longer period). Any good HR I've seen always fires one of these interrupts at the CW as soon as they get rooted by Icy Rays. Entangling Force used to be the workaround for this but its duration is too short to work nowadays.
mod note: a lot of off-topic pvp drama was removed from this thread. let's keep this on-topic. it doesn't matter if you've been here for twelve months or twelve minutes, respect each other and each others opinions please. do not call out other people, players, etc. thanks.
do not reply to this mod note. instead, send us a PM if you'd like to discuss it.
Ill take the challenge on posting a video against Svet lol
Why people insist that he 1v1s against the best of the best is just ****ed up.
This video shows that a well played CW can beat people, help his team out and do some ****ing damage !
CWs cant really do much against HRs, like nightwingzx, revrac, mouz etc. Also against good TRs its impossible. I think i procced keltz0r 3 times out of 100 duels. So suggesting that is lame. l2p.
Anyways nice vid Blacksheep. post more
Lol okay so not Svet then, I'll be waiting for ANY CW to post a video of their 1v1 match vs Jerkface, a trickster rogue from Enemy Team.
You only have to beat him 35% of the time and I'll be impressed (even though 50% should be the fair outcome between an elite CW vs an equally elite TR...but oh well PVP in this game is horribly imbalanced that I'm willing to compromise)
Until then, videos of an elite PVP guild premade against noobs don't really count against the argument that an elite CW can reach the potential of an elite HR,TR or GWF
Edit: 2 people have now taken up on that challenge. I'll be waiting for the video! Not too hard to convince Jerkface, he's pretty...."open" about how good he is at PVP.
Lol okay so not Svet then, I'll be waiting for ANY CW to post a video of their 1v1 match vs Jerkface, a trickster rogue from Enemy Team.
You only have to beat him 35% of the time and I'll be impressed (even though 50% should be the fair outcome between an elite CW vs an equally elite TR...but oh well PVP in this game is horribly imbalanced that I'm willing to compromise)
Until then, videos of an elite PVP guild premade against noobs don't really count against the argument that an elite CW can reach the potential of an elite HR,TR or GWF
Edit: 2 people have now taken up on that challenge. I'll be waiting for the video! Not too hard to convince Jerkface, he's pretty...."open" about how good he is at PVP.
Are you even paying attention? Of course we are not going to beat Jerkface or any other maxed TR consistantly with a CW xD But CW IS NOT A 1V1 CLASS. Us and anything else can murder a tanky DC is 10-20 seconds. THAT is what they are for... CONTROL... Shocker...
Are you even paying attention? Of course we are not going to beat Jerkface or any other maxed TR consistantly with a CW xD But CW IS NOT A 1V1 CLASS. Us and anything else can murder a tanky DC is 10-20 seconds. THAT is what they are for... CONTROL... Shocker...
Well it is obvious that this person believes cw should be great at taking down groups, 1v1, as survivable as a gwf and and do as much single person damage as a TR. Until then they will be on here lamenting how underpowered they are. and even if a cw beats the very best rogue on the server, they will still have excuses as to why they personally can not perform. This is pvp, this behavior is normal.
Are you even paying attention? Of course we are not going to beat Jerkface or any other maxed TR consistantly with a CW xD But CW IS NOT A 1V1 CLASS. Us and anything else can murder a tanky DC is 10-20 seconds. THAT is what they are for... CONTROL... Shocker...
Didn't you just take me up on that offer in your previous post?
Backing out so soon are we? Did you happen to stop by his stream and saw that you have absolutely no chance right?
Well we have someone who backed out...what a surprise.
I still have 1 challenger so I'll be waiting for his video. Is jerkface online?
As for Mr Backout here, go post your video of you "supporting" against Jerkface's premade and "controlling" him then.
Like I said, that guy is not shy about challenges. It won't be too hard to coerce him to participate in this.
and even if a cw beats the very best rogue on the server, they will still have excuses as to why they personally can not perform. This is pvp, this behavior is normal.
Why don't we cross that imaginary bridge when we get there mmmkay
All this demonstrates is that in order to be viable in PVP as a CW, you must:
3. have a strong guild team that has your back
This is the biggest issue preventing this video from making a good argument that top tier CW can be just as competitive as top tier TR or GWF in PVP premades.
