I beg to differ. Your team consist of 2 HRs, 2 clerics, and a rogue. The other team consists of 2 GWFs, 1 GF, 1 CW, and 1 HR. Which team do you think is going to win? However, at the end of the match, you team only scored 145 points because you were so overpowered. Guess what....now you get 0 Glory and no Experience points. Happened to me several times. THAT IS AN EXCELLENT REASON TO LEAVE THE MATCH.
I admit it I'm a quitter. I quit because the matchmaking system is horrible. Outgeared and poor matchups are a continuous problem.
Post patch it isn't any better, My DC routinely gets put on teams where there are no swords. DC, 2 Rangers, CW and a rouge vs 2 GWF or GWF + GFs. I don't mind losing, but when you can't get a fair fight, it's not fun, why would spend 1 minute of my game time doing something unfun?
I still quit, I just don't leave. I just don't leave the spawn. Fix the matchmaking.
Great.. more ego's arriving.. Sorry to burst your bubble bud. You play this game with other people. Don't like it? face the music and get out of everyone's way for the next 30 minutes. Thank heavens for the leavers penalty. It's a dam shame it's not account wide and doesn't last 3 hours.
PS the ignore system doesn't work like that. So unfortunately us normal people are stuck with ego trippers like you for a while. Thank AO I'll soon outclass people like you. At least you won't bother me more than twice during the event time. If you can't keep your ego in your pants, go play PacMan.
I didn't say anything about the ignore system. You must be confused as to where i said: "exclude people you don't want to play with", not against. Again the chance to choose the quality of your teammates is totally in your hands! Use it and quit the whining.
You seem to be the one with the ego bragging about how good you are.:o
I also support an account wide penalty which was my main intent at starting the thread. I am not so naive to think that I can control people to do what I want, so I support people playing the game how they choose, and realize I get what i get when pugging. The tools are there to leave if you want, camp if you want, and fight if you want...those choices have been given to us by the Devs...enjoy.
grogthemagnifMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,651Arc User
edited March 2014
I agree, if someone WANTS to do something any old reason will work and if they DON'T WANT to do something any old excuse will work. Sometimes, however there are valid reasons for leaving, but I haven't found one yet.
Correction: As long as there is no good incentive to stay you will have leavers. No amount of punishment will stop this. There are ALWAYS good reasons to leave a match.
Please quote me where I say I'm amazing. My ego can use the boost.
"Thank AO I'll soon outclass people like you":rolleyes:
If you are feeling down about your ego here's a little mantra to repeat to yourself:
"I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggone it, people like me."
Hopefully we can get back on track now...
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twstdechoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 630Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
Leaver penalty is amazing!
I've had three matches so far where people, instead of leaving, either sat at the campfire, or went and stood behind the columns at the top of Riven behind our point. Great! No leavers
Still fighting 4-5 or 3-5 in those instances.
Well thought out fix. Great work! If only there were some other way to fix that, some out of the box idea that you could have come up with on your own, or read here on the forums. Some way to entice people to WANT to fight.
Well thought out fix. Great work! If only there were some other way to fix that, some out of the box idea that you could have come up with on your own, or read here on the forums. Some way to entice people to WANT to fight.
They could start by listening to actual PvP players who have been telling them what the game needs for months, or, you know, play it once in awhile themselves to see how bad these fixes were.
Sure, I'll form a premade, then faceroll the other team because half of em either d/c or hide at the campfire. That's totally a solution to the problem I have where lots of people either d/c or hide at the campfire. At least I'm the one doing the steamrolling, and I can't possibly be joining pvp because I want a good fight out of people. You want a fast solution to the hiding? A timer that kicks you onto the battle field if you spawn camp. There, problem solved. Although I'm sure someone else might have a problem with that, because *are we really debating the unfairness of making people fight other players in a game mode where the whole point is to fight other players?!?* I don't even. It's Player Vs Player, not Player Vs Player Of My Choosing As Long As My Team Is Perfect And I'm Guaranteed To Win. PVPOMCALAMTIPAIGTW would be way too hard to remember. Plus, I mean, the same logic could be used a bit more effectively in the reverse. If you're worried about subpar teaming? Premade, and stop messing it up for everyone else. And I just wanna say, put me firmly in the "and do more stuff to make people wanna play" camp as well. They're not mutually exclusive, and that's a great idea too.
