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lucadevil2
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Hi i want to make a script to switch gear and encounter powers ,but i cant find anything on game terms of use about usage of scripts, so i was just wondering if its allowed to use scripts or not
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There is no exact ruling on what is or is not acceptable. It is very much gray and is handled on a case by case basis. Use your best judgement and I recommend to err to the side of caution when using any macros.
My personal definition is if the game doesn't supply it to you then you are bottling. There are automation commands in the game. If they aren't there then don't use it. However this may or may not be the Official Stance on the subject.
Even amongst the mods I can safely say I have the most strict definition of what is and is not botting. Sitting at your screen doesn't make botting acceptable in my books and I tend to file it in the same regards as exploiting. If you have an unfair advantage don't do it.
correct, it's not botting if you have to push a button. it's called a MACRO.
legal or not there's no way they can detect it so...
i'd like to have an official and clear answer about this, like yes u can use it or no u cant ,if you do it you are banned, because if i cant use scripts its not a problem for me , i just want to be sure at 100% that my account will not be banned for this. As persephone said before other mmo have a function to fast switch your gear or skills ,and of course it gives a small advantage in some situations but its not botting.
Even the Plane of Powers edition of Everquest had spell sets! (Probably earlier, but can't remember that far back)(It took them a little bit longer to get weapon sets macroed).
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I'm still curious as to what the /MacroExec & /MacroRun & /InventoryExec work.
These commands are supplied in-game, however, details on them (how to use) are nonexistent. I'm against botting as much as the next person as well as exploiting. It would be nice to be able to setup a Macro to change my powers from one combination to another based on what I'm doing -or- use all my potion buffs without having to open inventory and clicking on them each individually - things like that is what I'm looking to do.
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And many a botter have tried to justify the use of bots with it being a quality of life feature.
The only thing I can tell you for sure if that if you can use in game commands you should be alright. If you use third party macroing tools they read no different that botting software to detection systems. For instance people have argued that botting should be allowed as long as you have to hold down a key but at the end of the day detection systems can not tell the difference between a person who is holding down a key to bot or a person who programmed a key to remain pressed in order to bot.
If it is not able to be done through in game functions by way of key commands then it is not available whether you believe it should or not. At which point any macro (bot) to complete said action could be interpreted as an unfair advantage and thus a violation of the Terms of Service.
For instance you can argue quick swapping powers is a quality of life improvement.
If it was available to everybody it would be but it is not.
At the point it is used in PvP and is only available to those with a programmable keyboard or mouse that can equally be argued as an unfair advantage.
So in short, as always, consider if an action you are doing is providing an unfair advantage to against those with different hardware or software than you. If the answer is yes it is probably best not to do it as PWE may opt to consider that a violation of the Terms of Service.
The bolded portion is about as official as it will come. Like exploiting there would be entire novels written in rule books if they tried to define the specifics of what does and does not constitute a violation.
If it is a command available by the game itself you may use it.
If it is not provided directly by Cryptic or PWE and provides an unfair advantage use at your own risk.
here's another suggestion from a different moderator:
it is at PWE's discretion as to what they will and will not define as exploiting. if you're willing to take the risk, it is on you if your account is flagged and banned. that's not my opinion, that's a fact.
Neither PWE or Cryptic will ever give a definitive answer on what you can do before it's considered an exploit in order to avoid people going up to the line they draw and then citing the official answer whilst effectively going "Nah nah nah nah nah, you can't ban me". By keeping silent on how far you can go it allows them to continue checking this stuff on a case by case basis and issuing bans where they see fit.
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only allow for weapon/gear/skill profile changes when all cooldown timers have elapsed and not in battle mode
macros and keybinds are not one in the same.
also, i don't think the discussion here had anything to do with in-game keybinds because if that were the case, there would already be documents on how to create such keybinds as they currently have on STO's wiki and forum.
the ToS has this to say:
so you can take this information and interpret it how you want, but it is PWE that will determine what is and isn't a violation.
plus for the things we're talking about here you don't need software, just a programmable keyboard/mouse. which looks no different to the computer than keying it in yourself (just faster). if they ban that then they have to ban people using keyboards/mice completely... which makes no sense.