Its a good learning video on how to play CW in PVP, which gear to use, what rotations. If the post stopped there, it would just be a good educational thread. Instead we have this "discussion" about how biased the video is, how it does not accurately portray PM vs PM CW.
Once again, some people here are just blind, I guess, or have 0 knowledge about how the PvP works on this game, or about the mechanics of the classes, or anything.
They are like : " Hey CW can't unstoppable or stealth, it's a bad class" LoL.
Is it hard to understand that CW was never able to beat the other classes in 1v1? Is it hard to understand that the video objective is to show that CW is at the same spot as it always used to be?
Whoever you was able to kill before tenacity, you will be able to kill now, whoever you wasn't able to kill before tenacity, you can't kill now as well.
CW is not a 1v1 class, PvP domination is not all about 1v1'ing, CW is a support rotate class, with good burst and CC.
When you request a video of a CW 1v1ing a TR or something like that, it just makes you look dumb, and you just show everyone else how you know nothing about the game.
PS: Once again, people can't read, the video was not against pug, actually most of the people on the video are on 9's/10's, greaters~perfects, theres no "undergeared scrubs", all the videos were against premades. And so what that I had a "op team" with me? Does it buff my damage or increase my cc or something? LoL.
So the CW is at the same spot...not being able to contest nodes 1v1....getting pummelled by elite GWF and TR.....being a liability in PVP premades.....being relegated to the role of rotation dps....CC abilities and burst damage getting nerfed (yes I did watch newbies and pugs getting CCed by a PVP premade)
I don't know why some people are thick headed. This is exactly what I was complaining about CWs. In 5v5 PVP at least. I made another thread....a more significant one based on the discussion about how competitive equally skilled CWs are to their TR and GWF counterparts (after seeing this one-sided pvp premade vs pugs video).
@rashylewizz
premade me and you will see how every member in your team will die to my shards and ice knifes.
First of all, I'm a CW. Beating me would prove that an overgeared CW will beat a slightly less geared CW.
I'd rather see how a CW goes up against an elite TR or GWF. Said it multiple times but I guess reading comprehension is a rarity nowadays.
How about stream a match against Nightwingzx from chocolate shoppe or Gertylog from Synergy? Kill them with ice knives or try and CC them, you'll have a lot of fun as a CW.
Until then, I'll be waiting for that other challenger to put up a stream of him 1v1 against Jerkface
I am done talking with you since you can't understand your own class.
So you are complaining that CW can't beat GWF/TR/HR in a 1v1?
Go learn about the class and how it should be played, and what you should do in a match, then you make coments about it, ok?
CW was never able and will never be able to beat those in 1v1, wanna beat people 1v1? go make a 1v1 class.
Once again, some people here are just blind, I guess, or have 0 knowledge about how the PvP works on this game, or about the mechanics of the classes, or anything.
They are like : " Hey CW can't unstoppable or stealth, it's a bad class" LoL.
Is it hard to understand that CW was never able to beat the other classes in 1v1? Is it hard to understand that the video objective is to show that CW is at the same spot as it always used to be?
Whoever you was able to kill before tenacity, you will be able to kill now, whoever you wasn't able to kill before tenacity, you can't kill now as well.
CW is not a 1v1 class, PvP domination is not all about 1v1'ing, CW is a support rotate class, with good burst and CC.
When you request a video of a CW 1v1ing a TR or something like that, it just makes you look dumb, and you just show everyone else how you know nothing about the game.
PS: Once again, people can't read, the video was not against pug, actually most of the people on the video are on 9's/10's, greaters~perfects, theres no "undergeared scrubs", all the videos were against premades. And so what that I had a "op team" with me? Does it buff my damage or increase my cc or something? LoL.
I don't know. Tenacity takes a lot out of potential out of the CW arsenal.
- Repel doesn't work well, if at all
- Chill strike is so short it's not worth using.
- Other powers are greatly shortened- entangling force, icy rays root, etc.
Shard is the only thing left with a decent control duration, and control is the only defense a CW has. That's the only reason it's favored.
I didn't get a chance to play much before tenacity but I don't see why a CW couldn't 1v1 any class if these abilities still worked, especially now that cws have figured out how to use shard on tab. With shard on tab and control powers that had significant effects, a CW should be able to win a decent amount of 1v1s.