As for the "remove the rewards" thought? I'm an expat from Champions Online, where pvp *literally* pops about once or twice a day. Why? They removed all of our rewards, and therefore nobody found it worthwhile. Literally the only reason to pvp over there is for the love of pvp, and so it's become a breeding ground of super-elite incredibly skilled pvpers who can pretty much faceroll any new pvper that steps in with one hand and both eyes closed. That's not a great solution, either, it flat out killed pvp in my other MMO. If you want a laugh, go over to that forum and count the "let's get pvp moving again!" threads. It's like trying to jump start a car with no engine.
In game, I am @EvilTaco. Happily killing purple gang members since May 2008. RIP Caine
Sure, I'll form a premade, then faceroll the other team because half of em either d/c or hide at the campfire. That's totally a solution to the problem I have where lots of people either d/c or hide at the campfire. At least I'm the one doing the steamrolling, and I can't possibly be joining pvp because I want a good fight out of people. You want a fast solution to the hiding? A timer that kicks you onto the battle field if you spawn camp. There, problem solved. Although I'm sure someone else might have a problem with that, because *are we really debating the unfairness of making people fight other players in a game mode where the whole point is to fight other players?!?* I don't even. It's Player Vs Player, not Player Vs Player Of My Choosing As Long As My Team Is Perfect And I'm Guaranteed To Win. PVPOMCALAMTIPAIGTW would be way too hard to remember. Plus, I mean, the same logic could be used a bit more effectively in the reverse. If you're worried about subpar teaming? Premade, and stop messing it up for everyone else. And I just wanna say, put me firmly in the "and do more stuff to make people wanna play" camp as well. They're not mutually exclusive, and that's a great idea too.
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I am stating the reality of the situation and your current choices of play options. Like it or not that is what they are.
I suggested a premade of like minded freinds if leavers and campfires sitters bother you that much, it's a solution to your problem.
If you're not going to use the tools available to you...idk what to say.
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twstdechoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 630Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. While I mostly party with my guild so that I'm not impacted by this problem, I can't always group with them, or we don't always have a full group. I'm not going to just stick my head in the sand and pretend it isn't an issue since some people can get around it and not be impacted. That's just silly.
Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. While I mostly party with my guild so that I'm not impacted by this problem, I can't always group with them, or we don't always have a full group. I'm not going to just stick my head in the sand and pretend it isn't an issue since some people can get around it and not be impacted. That's just silly.
That is directly addressing the issue and not ignoring it at all.
Keep tapping that nail with a spoon when you have a hammer in your toolbox.
Form a group of PvP friends that goes beyond your guild so when you can't be with your guild buddies you can call your "reserves".
In pugs you quite simply are going to get the good and the bad, roll with it, or don't, the options are there!
Those days when no one is around, just stay away if you can't handle the reality of the situation, why stress yourself out?
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twstdechoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 630Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
Head in the sand. Ignoring the problem. It won't fix it. Who's talking about being stressed out? We're simply looking at problems and offering better solutions than what currently exist. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other threads around to offer your version of sage advice.
twstdechoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 630Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
Yes, openly acknowledging a basic problem, that was apparently enough of a problem for people to complain about to begin with, and have the devs create a half thought out solution, is "willful ignorance". If, that is, you have no actual knowledge of the meaning of that phrase, and you're just tossing words around because you think they sound pretty.
I don't see you suggestions anywhere. I am sincerely interested, could you please point me to it in this thread? You said you were offering solutions, but it has so far just been snide comments.
I however have been offering solutions to your current problem of leavers and campers, so not sure where I am ignoring things and you are addressing them.
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twstdechoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 630Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
So, I'm ignorant, but you haven't bothered to read my suggestions... typical I suppose.
So, I'm ignorant, but you haven't bothered to read my suggestions... typical I suppose.
Nice dodge;). I did ask to see your marvelous work, if you are too shy to show it that is ok, I guess.
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twstdechoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 630Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
If you want to carry on a conversation about my ideas, which I have posted in several places and summarized here in this very thread, they are there for your enjoyment. It's not my job to play your secretary and re-post them for you.
One more thing. What can I now do when I find the chat messages of another player offensive or insulting? In the past could I just leave when it was too much. Of course I can always set people on ignore, but I do find that bad player behaviour needs to have a consequence and should not just be ignored. I do not want to report every insult to a GM either. Would it be possible to have a kick vote for PvP matches?
