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Too much Armor Pen, please fix
borken69
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 56
There is way, way too much Armor Pen available to HRs right now. I'm sitting on nearly 3k with the Royal Guard set and Dread Legion weapons alone. Please change either the armor or weapon 2 set bonus to power so we can itemize for PvE a little better. It's very disappointing to see wasted stats on top gear.
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I love having the ability to compltely ignore ArP off armor and weapons and thus focus on the other stats to achieve the build I want.
Obsidian Oath - Warlock
A whole lot of other Obsidian toons as well.
I didn't say it's broken and I'm fine with capping for PvE off armor and weapons too. My problem is that we're overcapped and can't do anything about it. The only weapons with a set bonus that don't have ArP on them are the crafted ones, so those are really the only viable T2.5 weapons for me. If strength didn't give resistance ignored, this wouldn't be an issue.
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Literally the first line in your response described how great more ArP is for PvP. And I'm very aware of how easy it is to stack the other offensive stats or take defensive ones as well. The point, which clearly escapes you, is that if you're trying to min/max a HR build, you are forced to:
a) Have way too much ArP
b) Take gear with a set bonus you don't want
Neither of those is a good option, since a good set bonus obviously trumps any stat distribution. Every other stat hits DR, so while overstacking it isn't necessarily helpful, it isn't USELESS. Overstacking ArP is USELESS. That's the issue here.
Considering the set bonus is rendered irrelevant by having Royal Guard or Dread Legion this frees you up to choose different things to suit what you are doing with your build. I don't even have a t1 set and ArP is capped for me, which is great for me. Its my only character with ArP capped and compared to the hoops I'm jumping through to get my other toons capped I appreciate this change.
So yes I understand you want it fixed, and I very much get why, but I similarly don't want it fixed.
Obsidian Oath - Warlock
A whole lot of other Obsidian toons as well.
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If you aren't interested in min/maxing that's totally fine, build your HR however you want. I don't go into your threads and tell you your problems are stupid. I'm asking for a change that does nothing but make strength better instead of wasting one of its bonuses.
My simple response to you is to take your points that you slotted into Str and place them elsewhere. There are numerous opportunities for where this would suit you depending on what you are specced as.
Dex I will assume you have already maxed as you mentioned PvE. I will also assume you are going ranged as that will far out strip melee in terms of dps once storm step is fixed. That means your points are not going into Wis for the extra crit chance - due to the feat that increases crit chance by 5% every non crit.
That leaves you with Charisma. For Pve - Slotting Aspect of the pack to automatically grant a 10% bonus damage to all party members is just nice. And then speccing to increase that bonus for youself only makes sense.
The only thing you lose out on? Some bonus stamina Regen. But with the 25% you gain in the Ranged tree, as well as the 10% you will more than likely pick up from the Sharandar boons, as the other boons are useless for you in pve. That gives you 35% straight off.
I will assume you are not also specced for the base 10% you can gain in the Heroic tree, as you mentioned min maxing. And there are better heroic feats to choose from than that to min max.
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I put 0 points into strength. My starting roll was 13 so I have 16 at 60. That's 6% ArP that doesn't do anything for me.
Then that, my friend, is purely unfortunate.
For Pve dps I would probably look at one of the other sets instead of Royal Guard - Cannot for the life of me remeber the name, but which ever one has a chance to do extra physical damage on your attacks. That is all dependant on the proc chance of that though...
19.9k PvP Control Wizard
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Now we're on the same page
It does really come down to the proc chance on those gear sets though. If the chance is really high and we can get continual procs of AoEs then the t2 set could well be bis.
However, Myself not being a Pve player anymore in this game (All I do is PvP now)
19.9k PvP Control Wizard
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I don't have to worry about this, since Gemmed Hunter's Blades +6 are the best blades you can have for melee.
Because T2 bosses in PvE cap at 24% mitigation, so more than 2500 ArP is useless in PvE. Combined with the mitigation reduction from strength, this is a waste of stats.
I understand your gripe, that it's kinda wasted. Luckily now you have the luxury of slotting power everywhere.
This isn't an uncommon problem though - for example my TR has way, way, way too much crit and I never slotted crit. I'm not here complaining about more crit ^^
Also, for PvE, the times when PvE is actually hard (three fights this game), you don't lose because of DPS. A properly geared ranger does plenty of DPS.
