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Artifacts and The Curse of Icewind Dale
There are several artifacts available in this module including the fearsome Black Ice Beholder and three artifacts available from the PvP Campaign. Please check out their stats in the Artifact Collection.

Class Artifacts
New class-themed artifacts are available to both reward and support alts! Anyone with at least two characters that qualify for Icewind Dale will unlock a new quest. The reward for that quest is an artifact unique to the class being played… and that artifact is immediately available to all other characters on the account.

You can obtain these artifacts through a new quest, Vault of the Nine. You qualify for this quest by having at least two level 60 characters. It can be initiated by talking to Jarlaxle in Caer-Konig, the main town in Icewind Dale.

Completing Vault of the Nine gives the player an artifact specific to their class, and unlocks that Artifact for all other characters on the account, regardless of class and level. Just check the Reward Claims Agent in Protector's Enclave!
Note that the introduction to this quest is not yet available on Neverwinter Preview. The Artifacts can still be previewed in the Artifacts category of the Collections window.

NOTE: The icons and other 2d artwork associated with these artifacts are a work in progress. Please don’t bug the green square on the tooltips or the fact that the screenshot in the collections page is blank.

Feedback
We need to collect as much feedback as possible on this so we can make these Artifacts as fun and balanced as possible. Given that, we would like you to categorize and color code your feedback so we can sort it and act on it most effectively! Please use the below format to submit bugs/feedback.

Type: Bug/Feedback (Please only choose one)
Please use “Bold” face text for the Type then type your feedback in the body of your post. If you are listing a bug please have this text in RED, if you are posting an opinion or feedback please use BLUE.
(Concise Feedback & Screen Shots are much appreciated)
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  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Question: Is the artifact reward an option like the quest to get your first free artifact or is it the artifact for the class that you specifically complete that quest with and you are locked out of the other artifacts? After you complete that quest once, do you get locked out of the quest for all of your future characters?
  • graalx3graalx3 Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2014
    The artifact rewarded is dependent on your class. If you are a Devoted Cleric you will receive a Sigil of the Devoted and all the other characters on your account can pick up their own Sigil of the Devoted from the Reward Claims Merchant.

    Every Level 60 character can run the quest. You can eventually unlock all of the Class Artifacts.
  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Edit: Nevermind, post was edited to answer this.
  • graalx3graalx3 Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2014
    So its basically a 1 time choice of the quest or can you end up with being able to pick all of the class artifacts after completing the quest on 1 of each class (if you have them all at 60)?

    I eventually remembered your second question and edited in the answer above. Every Level 60 character can run the quest. You can eventually unlock all of the Class Artifacts.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Was the bit about collecting all the Class Artifacts edited in after the above question was posted? That looks like the answer being sought.

    Edit: haha, nevermind then
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  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    So its basically a 1 time choice of the quest or can you end up with being able to pick all of the class artifacts after completing the quest on 1 of each class (if you have them all at 60)?

    When you complete the quest, you get it on that character and then unlock it for all other characters. Those characters can then pick it up from the reward vendor. So if you complete it on all classes you can pick them all up from the reward vendor.
  • two30two30 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,168 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Feedback
    I suppose feedback may be premature, but these words made me happy.
    graalx3 wrote: »
    and unlocks that Artifact for all other characters on the account, regardless of class and level.
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  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    This looks powerful. So eventually every toon will have the choice between seven artifacts? One from the Recovery quest and six different class artifacts?
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Ooh, are they one-time claims per character and does the game have a way of tracking if you destroy them as opposed to never having owned one?

    Because if you can claim them infinitely as long as you don't have one in your posession, that has some serious implications with regard to levelling up artifacts.
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  • graalx3graalx3 Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2014
    If you lose your artifact you can just grab another from the Reward Claims Merchant. Because of this, class artifacts can not be used to feed Refining Points to any enchantment or artifact.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh good, you already thought of that. :)
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  • jazzfongjazzfong Member Posts: 1,079 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh my god!!! All my alts are cleric so i got no other choice but many devoted artifacts to be claimed in the same character?? Can i use them to refine if every character of mine has multiple copy of devoted artifact??
  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jazzfong wrote: »
    Oh my god!!! All my alts are cleric so i got no other choice but many devoted artifacts to be claimed in the same character?? Can i use them to refine if every character of mine has multiple copy of devoted artifact??
    graalx3 wrote: »
    If you lose your artifact you can just grab another from the Reward Claims Merchant. Because of this, class artifacts can not be used to feed Refining Points to any enchantment or artifact.
    Nope, as was answered right above you.
  • ryuk23333ryuk23333 Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    if it will be like the quest on lv 21 then i cant see a problem whet it but if we needs a team and only one gets it that will be a big problem
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ryuk23333 wrote: »
    if it will be like the quest on lv 21 then i cant see a problem whet it but if we needs a team and only one gets it that will be a big problem

    You don't need a team , you just need at least two level 60 characters on your account .
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  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    graalx3 wrote: »
    Class Artifacts
    New class-themed artifacts are available to both reward and support alts! Anyone with at least two characters that qualify for Icewind Dale will unlock a new quest. The reward for that quest is an artifact unique to the class being played… and that artifact is immediately available to all other characters on the account.


    I must say - this REALLY sucks.
    I have ONE main character that only has a SINGLE boon from Sharandar and I've been playing regularly since beta/early-access.
    My next highest alt is only about 30th level. It is going to take me YEARS to be able to qualify.

