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Ranger Vines are SOOO Annoying.
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Honestly... You can't even break free from them even if you use your Anti-CC powers (Villan's Menace).
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I here ya!
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Explosivo - Scrub geared MoF CW - Climb upon my BIG ASSED steed....
yeah. kinda funny how the CONTROL wizard's choke is severely limited in duration in pvp, yet the HR's roots survive 2-3 times as long.
Go figure
Funny how HR is a ranged, high burst damage dealer and all melee characters, even blowing all immunities and movements (especially in the case of GWF), in the end can only sit there and take it once the vines come out...
Please, a dev have said its a bug and will be fixed. At the moment, it is literally decimating PvP matches (at least non-premades without their own rooting HR), leading to even more than usual broken teams and longer queues, and players are understandably upset.
Yet another bug that should never have got to Live.
The HR has 1 stun, that happens in intervals. We have another stun that we can do once on a cool down. Then we have roots, to slow stuff down from getting to us if we're ranged. Yes, in a 1 on 1, they can be annoying as you have to deal with taking more damage to the face (not something a GWF is not use to) before getting to them. But you can be slowed by chill from a CW. You pop unstoppable and you negate the CW stuff, the snare hangs on for 3 seconds, so you don't sprint until it's gone. HR only has weak roots on 3 charges. If you run straight at them and they use the root as soon as it's off cool down, guess what? You'll still reach them before the 3rd charge.
personally, I find smoke bomb more annoying than root. Comes out of no where, if you're lucky and not laggy you *might* get a dodge off to get out of it. It lasts when you're outside of the ring. All around it sucks to play against.
potential double post: I play a melee HR. I try to strong root everything I can so that I can help my team. A sprinting GWF can still stretch the root that when the second one is applied, they can reach the HR. So even if broken, it's an annoyance, not a detriment.
I hope they fix the bug but things could have been worse, since i thought with 2 ranged classes i would be geting more cowards on pillars/bridge but instead we got nice ranged people that like to fight with skill right on the ground.
You got pulled back right after using any dash ability while affected by strong grasping roots.
And it's undodgable.
And melee part plus another ranged Strong Grasping Roots applier that roots 2 targets. Plus knockdown and silence on low CD.
It takes you 1.5-2 seconds to walk out of smoke bomb. It takes you eternity to walk out of GR's.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
Actually, you can dodge the arrow that shoots it. A GWF can't dodge anything. Unstoppable ignores it. Unstoppable breaks it. I've had plenty of hindering shots dodged, however, so that's not an issue.
The melee part of hindering shot (hindering strike) is on a 12 second cool down. It hits anyone in the PBAoE of the ranger. If a ranger is in melee with you, to apply said strong roots, then you don't have to leap to them. If they are using the long cool down hit one time with strong roots (plus anyone behind you) then a) it's at half range and b) you *still* can reach them with the leap.
If the smoke bomb is dropped outside of stealth then yes, it's a quick step out. If it's dropped from IN stealth it's a snare (like roots!) and you can't dodge (which you CAN do while rooted) so the TR that just dropped it is about to kick your can in. Even snared by roots, you still have your defensive capabilities.
With all that said, in response fairly close to order that Meh said, meh. Devs said the bug is a bug. Which means that eventually ITC/Unstoppable will no longer be rootable, which'll change how the game plays back to what it was of 'dance of death around the GWF/TR and pray.'
Thats an observation applying to all classes at a certain gear score.
But I understand it is way more frustrating for you do die when the killer jumps right in your face instead of killing you gently with a stab in the back or an ice knife from above casted from unseen range with the potential of killing you twice or more with one power...
Yes its very frustrating that you SEE the top geared GWF right in front of you, when he kills ye
I think fixing the abilty to sprint cancel spam threatening rush the same way they fixed weapon master would help a lot. You can do 3 threatening rushes without losing stamina by holding down left/right in the time it takes a GF to do 1 right now. Being able to sapm it like that also keeps mark up for 23% more damage much more consistently and allows me to run trample the fallen instead of bravery for another 15% damage on my prone combos.
That is why it is nearly impossible to get away from GWFs right now. They would still be highly mobile even if it is fixed, but you could time getting away form them better.
Daria - Dwarf Sentinel GWF (mistaken for Halfling a lot)
Karia (aka "The Pug") - Human Combat HR
Kayd - Human Conqueror GF - Retired
on purpose?
do something asap
Uh no, choke lasts nowhere near 3 seconds in PvP. Seems more like 1.5 seconds at most. Just because root allows you to still do actions doesn't mean you're not getting screwed any less. My CW doesn't want to be rooted in front of 3-4 enemy players. Doesn't matter if I can cast because I'm probably still about to explode.
Explosivo - Scrub geared MoF CW - Climb upon my BIG ASSED steed....
It's when the GWF is doing the killing of 3 people, while not dying or coming close to dying, or being cc-able, that I have a problem with.
Your GWF tears of 'zomg one thing that actually affects my perma cc immune' are delicious.
+1 to this! GWFs have absolutely no right to complain about pvp right now!
This isn't an easy fix. It's obvious this isn't an easy fix from how long it took for unstoppable to be fixed. There's also other things that work on unstoppable/ITC/Villiand meanace through the 'immune to cc' thing too. So most likely when they figure out that bug, they'll get to the 'root' of the problem and fix all of them.
GF is so <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> no matter the vine is fixed or not tbh.
their vines damage is pathetic, idk why you'd worry about blocking it. I'm more worried about not ever being able to go anywhere or hit anything from the constant sliding. You can't block the sliding even if you block the damage, anyway.
EDIT: GF IS f'd in pvp, though, you're right.