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dasparil
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Then why do i see 3/5 players in 5 vs 5 being hunter rangers that seem to have endless stamina to dodge , or rogues that seem to like perma stealth ?
Granted i am a new player, recently hit 60 (11k gs) and i am trying pvp for approx 7 days, i dont see why GWF are that op as people claim , maybe it is the GWF with the best end game equipment and gems i would not know, still i dont see how the class is so op right now, with a HR and a CW in the arena i can be shut down and killed before even having 50% determination , rogues seem to have little problem spamming flourish while perma stealthed, coming in with a lashing blade then getting back into the shadows , Hunter ragners done seem to have a problem perma rooting and /or dodging away 24/7 , cw dont seem to have such an extreme problem spamming CC and or teleporting away.
i can understand the complaints about theating rush spam , yet it seems to have a really short range ( i am not sure , but seems to me its even shorter than a HR dodge) and personally i am having lots of issues with rubber banding while using it
so in concussion it might be the end game/ top tier items that seem makes GWF op , it would not suprise me, lots of MMOS have warrior like classes scale extremelly well and being awesome with end game items but still for now i dont see such opness as people claim the GWF have, and if that was actually the case, wouldnt i see more (or even the majority) of players using GWF in pvp instead of facing agianst hunter rangers and CW the majority of the matches? ( once again it can be just random, as i stated multiple times i would not know what happens in greater "ELOs" and or higher tier Matches
Granted i am a new player, recently hit 60 (11k gs) and i am trying pvp for approx 7 days, i dont see why GWF are that op as people claim , maybe it is the GWF with the best end game equipment and gems i would not know, still i dont see how the class is so op right now, with a HR and a CW in the arena i can be shut down and killed before even having 50% determination , rogues seem to have little problem spamming flourish while perma stealthed, coming in with a lashing blade then getting back into the shadows , Hunter ragners done seem to have a problem perma rooting and /or dodging away 24/7 , cw dont seem to have such an extreme problem spamming CC and or teleporting away.
i can understand the complaints about theating rush spam , yet it seems to have a really short range ( i am not sure , but seems to me its even shorter than a HR dodge) and personally i am having lots of issues with rubber banding while using it
so in concussion it might be the end game/ top tier items that seem makes GWF op , it would not suprise me, lots of MMOS have warrior like classes scale extremelly well and being awesome with end game items but still for now i dont see such opness as people claim the GWF have, and if that was actually the case, wouldnt i see more (or even the majority) of players using GWF in pvp instead of facing agianst hunter rangers and CW the majority of the matches? ( once again it can be just random, as i stated multiple times i would not know what happens in greater "ELOs" and or higher tier Matches
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If i have one 1 2 GWF with 14k+ or15k+ you can be sure they decide the fight if the other side has not the
same classes......
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Here is a bit of advice, invest in Elven Battle enchantment, dont go over greater as i have heard perfect is bugged, but i am not sure of that still, So i purchased greater myself, granted this will be awhile for you, but even lesser or something like that will help..
I have used Perfect Soulforge and Perfect Barkshield (in inventory still) but decided to try Greater Elven Battle..
It has made a world of difference on those CWs and HRs, i break their roots and CCs right away and they go running
Granted i am alot higher geared than yourself, at 16 k gs with mostly pvp gear on, once i put elven on, it did help out a ton...
It was one certain kind of gwf with a certain kind of build and a certain kind of armour/weapon enchants. In the forum it became generalized to "any gwf".
Also there is some inertia in the perception of the gwf, it will take a few weeks before they realize that both Tenacity and Healing depression made the gwf worthless. Gwf needs damage. Needs to deliver damage but also to take damage.
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
and what does GF's have to do?
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Laugh, really? GWF are Hardly worthless lol. If a GWF truly feels worthless in pvp now it means one thing; they were worthless as a player before and relied on the class being a monster. I'm an HR and GWF can still blow my moss stained breaches off. Not all of them though, unlike before. GWF was the troll class of the century pre-patch and being that brings a lot of FOM players to come a calling. I see a lot of previously neigh invincible GWF's now upset they can't tank 5-8 people at once in GG @Shrugs@ now it's only 3-4 if geared hah!
I feel pretty bad about that, no wait, I really do
Things have changed, and yet you're doing the same thing using the same build.
What'd you expect? When the meta changes, so does the build and tactic.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Did you like roll a GWF cause you read on the forum it was OP .. :rolleyes:
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Well tenacity made control and crit worthless if you ask me. Not landing a sinlge crit with 50% chance to do so is pretty much BS. PVP is turning into a completely different animal and will take some getting used to. There is more fun to be had there for sure
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My point is, that even with destro grim grear on destro build i can do **** now in PVP against similar opponent. Once again, im a PVE player and im not going to change my build just for PVP. Before mod2 i was still viable in PVP, but now its as u said, change it or leave it.
