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fgreyspear
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Hello everyone,
I have started playing Neverwinter only a few days ago and so far so good. It is very nice what I have seen and I do enjoy the combat system the most. It is challenging. I have come across a few hurtles, but nothing I could not get used to - except for one thing: party members who are looting while others are fighting. It is as irritating as you-know-what.
I currently play a guardian fighter and like standing in the middle of it. While I have to watch the bosses and minions, my health bar, my timers, not to mention the pretty graphics, do others seem to have nothing better to do than to wander around and to pick up loot. Maybe their choice of class gives them too little to do, or they are lost, or they simply do not know anything better to do!? Or maybe some are truly intimidated by the bosses and do not feel like fighting!?! ...
Whatever it is, while their lacking contribution to a fight is at least disappointing to watch, but can be ignored at times, can I not ignore the many "Need, Greed and Pass"-boxes popping up on my screen (sometimes 3 or 4 at the time). When I have to watch the movement and actions of a boss, spot the gap where I can hit it, do I not want to multi-task and make choices on what items I need and what not.
Can this get suspended somehow???
I imagine a complex list of options to select a default for Need, Greed or Pass could be one way to do it (i.e. Pass on all items n levels lower than my own level, always Pass or Greed on all items for other classes than my own, etc.). However, a simpler mechanic, which checks for any active aggressions and then suspends looting, would not only stop this madness, but it might give these players a change of heart. Maybe it allows them to refocus on the more important things.
I do understand that it is sometimes necessary to pick up loot in a fight, i.e. when there is loot right in front of one and one gets the option presented, which on its own can be annoying. But this could get suspended all in one.
Anyhow, this is my first experience with Neverwinter and also my first post!
I have started playing Neverwinter only a few days ago and so far so good. It is very nice what I have seen and I do enjoy the combat system the most. It is challenging. I have come across a few hurtles, but nothing I could not get used to - except for one thing: party members who are looting while others are fighting. It is as irritating as you-know-what.
I currently play a guardian fighter and like standing in the middle of it. While I have to watch the bosses and minions, my health bar, my timers, not to mention the pretty graphics, do others seem to have nothing better to do than to wander around and to pick up loot. Maybe their choice of class gives them too little to do, or they are lost, or they simply do not know anything better to do!? Or maybe some are truly intimidated by the bosses and do not feel like fighting!?! ...
Whatever it is, while their lacking contribution to a fight is at least disappointing to watch, but can be ignored at times, can I not ignore the many "Need, Greed and Pass"-boxes popping up on my screen (sometimes 3 or 4 at the time). When I have to watch the movement and actions of a boss, spot the gap where I can hit it, do I not want to multi-task and make choices on what items I need and what not.
Can this get suspended somehow???
I imagine a complex list of options to select a default for Need, Greed or Pass could be one way to do it (i.e. Pass on all items n levels lower than my own level, always Pass or Greed on all items for other classes than my own, etc.). However, a simpler mechanic, which checks for any active aggressions and then suspends looting, would not only stop this madness, but it might give these players a change of heart. Maybe it allows them to refocus on the more important things.
I do understand that it is sometimes necessary to pick up loot in a fight, i.e. when there is loot right in front of one and one gets the option presented, which on its own can be annoying. But this could get suspended all in one.
Anyhow, this is my first experience with Neverwinter and also my first post!
Stay frosty.
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But since other games have a similar loot system, I somehow got used to it.
The reason they do that could be afraid that the loot disappears (which i think is barely the case) or the loot is considered valuable to them.
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At first I thought it was people just trolling, or trying to fight some kind of high damage contest by HAMSTER everyone else with useless loot spam. Worse... we're all 60th level, why in the hell are you looting green? And why are you spamming me with with all kinds of level 2 and level 1 enchantments and runes none of us are ever going to get use out of?
This is just annoying as hell. I wish I knew how to turn it off.
Are you sure? I thinks it is bugged, actually.
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You can't , the initial need/greed window that opens cannot be rearranged , the results window can be moved so that it isn't in the middle of the screen though .
The thing is, everyone has the right to play this game how they want to. They don't need justification to pick up any loot they want, and they should be able to play comfortably in their own style without regrets or worries. Its Neverwinter's job to insure that they have coding in place that encompasses most playing styles without punishing other players. I feel this problem really needs to be addressed as one of the few remaining issues.
Its a nice idea, but it wont work in all parties, because most people like to fight and quickly run to the next fight. If you are looting, the party will move on ahead, and by the time you finish, they will be already to the next fight after that. Eventually you will only be there to loot. Just like its not fair to ask players to not loot, its equally unfair to ask players to wait for players that do want to loot.
Not to mention, I don't see why this has to appear in the most disruptive possible spot, and the window is unmovable. It should really be an UI element that we can drag to wherever we want.
i don't think it's asking too much of someone to say in party chat:
"can we please wait until the fighting is over to loot?"
and how that would be patronizing, i'm not sure. i don't see how that comes off as elitist. if you can't (or won't) communicate to your party, i don't see how you expect to complete a dungeon.
So simple. I fail to understand why Cryptic chose a system which considerably disturbs the fight, and also opens the door to drama.
Exactly! And it wouldn't take rocket science to fix it. Just alter a few flash parameters and make sure the new entries don't conflict with anything else. Well, Im assuming is a flash based GUI system.
A question that I often ask myself, when in a group where all the other players appear to be Polish, understand no English, yet appear not to understand the basics of PvE, either. How, precisely, do you explain the tactics for killing a boss, if it's a fight that requires more than just pulling a Leeroy Jenkins?
(By the by, having a separate Russian server is my favourite feature of NW, as Russians seem to be not just unable but often unwilling to use a language that anyone else is likely to speak. Cyrillic spam has swamped entire servers in other games)
It usually doesn't take people too long to realize that this stuff gets in their way too.
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Ah, how wonderful. I hate having to roll for every stupid worthless green item, and people just don't get the hint
would this help this situation at all?
to OP, as a frequent end-game dungeoneer, the key mapping is set up that you do not need to stop fighting in order to loot, and select your N/G/P for rolls. "F" is a quick key to press easily, and as someone else has said, its pressed (for me) because the box is open and blocking my view. The only things that get picked up, though are crafting mats and blues/purps, which cuts down this problem drastically. if you're leveling, be assured that when you're done with lowly levels, this happens far less often.
Soloing encourages immediate grabbing to clear the window and reduce post-fight downtime. It is well-known that habits reinforced while soloing can conflict with expectations while grouping.
Improvements to the interface could probably reduce the problem, but changes to the interface inevitably HAMSTER off some subset of users.
I don't see how making the UI element for this moveable would annoy anyone.
I have come to believe that the leader might be able to pre-set them once the entire party is formed but before you queue into the dungeon, but I've never tested it. I haven't tried to figure out if there's a way to set to only trigger rolls on blue and higher (instead of green and higher).
The problem is that loot rules in dungeons when entering via the queue will default to roll on green and above, and you definitely can't change them once you're actually in the dungeon.
I should ask my lovely cooperative guildies to help me thoroughly figure out the override setting, if there is one at all. Just never bothered.
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I was imagining more radical solutions, because the popups would be distracting even if moved. I was probably also being unduly pessimistic.