    It's already going to take me probably another six months to even qualify for Icewind Dale.

    With this expansion, you might just push me to completely stop playing characters and ONLY playing with the Foundry.
  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    graalx3 wrote: »
    Every Level 60 character can run the quest. You can eventually unlock all of the Class Artifacts.

    You mean every level 60 character that ALSO HAS THREE BOONS from Sharandar. :mad:
  • harnelharnel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    eldarth wrote: »
    You mean every level 60 character that ALSO HAS THREE BOONS from Sharandar. :mad:

    I must say, Eldarth, this isn't that big an issue. As long as you do dailies in either dread ring or Sharandar, you can get to the tier 3 boon in less than a month. in fact, because of how the dread ring dailies work, I think it only takes two weeks to get the tier 3 there.

    Add in the character experience tomes and it shouldn't be hard for you to get a second character to 60. I have three characters there that all have tier 5 boons from the dread ring.
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Getting the tier-3 boons is not that hard...I don't see a problem with this. Now, myself, I only have one lvl 60 that I actually play....the others just sit around the campfire and do leadership tasks, but I guess I'll have one of them run through sharandar and get those boons....no big deal.

    Requiring 2 qualifying level 60s seems actually quite fair - a way to encourage people to play more, but it also gives active players a reward in the form of those artifacts...a win-win for me.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    This isn't on live for at least a month so if your main account isn't ready atm you have a nice month long warning , that is plenty of time to take 20-30 minutes a day to quickly run either the sharandar or dread ring dailies , I can see Eldarth's POV though since he almost exclusively seems to work on foundries so having no choice but to jump through hoops to get the artifacts must be a bit of a hassle.
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  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It could totally be a perception issue -- I just seem to recall it taking months for me to get the first boon, but then there were all the events, CTAs and not a whole lot of focus on Sharandar. So, maybe if I just concentrate on Sharandar dailies it'll be fairly quick.

    It just seems like an unnecessary limitation. If I want to go into a higher level zone and get my rear-end handed to me, I should be allowed. That's usually how I level as well - trying to nibble away and survive mobs several levels above me. :p
  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    eldarth wrote: »
    It could totally be a perception issue -- I just seem to recall it taking months for me to get the first boon, but then there were all the events, CTAs and not a whole lot of focus on Sharandar. So, maybe if I just concentrate on Sharandar dailies it'll be fairly quick.

    It just seems like an unnecessary limitation. If I want to go into a higher level zone and get my rear-end handed to me, I should be allowed. That's usually how I level as well - trying to nibble away and survive mobs several levels above me. :p

    You can get the first 2 sharandar boons in 1 day. The only real time limitation in sharandar are the dailies items that takes around 13-14 days to even be able to get (for boons 3-5) then the sparks.
  • maggthmaggth Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It actually takes just 30 days to get all Dread Ring boons. Sharandar is slower because of ridiculous item collection/ward reinforcement/spark collection.

    Still waiting for the patch upload on preview to see the new artifacts and give feedback.
  • orangefireeorangefiree Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,148 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Can the class artifacts be used before 60 if I unlock them on a level 60? The way it is worded it sounds like it but just wanted to make sure.
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  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I believe it's about 12-13 days to get the first three Dread Ring and/or Sharandar boons. Given that you probably have at least a month until this launches, that's not bad.
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  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Can I just check that I understand this correctly? If we have one of each class at cap, then we will eventually have access to 6 class based artifacts and the free one from the quest as well?
  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Can I just check that I understand this correctly? If we have one of each class at cap, then we will eventually have access to 6 class based artifacts and the free one from the quest as well?

    From what has been said, yes.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    From what has been said, yes.

    Glad to see that someone else shares my interpretation.



    FEEDBACK:

    Then only disadvantage of these new artifacts is that unlike every other artifact they can't be used to refine others. So unlike other artifacts where if you find a better artifact of the same type later your RP is transferable this is not the case for the class-based ones.

    Perhaps they could change it so that for these you only get the same amount of RP as you put in if they are used as fodder for another artifact, without critical chance of course, to prevent exploitation.
  • harnelharnel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Glad to see that someone else shares my interpretation.

    Then only disadvantage of these new artifacts is that unlike every other artifact they can't be used to refine others. So unlike other artifacts where if you find a better artifact of the same type later your RP is transferable this is not the case for the class-based ones.

    Perhaps they could change it so that for these you only get the same amount of RP as you put in if they are used as fodder for another artifact, without critical chance of course, to prevent exploitation.
    unfortunately at that point we'd still have an infinite supply to dump in - an infinity of 1s is still infinity. So, I'm gonna have to say I prefer what they've done thus far.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    harnel wrote: »
    unfortunately at that point we'd still have an infinite supply to dump in - an infinity of 1s is still infinity. So, I'm gonna have to say I prefer what they've done thus far.


    FEEDBACK:

    Err? The way I proposed means that if you fill one of these artifacts with X RP, and dump it into another of the same type (Power, etc) you get exactly X RP back.

    That isn't infinity*1, that is X times one equals X.....

    Whereas for every other artifact you could potentially get more RP back, and have the possibility of criticals.

    The multiplier of 'one' above could be reduced after level 59, if needed. Don't see any obvious way to exploit this.
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