So your point is that as a PvE spec'd Destroyer, you don't do well in PvP. What did you expect? ... What you think something is broken? Makes perfect sense to me that you SUPER OP MAD DEPEZZZZZZZZ PvE Spec'd Destroyer shouldn't really **** in PvP.
What ever that is in your sig, pure bad-***.....
I'm sorry, my post was a little over the top but understand I'm not trolling you. I'm just trying to get accross that your Char is Spec'd in such a way in which makes it difficult to PvP but you probably do pretty well in PvE, there's the trade off, you ask where is the justice here? You think it's justice that your Toon and Build should be both God-like in PvE and PvP? How is that justified? And sure, Sents are Viable in PvE but they don't really consistantly rock any chart do they? Where as I assume you probably are on the top of most charts at the end of a Dungeon, you can't expect to do well at everything when you've fine tuned your toon to be at the top of the DPS board at the end of a dungeon. And it's not even that Destroyers "can't" PvP anymore. You just can't take GWF Destroyer, fine tuned to do max damage in a dungeon into PvP and expect to be able to tank 3 guys or never die anymore. And quite honestly, it should be like that cause what's the point in other classes if a GWF can be built to be God-like in both PvE and PvP? Might as well just have one Class, the GWF and get rid of the other 5.
I really don't know what class can beat the GWF of my friend on 1v1. TR just troll it, but don't kill; HR as well before mod3, now it can't do **** too with the grasp nerf.
Eh, difficulty should never be a balancing point. "Easy to build" may be a problem, but assuming you both put massive amounts of ad into 2 different classes, they should both be equally effective even if one is much easier to play. A higher skill ceiling should not translate into pure overall effectiveness. On one extreme this is like having a class that requires a 50-key input for a particular skill, in exchange for being able to 1 shot anyone from range. That's a tradeoff of skill -> effectiveness that should not happen.
Thing is, "hard to play" already confers a meta-advantage. Fewer people on average play "hard to classes" so overall experience playing against that class is lower. This is the case for rare high execution characters in FGs and MOBAs (i.e. Crimson Viper & Meepo). Of course this only holds for low-mid range pug play. At top level play, everybody is fully familiar with every class, which is why the skill->effectiveness tradeoff must disappear to counterbalance this meta-advantage disappearing.
What is a pve spec'd Destroyer in the first place ? I'm a destroyer as well and the only spec I can think of is dps and let me tell you a dps destroyer does great in both pve and pvp. The GWF as a whole has 3, at most 4 viable builds altogether. Out of those the best performing in pvp is the sentinel, the rest can do pretty good with good gear and some skill.. just like any other class really. If you meet a player with 3-4k above your own GS dont expect anything less than gettin destroyed.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Not quite so, like I already said a DPS destroyer can top the charts in a dungeon and still collect the most kills in pvp. Its not an easy ride tho. I'll list the necessities for a GWF and any other class to do well in pve/pvp so its clear once and for all :
1) You need good gear
2) You need better gear
3) You need to know your class - this is where player skill comes in
4) Know other classes
5) Know what skill set to use, swap as often as needed
6) Enjoy
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
it is easy to be op with frontline ppl almost cant dodge from it after this u have easy to chain combo and most of low hp ppl are dead after it
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
What I mean by a PvE spec'd Destroyer is those Destroyers you see with 19-24K HP who've max'd DEX over CON. As a Destoyer my self, I PvP, but I have 31.5Kish Health, 42% Damage Resistance and a 27% Deflect chance (working on improving this) I have 1.2K Regen and 1K Life Steal. My build isn't gonna top the charts in a Dungeons but I do ok and I can survive in PvP quite well unless agaisnt seriously stacked players or numbers, heck most people either mistook me for a lame Sent (The better players) or a OP GWF cheese build (The not so better players) until I told them I'm actually a Destroyer.
I understand your point but lets face it, you can't bring a 19-24K HP, 20 odd % DR no Deflect, Regen or Lifesteal GWF build into PvP and do well, no matter the gear or skill. Unless against people who have no idea what they're doing, you're pretty much gonna spend most of your time on the floor one shotted. And anyway, you already made the fatal error of assuming that kills actually mean a darned thing in NW Domination PvP. Many a time my team as a whole has had the least kills and most deaths but still won the match cause we understood it's about holding and contesting points not a death match.