I am done talking with you since you can't understand your own class.
This is coming from someone who posts a video of his premade team beating up PUGs then saying CW is just as viable in PVP as any other class.
Yawn.
It is sad that some random guy has more guts and conviction towards his arguments to back it up that he would make the video (which I'm still waiting for) wherein his CW challenges other top TRs/HRs/GWF while the guild leader of Enemy Team is too scared to face Nightwingzx or Gertylog with his CW because he knows Gertylog will dismantle his CW.
Thank god you have good players like Jerkface in your guild saving the name.
Anyway, you are "done" with me so onto the next one I guess. Unless you show me a video of those 1v1 matches I suggested, I hope you stick to your word about being done.
ok easy way to do this.put a video of you 1 on 1 any of the ppl they have posted or your guild fighting 1 of the guilds they've said.it really is that easy.
ok easy way to do this.put a video of you 1 on 1 any of the ppl they have posted or your guild fighting 1 of the guilds they've said.it really is that easy.
Doesn't matter what this guy posts. Those who cry will continue.
I'm actually starting to think the only reason blacksheep posted this is to show that CWs are "fine", just because he likes them as they are, i.e. the favorite meal of:
-HR
-GWF
-TR
-GF
He does main a TR after all.
This is fine by me to be honest. I rarely even play my CW, it just feels dumb. Why not take a HR instead? Better CC, better burst, better survivability, same roaming potential.
Please keep CWs as they are now. I really like to kill them a lot on my GWF and TR. It's good to have soft targets without any means of fighting back to take revenge upon.
And all the opponents in his video are at "scrub" level. If the video would have voice, you would hear the guys in his party actually calling them just like that. No challenge.
Only opponents that blacksheep has at his level are CS. Rest are amateurs.
the only times a wizard ever kills my rogue in a 1 vs 1 is if i failed to dodge the meteor
1 of the times i dodged it, the wizard simply ran from me without even trying to land any other attacks. i don't blame them if that's the only burst they got as an encounter.
This is coming from someone who posts a video of his premade team beating up PUGs then saying CW is just as viable in PVP as any other class.
Yawn.
It is sad that some random guy has more guts and conviction towards his arguments to back it up that he would make the video (which I'm still waiting for) wherein his CW challenges other top TRs/HRs/GWF while the guild leader of Enemy Team is too scared to face Nightwingzx or Gertylog with his CW because he knows Gertylog will dismantle his CW.
Thank god you have good players like Jerkface in your guild saving the name.
Anyway, you are "done" with me so onto the next one I guess. Unless you show me a video of those 1v1 matches I suggested, I hope you stick to your word about being done.
Get your guild, premade me, watch how you all will die to me during the premade.
I see that you're dumb. Keep asking for 1v1's against gwf/hr/tr which means nothing and it's not CW job.
That's why you're probably creating threads complaing about CW, you don't even understand about the class.
I will create threads like you : " I WANT UNSTOPPABLE AND STEALTH FOR CW!!!!!!!!1111" lol
the only times a wizard ever kills my rogue in a 1 vs 1 is if i failed to dodge the meteor
1 of the times i dodged it, the wizard simply ran from me without even trying to land any other attacks. i don't blame them if that's the only burst they got as an encounter.
You don't even have to dodge the initial drop. Just walk away and it won't land on you.
Get your guild, premade me, watch how you all will die to me during the premade.
I see that you're dumb. Keep asking for 1v1's against gwf/hr/tr which means nothing and it's not CW job.
That's why you're probably creating threads complaing about CW, you don't even understand about the class.
I will create threads like you : " I WANT UNSTOPPABLE AND STEALTH FOR CW!!!!!!!!1111" lol
CW can get lots of kills but the current game in pvp is about contesting nodes, something a CW cannot do (and all the other classes can).
My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
0
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited April 2014
. . . Yeah, I'm not even a PvPer in NWO (I do PvP in other games) and I win just about as many battles* as I loose when I play my CW in PvP. The one class that kills me the most (and usually always when I get stuck 1 on 1 with them) is, you guessed it, another control wizard. Very nice video by the way!
