Are you serious? As if you weren't already breaking ALL the enchantments you now have to go even further and CHANGE completely what a soulforged IS? How are you allowed to let people invest 84 Coalescent wards + Shards into a Enchantment then 6 months down the road CHANGE the entire nature of the armor enchantment from making you invulnerable for 2-5 seconds depending on the quality TO resurrecting you after you die?
They did the exact same thing to the old Stalwart Bulwark GF armor set , people paid a fortune for it or had to spam dungeons countless times to get it then they filled it with rank 8 - 10 enchantments only for Cryptic to completely change the set bonus with little to no warning giving them no choice but to spend another fortune unslotting their high rank enchantments .
It's BiS for GF'f and GWF's in PVE, possibly BiS for DC's and TR's, but I think barkshield would be preferable for most CW's. Not that good in pvp though. Maybe if they reduce some of the heal and give 1-3 seconds of damage immunity or something.
How do you think all them old Stalwart users are going to react to the news that soon they can unsocket stuff for a few gold. Instead of the millions of AD they paid?
That IS the problem since CB, every issue goes back to "its an mmo"
mmo = mass multiplayer online, which = lots of people play it and its an online game.... nothing more.
The idea that mmo games MUST function within certain criteria only shows the unwillingness of the developers to think outside the box.
According to everything i gather about mmo's, they at there core are simply supposed to suk.
Its an mmo so it by default cant be D&D. Its an mmo so by default characters can have no diversity and must be "balanced". Its an mmo so players can have no control whatsoever even in small amounts. Its an mmo so "everything is subject to change"...... ect.. ect.. ect..
It all stinks to high heaven. Absurd.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited November 2013
Yep, they nerf just about everything they think is OP: Tennys, HV set, Stalwart, and now Soulforged. Like others have said, it will be great for the tanky classes, and not so much for the squishy ones. *shrug* Barkskin may be the better way to go now. We'll see how it plays out.
Not a single word has been said for the reason by developers about this very expensive and high impact change.
So, we came to the eventual speculative conclusion it was to do with Armor Swapping. It is likely the developers could not figure out how to fix a Damage Immunity armor enhancement spanning items, leaving them with either changing the entire armor system or changing one enhancement.
This also explains why they have not said anything.
And, this is why we cannot have nice things.
... Could not think of anything? Give me a break how about CANNOT swap armor/weapons while in combat? Pretty fricken simple to me.
On another note where people say that this was "overpowered" it did exactly what it says.. Not where Tenebrous enchantments break dodge, or HV went above & beyond 3 stacks all the way past 70~ and the Stalwart set granted you thousands of points of Power that was completely un-intended. DO NOT give me this is OP, this enchantment did exactly what they put into the description "Making you invulnerable for x seconds" and seriously, how are you allowed to just "change" what a enchantment does completely, how about refund the amount of shards/coalescent wards I put into this enchantment, which I highly doubt will happen.
Frustrated & Angry,
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michaelpoynerMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 75
It needed a change. When you go into pvp and 10 out of 10 people are using SF...hello?
The same could be said for Vorpals. Or pvp health pot use. Or mount use. Or campfire buffs... Nerf those too because 10 out of 10 people are using them on any given pvp game?
The scenario you highlight is not indicative of overpowered or out of balance.
I see briartwine (generally only some tene users), negation, barkshield, bloodtheft in matches i join, aswell as SF.
As has been said, MMOs and anything/everything in them are subject to change at any time at the discretion of the developers. This will be located somewhere in the TOS anyone who plays the game has to agree to.
If a person has problem coping with change, MMOs are probably not the best game for that person.
If this nerf about pvp balance I am ok with it since I am just a casual pvp player.
But it can ruin the best enchant for pve (for cw/tr) as well. (you probably just get double killed if surrounded by mass number of heavy hitter adds in hard boss fights)
They should nerf it only for pvp and leave it be for pve.
Besides skilled players will kill you whether you wear it or not. Expert TRs always burn you to 30-40% carefully not to proc it and then finish you with lashing blade.
If it procs they immediately recognize the animation (such as the purple skin) and doing something else for a few seconds.
Guess TRs similar ITC is ok...?
Besides skilled players will kill you whether you wear it or not. Expert TRs always burn you to 30-40% carefully not to proc it and then finish you with lashing blade.
If it procs they immediately recognize the animation (such as the purple skin) and doing something else for a few seconds.
Guess TRs similar ITC is ok...?
This. I have never had problems against characters even with perfect SF, you know it will proc, so you manage you damage to finish off your target before it procs or even kite you target while the proc is active. You still can CC a target under SF proc. And Shocking Execution of course.
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17 failed procs
8 at me
1 due SE
2 due CC
6 due over 25% damage
against 8 success procs
5 on enemy CW(hmm no wonder)
2 on enemy TR
1 on me.