It's simply ridiculous that you need to manually set up a loadout for PVP then switch it back for PVE etc. etc. Quite a bit higher priority than adding new companions and mounts to the game.....
The OP asked a question and got hammered about botting and I fully understood he was asking about the switch gear like Guild Wars has F1 to F4 designated to swap out my weapons or WoW has a built in macro editor for such usage. But alas no the developers don't think you need those tools, sorry lucadevil2 you are out in the cold.
Programmable keys are run by third party programs.
Again since they act exactly the same to a bot to detection systems (which btw has absolutely no bearing on whether you are 32 or 64 bit...) It can be detected as botting if you chain commands together using that third party software. If you use single commands per key you are fine so long as the command is a basic key or in game command line.
Programmable Mice and Keyboards are not explicitly stated as being against the rules but if you use the programs to create macros there is a fine line between macroing and botting.
They also violate the rule of using third party software and any use of specific keyboards can be looked into as an unfair advantage.
There is no "This is fine and this is not" ruling though. It is purely case by case following the citation of the Terms of Service Melody posted.
If what you are doing is granting an unfair advantage due to additional hardware or software you are using it at your own risk. This is really not up for debate. It is explicitly stated in the Terms of Service. Just because you can buy macroing software via keyboards and mice does not mean you may use them in such a fashion.
Use your best judgement.
Regardless, it is PWE that has the final say as to what's allowed, and it is highly unlikely that they will give an official response.
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Whether such scripts exist or not, or what you define them as, ultimately, it's PWE's sandbox you're playing in. If they say it's an exploit, it's an exploit, and you use such programs or tools at your own risk.
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ok so whats the in game console command or command line located? The tilde key or what? Next question, I want to use CTRL+ALT+Z and equip "certain name of gear" in the head slot. So, how do I do that? of course I want to swap from one helmet to another w/o having to actually click on anything, wasting mouse movements.
To be frank, I'm not asking how to do some entire race reroll from the command line or something ridiculous. There are times when I need more deflect and other times I need more recovery but why-why-WHY do I have to fish through my 'character sheet', hover mouse, select helmet, then what type of helmet or which one then select that. By the time I can get out of my character screen my party has moved on or I'm dead because something big just one shot me while i was 'making up my mind' or during PvP it looks like I or someone is camping at the camp fire while everyone else is running around trying not to die because without that 'camper' theyre getting ganged up on. Oh yeah, gear swaps are tedious, painfull, clunky and in DIRE need of an upgrade. At least, the very least, tell us how to acess the command line and what is '/put this thing here' for swapping out a single piece of gear, please.
There is no way to auto-equip items with console commands.
In WoW you can switch your gear and power tray with one click. That is a very important basic function that has been missing from this game from the beginning. I think it is a shame the devs haven't made it possible yet. (I should not even dare to mention dual-talent...)
Farming AR or glory or whatever with a botting program, that should be against the rules, right, but if someone would make an add-on for this game to have this function, that person should be praised...
Also I am missing a built-in damage meter from the game. I want to see my current DPS in each moment in order to test different bilds and gear.
Two basic functions...
The first is present in most online games. Why not here?
For examining your DPS you need to google Advanced Combat Tracker it has a plugin for Neverwinter.
...and yes, switching gear/power trays has been requested over, and over, and over, and over, and over since beta.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
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That is nice. This isn't WoW and item swapping is not really required. There's no reason to swap weapons really since weapon types do not really provide statistical advantage and frankly every D&D game should (and almost all have) disabled armor swapping in combat.
I'd sooner request a disabling of armor swapping than ask for an easier way to swap armor in combat, and if you're not in combat there's no need for a quick switch.
So why isn't it here? Likely because it doesn't fit into the game.
Or if you are asking why you can't use a third party program to do it then the answer is because that is called cheating since you are gaining an advantage over people who are following the mechanics the developers have given them.
General rule of thumb: if it's not in a console command and your are doing a multi-step function you are likely botting.