(* I'm not talking about over-all matches, but "battles" as in when an enemy or group of enemies engages in combat. I couldn't care less about the numbers game, it's the battles that are fun.)
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited April 2014
Moderator Notice: . . . This thread is not for challenges or PvP smack talk. Keep that in game and off the forums. Do not reply to this notice, instead contact us via PM to discuss forum moderation. Thanks!
Keep asking for 1v1's against gwf/hr/tr which means nothing and it's not CW job.
So I'm curious: what is a CWs "job" exactly?
Also you stated that everyone in the video is a top tier PvP player with high GS and enchants. I can say that one of those you killed is definitely NOT in that category. I can't say anything of the others.
Comments
I think you mean hindering shot if he is firing several times. Constricting arrow also blocks shard (I believe for longer period). Any good HR I've seen always fires one of these interrupts at the CW as soon as they get rooted by Icy Rays. Entangling Force used to be the workaround for this but its duration is too short to work nowadays.
do not reply to this mod note. instead, send us a PM if you'd like to discuss it.
Where are the promised videos? You all talk about posting Vids about this premade and that 1vs1 - show me something :cool:
Lol okay so not Svet then, I'll be waiting for ANY CW to post a video of their 1v1 match vs Jerkface, a trickster rogue from Enemy Team.
You only have to beat him 35% of the time and I'll be impressed (even though 50% should be the fair outcome between an elite CW vs an equally elite TR...but oh well PVP in this game is horribly imbalanced that I'm willing to compromise)
Until then, videos of an elite PVP guild premade against noobs don't really count against the argument that an elite CW can reach the potential of an elite HR,TR or GWF
Edit: 2 people have now taken up on that challenge. I'll be waiting for the video! Not too hard to convince Jerkface, he's pretty...."open" about how good he is at PVP.
Are you even paying attention? Of course we are not going to beat Jerkface or any other maxed TR consistantly with a CW xD But CW IS NOT A 1V1 CLASS. Us and anything else can murder a tanky DC is 10-20 seconds. THAT is what they are for... CONTROL... Shocker...
Well it is obvious that this person believes cw should be great at taking down groups, 1v1, as survivable as a gwf and and do as much single person damage as a TR. Until then they will be on here lamenting how underpowered they are. and even if a cw beats the very best rogue on the server, they will still have excuses as to why they personally can not perform. This is pvp, this behavior is normal.
Didn't you just take me up on that offer in your previous post?
Backing out so soon are we? Did you happen to stop by his stream and saw that you have absolutely no chance right?
Well we have someone who backed out...what a surprise.
I still have 1 challenger so I'll be waiting for his video. Is jerkface online?
As for Mr Backout here, go post your video of you "supporting" against Jerkface's premade and "controlling" him then.
Like I said, that guy is not shy about challenges. It won't be too hard to coerce him to participate in this.
Why don't we cross that imaginary bridge when we get there mmmkay
This is the biggest issue preventing this video from making a good argument that top tier CW can be just as competitive as top tier TR or GWF in PVP premades.
Its a good learning video on how to play CW in PVP, which gear to use, what rotations. If the post stopped there, it would just be a good educational thread. Instead we have this "discussion" about how biased the video is, how it does not accurately portray PM vs PM CW.
Keeeep on lamenting.
They are like : " Hey CW can't unstoppable or stealth, it's a bad class" LoL.
Is it hard to understand that CW was never able to beat the other classes in 1v1? Is it hard to understand that the video objective is to show that CW is at the same spot as it always used to be?
Whoever you was able to kill before tenacity, you will be able to kill now, whoever you wasn't able to kill before tenacity, you can't kill now as well.
CW is not a 1v1 class, PvP domination is not all about 1v1'ing, CW is a support rotate class, with good burst and CC.
When you request a video of a CW 1v1ing a TR or something like that, it just makes you look dumb, and you just show everyone else how you know nothing about the game.
PS: Once again, people can't read, the video was not against pug, actually most of the people on the video are on 9's/10's, greaters~perfects, theres no "undergeared scrubs", all the videos were against premades. And so what that I had a "op team" with me? Does it buff my damage or increase my cc or something? LoL.
