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100,000+ Glory for set INSANE
vatesblade
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Yes that is right, the new pvp gear averages 20k per piece thats 100,000 glory for the set, 150,000 if you include the weapons, 200,000 if you include the accessories, this is just ridiculous. I will NOT be pvp anymore, if it was broken before, now it is smashed, on top of that the gear is bind on equip which means within 2 weeks this gear will be on the AH and then pvp will be totally Pay to Win, any one who can drop 200 bucks in zen and convert it over can get there gear while the rest of us will have to toil for an ungodly amount of time for ours. This alone will probably make me leave the game. Way to go Devs Brilliant Idea run off your customers, there are other games for us to play you know.
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Disadvantage for maybe a few weeks. So what?
20k per piece seems reasonable. For me, it would take maybe 3~4 days per piece (if I give up on the other daily quests and really concentrate on PvP during my limited play time), so getting 6~7 pieces will require at most a month. Considering they're the latest gear, seems reasonable farming time.
So, in the worst-case scenario, I'll probably have to suffer some idiots thinking they PWNd me with skill when it was actually gear difference... for maybe 4~5 weeks, until I also reach the same starting line, and then start PWNing them in return.
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I'm sorry, what's the problem here again? The need for instant gratification?
It's not like rank10 enchantments, which (due to how the refine system works) takes unrealistically and excessively huge resource/time investment to obtain.. and therefore, "earning" rank10s for all your gear is pretty much hopeless. In this case, it is definately P2W, and I know someone is simply lying when they say they crafted all rank10s from scratch.
But 20k-ish glory? Work for it for a few days, and the gear progression is straightforward. You know your reward is coming at a steady rate, and though P2W people may hold an advantage for maybe a few weeks, you're getting their pretty soon, so long as you work diligently. This is an effort with a clear reward that is within realistic bounds of your reach.
I don't see no problems with this -- I only see a whine I cannot understand its reason.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
What did you expect, farming everything in 1 or 2 days?
FYI 100k for an armor set isn't the worst part - it's the 27 Seals of Triumph. You can only get up to 2 seals per day. The power of Mathematics tells me that is a minimum of 14 days for an armor set.
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Please read the patch and you;ll feel alot better.
It's part of the challenge of the game, and get's people to play.
Ontop of this, the T2.5 sucks for most classes as well. So you dont even HAVE to farm that set, you can farm the T2 set which is BETTER for most classes and costs ALOT less AND you can even trade in GG armor directly for it.
The neck/rings/belt also suck and diminishing returns hit so hard for tenacity its not even worth getting over 800-900 of it....
MY personal opinion is that its perfect the way it is as far as cost, I just wish the gear/weapons/items didnt suck so hard....
Ill be using my formorian set (BIS) combined with 4/4 Grim gear that I will trade over for free and keep my current neck/rings/belt.
So unfortunately (yes unfortunately) there is nothing I am going to have to farm... Not to mention the stat difference between T2 and T2.5 is almost nothing, so even if the T2.5 sets were better, the player with T2 versus the player with T2.5 would be a 100% skill based matchup.
Gear>Class>Skill
Well guess what, maybe I worked hard for my paycheck and don't have all that free time to play a game but still want to enjoy the content?
There will always be somebody better, with more time or resources, deal with it. Grinding a dungeon 30 times has nothing to do with earning an item, it's a chore. A game is supposed to be fun, if people decide to spend their hard earned money on it, so be it.
Again, for maybe two~three weeks.
You're talking as if that relative advantage of shiny new gear is going to last forever.
How is this any different from a late-entry to the game, and bringing up a new character fresh into lv60? The moment you enter PvP there are players who began months, years earlier than you, and already equipped with the best gear, whereas you are just starting to get gear. Are you going to complain that you can't compete with all that disadvantage?
Some scrub wants P2W and buys everything. OK, so what? He may be able to feel superior for until as long as it takes you to get gear of your own. Fine. A few weeks of gruelling games. But after that, the conditions are equal.
So when your gear = their gear, then what next? Is it still Gear > Class > Skill?
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Last time I checked all PVP gear is BOP....
Also it really doesnt take long for someone to farm the T2 pvp gear, which is literally equiv to the T2.5 gear... In more cases its better than the T2.5 gear (gwf/gf/tr/cw)
I bet if you played just a few hours a night you could have the T2 FULL pvp set with rings/weapons and everything in about a week...
Ontop of ALL of that, they are releasing the elo rating system which will pair up players of equiv skill level.
So that guy whose fresh 60, more than likely will never even see someone with a perfect vorpal/R9s/10s until he has had some time at 60 to gear up himself... And if he does see that guy, its because the player is really really bad so you would easily be able to overcome the gear advantage via skill...
The problem with ELO system : a good player/team can lost some pvp match intentionally and then he can confront weaker players and ensure victory. Victory = glory.
(sorry very bad english
Lets lay this out.
A good player wants to purposefully waste time to lose to hope that affects his elo rating enough to where he can have an easy win? If he is good why not just win in the first place?
The one loss is really NOT going to affect elo ratings much. So for a truly "ensured" victory you would have to lose like 3-4 times and by that time, why not just try and win? Youll spend atleast 45+min losing games for NO glory just to guarantee a win for 500 glory? That seems like a very ineffective way of glory farming to me... Id rather just spend 20 minutes in ONE game trying to win, if not, ill have better and better chance to win each time I play.
Yeah , from what I have read about various ELO systems in different games intentionally losing just to get into a lower tier so you could roflstomp some weaker players for a few matches would probably be completely counterproductive to overall glory gain at best.
Adding some sort of monthly league tables/ladder for pvp players would also help to mitigate this type of behavior , after all who would want to risk losing ranking /league places just for the sake of killing a few much weaker enemies?
i bet a lot of people will come back to play.
Starting with 25k Glory, you can easily afford the T1 Set.
Start working your way up... the T2 set slowly replaces T1.
Grind for ages, T2.5 replaces T2.
Good concept, long time to get.
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Sorry but to me this is basically the PvP version of the campaign gear you get from sharandar and dread ring. Both of which you have to get from grinding end dungeons, buying from NPCs and crafting, making them very very hard to get. And if im not mistaken some of those pieces cost 20k AD which in all fairness makes them harder to get for casual PvE'ers then getting glory would be for casual PvP'ers.
As a PvP'er you're going to be PvPing anyway and as long as you get the min requirement for glory, win or lose you get glory every match so its just a matter of how many matchs you do a day. Where as for the PvE'ers we are forced to stick to which ever campaign area we are trying to get the armor from, can only do so many quests a day and in order to run the dungeon more then once have to spend 5k for another key and even then we are not guaranteed to get the drop we're grinding for.
Im sorry to say, you can complain all you want but you still have it easier.
You've just made it quite clear you are averse to paying zen. That means you're not a customer being ran off. Just a regular free player complaining about how other players are supporting the game financially so it can be open to public.
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If everybody has this attitude, the world will be a better place.
I'm not sure what it is about this generation of gamers that equate grinding with skill. It doesn't take skill to run a hamster wheel. It doesn't take skill to do something trivial and simple, repeatedly.
The major determining factor will be the win/loss payout.
NOOOOOOOOOOO NOOO nononono,,,,, Devs dont do that! make the PAy to winners work for it ,, that will ruin pvp again ****** !
I'd see this as a temporary thing to facilitate testing, as people with more currency can help equip their friends with less. That is all.
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Stock up on GG coincs (50 Glory each), get 500 (You're 1/2 way there).
Earn the rest. Not hard.
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This is most likely the case, since nothing bought with Glory or other currencies are BoE on live.