Ignore
Ignore temporary - take them off after a few minutes
Form a premade of people you don't find insulting
Harden your ears and put up with them
Put on your swear filter and substitute nice words for the $@&#%*
Close the chat box
Leave the party
I don't see a vote kick happening for PvP, but you never know. I don't think GMs punish these people either, so not sure if it worth the time to report.
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I beg to differ.
http://i.imgur.com/hysrvza.jpg
GWF, DC, DC, CW, CW vs GWF, GWF, GF, DC,DC
Anyway, the leaver penalty doesn't do much. Seen people leave anyway or afk at spawn(or somewhere else) or just "DC" and not come back for 15 mins.
Post patch it isn't any better, My DC routinely gets put on teams where there are no swords. DC, 2 Rangers, CW and a rouge vs 2 GWF or GWF + GFs. I don't mind losing, but when you can't get a fair fight, it's not fun, why would spend 1 minute of my game time doing something unfun?
I still quit, I just don't leave. I just don't leave the spawn. Fix the matchmaking.
I didn't say anything about the ignore system. You must be confused as to where i said: "exclude people you don't want to play with", not against. Again the chance to choose the quality of your teammates is totally in your hands! Use it and quit the whining.
You seem to be the one with the ego bragging about how good you are.:o
I also support an account wide penalty which was my main intent at starting the thread. I am not so naive to think that I can control people to do what I want, so I support people playing the game how they choose, and realize I get what i get when pugging. The tools are there to leave if you want, camp if you want, and fight if you want...those choices have been given to us by the Devs...enjoy.
"Thank AO I'll soon outclass people like you":rolleyes:
If you are feeling down about your ego here's a little mantra to repeat to yourself:
"I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggone it, people like me."
Hopefully we can get back on track now...
I've had three matches so far where people, instead of leaving, either sat at the campfire, or went and stood behind the columns at the top of Riven behind our point. Great! No leavers
Still fighting 4-5 or 3-5 in those instances.
Well thought out fix. Great work! If only there were some other way to fix that, some out of the box idea that you could have come up with on your own, or read here on the forums. Some way to entice people to WANT to fight.
They could start by listening to actual PvP players who have been telling them what the game needs for months, or, you know, play it once in awhile themselves to see how bad these fixes were.
As for the "remove the rewards" thought? I'm an expat from Champions Online, where pvp *literally* pops about once or twice a day. Why? They removed all of our rewards, and therefore nobody found it worthwhile. Literally the only reason to pvp over there is for the love of pvp, and so it's become a breeding ground of super-elite incredibly skilled pvpers who can pretty much faceroll any new pvper that steps in with one hand and both eyes closed. That's not a great solution, either, it flat out killed pvp in my other MMO. If you want a laugh, go over to that forum and count the "let's get pvp moving again!" threads. It's like trying to jump start a car with no engine.
RIP Caine
I am stating the reality of the situation and your current choices of play options. Like it or not that is what they are.
I suggested a premade of like minded freinds if leavers and campfires sitters bother you that much, it's a solution to your problem.
If you're not going to use the tools available to you...idk what to say.
That is directly addressing the issue and not ignoring it at all.
Keep tapping that nail with a spoon when you have a hammer in your toolbox.
Form a group of PvP friends that goes beyond your guild so when you can't be with your guild buddies you can call your "reserves".
In pugs you quite simply are going to get the good and the bad, roll with it, or don't, the options are there!
Those days when no one is around, just stay away if you can't handle the reality of the situation, why stress yourself out?
Well played.
I however have been offering solutions to your current problem of leavers and campers, so not sure where I am ignoring things and you are addressing them.
Nice dodge;). I did ask to see your marvelous work, if you are too shy to show it that is ok, I guess.
If it is too much for you to share your idea again and easier to type snide comments instead of restating the idea...by all means, knock yourself out.
But again I have offered you solutions to your problem. To say I haven't directly addressed them is false.
Ignore
Ignore temporary - take them off after a few minutes
Form a premade of people you don't find insulting
Harden your ears and put up with them
Put on your swear filter and substitute nice words for the $@&#%*
Close the chat box
Leave the party
I don't see a vote kick happening for PvP, but you never know. I don't think GMs punish these people either, so not sure if it worth the time to report.