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
I don't know why some people are thick headed. This is exactly what I was complaining about CWs. In 5v5 PVP at least. I made another thread....a more significant one based on the discussion about how competitive equally skilled CWs are to their TR and GWF counterparts (after seeing this one-sided pvp premade vs pugs video).
Make pvp 20vs20 and its a different story.
premade me and you will see how every member in your team will die to my shards and ice knifes.
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
First of all, I'm a CW. Beating me would prove that an overgeared CW will beat a slightly less geared CW.
I'd rather see how a CW goes up against an elite TR or GWF. Said it multiple times but I guess reading comprehension is a rarity nowadays.
How about stream a match against Nightwingzx from chocolate shoppe or Gertylog from Synergy? Kill them with ice knives or try and CC them, you'll have a lot of fun as a CW.
Until then, I'll be waiting for that other challenger to put up a stream of him 1v1 against Jerkface
So you are complaining that CW can't beat GWF/TR/HR in a 1v1?
Go learn about the class and how it should be played, and what you should do in a match, then you make coments about it, ok?
CW was never able and will never be able to beat those in 1v1, wanna beat people 1v1? go make a 1v1 class.
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
I don't know. Tenacity takes a lot out of potential out of the CW arsenal.
- Repel doesn't work well, if at all
- Chill strike is so short it's not worth using.
- Other powers are greatly shortened- entangling force, icy rays root, etc.
Shard is the only thing left with a decent control duration, and control is the only defense a CW has. That's the only reason it's favored.
I didn't get a chance to play much before tenacity but I don't see why a CW couldn't 1v1 any class if these abilities still worked, especially now that cws have figured out how to use shard on tab. With shard on tab and control powers that had significant effects, a CW should be able to win a decent amount of 1v1s.
This is coming from someone who posts a video of his premade team beating up PUGs then saying CW is just as viable in PVP as any other class.
Yawn.
It is sad that some random guy has more guts and conviction towards his arguments to back it up that he would make the video (which I'm still waiting for) wherein his CW challenges other top TRs/HRs/GWF while the guild leader of Enemy Team is too scared to face Nightwingzx or Gertylog with his CW because he knows Gertylog will dismantle his CW.
Thank god you have good players like Jerkface in your guild saving the name.
Anyway, you are "done" with me so onto the next one I guess. Unless you show me a video of those 1v1 matches I suggested, I hope you stick to your word about being done.
Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
-HR
-GWF
-TR
-GF
He does main a TR after all.
This is fine by me to be honest. I rarely even play my CW, it just feels dumb. Why not take a HR instead? Better CC, better burst, better survivability, same roaming potential.
Please keep CWs as they are now. I really like to kill them a lot on my GWF and TR. It's good to have soft targets without any means of fighting back to take revenge upon.
And all the opponents in his video are at "scrub" level. If the video would have voice, you would hear the guys in his party actually calling them just like that. No challenge.
Only opponents that blacksheep has at his level are CS. Rest are amateurs.
1 of the times i dodged it, the wizard simply ran from me without even trying to land any other attacks. i don't blame them if that's the only burst they got as an encounter.
Challenge accepted. A very good TR might be hard though (nowadays with Shocking). But not impossible.
Challenge accepted (on my CW).
Get your guild, premade me, watch how you all will die to me during the premade.
I see that you're dumb. Keep asking for 1v1's against gwf/hr/tr which means nothing and it's not CW job.
That's why you're probably creating threads complaing about CW, you don't even understand about the class.
I will create threads like you : " I WANT UNSTOPPABLE AND STEALTH FOR CW!!!!!!!!1111" lol
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
You don't even have to dodge the initial drop. Just walk away and it won't land on you.
CW can get lots of kills but the current game in pvp is about contesting nodes, something a CW cannot do (and all the other classes can).
(* I'm not talking about over-all matches, but "battles" as in when an enemy or group of enemies engages in combat. I couldn't care less about the numbers game, it's the battles that are fun.)
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
. . . This thread is not for challenges or PvP smack talk. Keep that in game and off the forums. Do not reply to this notice, instead contact us via PM to discuss forum moderation. Thanks!
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
So I'm curious: what is a CWs "job" exactly?
Also you stated that everyone in the video is a top tier PvP player with high GS and enchants. I can say that one of those you killed is definitely NOT in that category. I can't say anything of the others.