So i would just say, ok now, if I PvP i do great damage to tanks - awesome! in PvE i do great damage to well, everything! Awesome!
And as for set bonus, IMO royal guard is the way to go b/c of the regen. Regen is best stat to have.
Seriously though, complaining about too much armor pen is like complaining about too much bacon or chocolate. I guess i when I gear my HR i will just take my 3k armor pen and smile
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
At this point, I'm less concerned with the stats and more perturbed that the community in general doesn't seem to even understand the problem. Overstacking crit on a TR is not the same because even though crit has DR, you're still getting something out of having more crit. Your crit chance still goes up. Overstacking armor pen does literally nothing.
I said i wouldn't waste my time in this matter but i will say that i do understand the extra armor pen is useless after 24% i just don't care i am not being forced to stack it or slots rings for it its just there and when something is just there and not really doing you any harm then why should i care i think the majority of the community just doesn't care they don't have to waste money on dark enchants or even think twice about the stat its just there to be taken advantage of or not. Any way have a good one
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For example, a common level 60 blue ring gives 300 points of bonus (the better ones give 399 but we'll leave that out for the moment). Might be 100 power, 100 crit and 100 recovery. If you saw one for 100 power, 100 crit and 30 recovery you'd think there was something wrong with it.
Having gear that gives more than 2500 armor penetration is exactly the same as having that ring that only gives 230 points of bonus. You're missing 70 points that could be somewhere else.
In the OP's mind that's not good, and I agree.
To carry the example further, while you can take that 230-point ring and say "I didn't need the extra 70 points of recovery anyway I'm building for power." The fact is that you're still getting gear that's inferior to what a wizard or fighter has access to by 70 points.
What he's asking for is to make the ring "170 power, 100 crit, 30 recovery" so those 70 points aren't lost and so hunter gear is on-par with everyone else.
What the OP seems to be missing, but you seem to be saying, is pick other pieces from the same sets or from different sets and you won't go over on AP. Am I reading you right?
Personally, I think none of the sets should ever have bonuses that exceed a game's built-in caps. That's just poor design. At the same time, if there are other ways to get the set bonus he's chasing and avoid going over, that's a valid workaround.
Edit: fixed typos.
We cap ArP and can make it to 30% readily and with effort go beyond that closing in on 40%, I thought GWFs were a problem in PvP...
Obsidian Oath - Warlock
A whole lot of other Obsidian toons as well.
The amount of ARP we can get on gear is amazing for PvP.
Not so much for PvE which is where the OPs min maxing is coming into play.
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I noticed that every class pretty much has a set of primary stats:
TRs get Crit, Armor Pen, Deflect
CWs get Recovery and Crit
GWFs get Power, Defense, Regen
GFs get Power and Defense
DCs get Power, Crit, Recovery
HRs get Armor Pen, Crit, and Recovery
Recovery is not a stat you should stack on HR until you hit other milestones and it comes in very small amounts on gear except forest lord and forest warden. That said HR's get the Highest amounts of Power Crit and Armor Pen On Most there gear Excluding forest Lord which is a deflection and recovery set. so for HR it should be We get alot of Power Crit Armor Pen
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That said, by the time you are all geared up (say 14k+) and have these items, the problems in PvE are more about coordination than gear. If you are with a similarly geared team, and they are doing their job, you are not hampering the effectiveness by being overstacked in armorpen. It might not be as efficent as say, moving those ponits to power, because I think with correcting aim, crit is less important to HR, and then recovery is not that important esp. if you use royal gaurd and the cooldown feat in archery, so I stack power in my slots for HR - but power only makes a little difference.
That said - i find on my HR i always want more defensive stats, but keeping balance, so i am using the hrimnir set for now, maybe switch to MC set, or maybe even repulsion rings. I think the damage issues i have will be largely fixed when i craft my bow.
So what's the use of this armor pen? PvP.
A tank GWF or GF can only be really hurt with overstacked armor pen, maybe 3.5k+. If they are pushing 5k def+ defensive feats, then the HR with overstacked ArP can really take them down.
That's why i don't complain about this... it is not optimal for PvE, but you do plenty of damage for anything in PvE, but it makes a big difference in PvP. I think most players here would love to have 3k natural armor pen on just about everything (i know I would).
The only other reasonable option would be crit - but crit DR is harsh and you crit more and more and more if you don't crit, so i don't think it's as important
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know