I can't speak for the enemies, that get gangstyleriped or out of hearing(you can hear the proc if you stand near enough at the enemy). So the failnumber is maybe much higher.
Yes you can say im biased against CW. But they take can exploit as class best the SF proc. Because the trigger of SF have a delay. If you got CCed(hello CW) then the trigger reset every time until you die or have 2s non-cced time.
The SF is so broken in many ways.
SE kill you doesn't matter that SF is on.
Tene kill you doesn't matter that SF is on.
CC avoid SF on firing - hello CW.
Overkill damage(>25% damage as OS).
Switching Gear for new SF fire.
So the CW Q.Q that the new one don't help against hard hitter mobs? LOOOOOOOOOL. ROFL is more the right word in this case.
Hard hitting mobs are over... 4k damage impact on me. With 60% DR! What have a CW? ... 20%? 30%?! Then you got only... oh 7-8k! I have over 30k that is over 7,5k capacity of OS without procing. A CW have... less. So with such an impact, it wouldn't proc. Saying it safe my life!!!!! Q.Q is for me in such a calculation a joke. So please feel free to show me a Video how the SF safe your ashes from dieing.
If the devs will listen to the suggestion how it should proc the reviving, then ALL classes will benefit from it. Currently the CC master and ranged one/Heavy DD can avoid SF proc easy or abuse this system.
Well you guys wanted tenebrous nerfed. Now it doesn't ignore your immunity nor defenses.. and now you want to be immuned for 3 ~5 secs on top of that? You can't have it all .
LoL, says the kid coming to cry about his tenebrous enchants WHERE NO WHERE IN THE DESCRIPTION SAID "WILL EVEN GO THROUGH INVULNERABILITY" grow a pair and learn to pvp.
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As has been said, MMOs and anything/everything in them are subject to change at any time at the discretion of the developers. This will be located somewhere in the TOS anyone who plays the game has to agree to.
If a person has problem coping with change, MMOs are probably not the best game for that person.
You do not understand.. I have read their TOS but we are allowed a SAY in what they change, Take a look at all the "crying" or people posting at how ridiculous this is.. Bait & Switch when you change an enchantment from what it does ENTIRELY. Get your head out of your HAMSTER, either nerf the time of how long invuln but do NOT change it entirely. People usually cry because SF doesn't even PROC all the time. How about all you start going and PLAYING the game instead of coming here whining about sh*t you don't even have. Go buy it an try it, it hardly even procs and when it does you are happy as hell because it SAVED you.. It doesn't happen often but when it does it is a LIFESAVER, get real and stop changing something 6 months down the road, make something new -.-
POUTING,
Pestilence
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You do not understand.. I have read their TOS but we are allowed a SAY in what they change, Take a look at all the "crying" or people posting at how ridiculous this is.. Bait & Switch when you change an enchantment from what it does ENTIRELY. Get your head out of your HAMSTER, either nerf the time of how long invuln but do NOT change it entirely. People usually cry because SF doesn't even PROC all the time. How about all you start going and PLAYING the game instead of coming here whining about sh*t you don't even have. Go buy it an try it, it hardly even procs and when it does you are happy as hell because it SAVED you.. It doesn't happen often but when it does it is a LIFESAVER, get real and stop changing something 6 months down the road, make something new -.-
POUTING,
Pestilence
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You are not allowed a say in what they change.
You are allowed, by virtue of the forum they provide, to express an opinion on game related matters. Being able to express an opinion about something, which may lead to change, is a far cry from having a say in something, which implies an obligation on their part to change things in accordance with what is said by players.
This isn't the first time something was drastically changed in the game. There were a lot of complaints about changes to the Stalwart set, which didn't result in them going back on the change. This is just another case of something similar.
I'm not keen on it myself, as when players can't rely on their achievements enduring it can cause them to lose interest in the game. But, as of now at least, that's how things are in this game.
I have a Soulforged, so mine is going to change up like all the others. I'm just not getting all uptight over it, because I know what's here today in an MMO may well be gone, or different, tomorrow.
Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, I'm being sincere.
My questions are:
1. As a CW(Ranged Class) why are you close enough for them to CC you? You can attack from out of their reach.
2. As a single individual why are you in a crowd of 3+ enemies alone? A good PvP tip that I figured out: If there are more than 2 people, unless you're a tank, run for your life the moment you start getting ganged up on. You're not going to win a fight against multiple, decent skilled, enemies unless you have some extreme skill.
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Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, I'm being sincere.
My questions are:
1. As a CW(Ranged Class) why are you close enough for them to CC you? You can attack from out of their reach.
2. As a single individual why are you in a crowd of 3+ enemies alone? A good PvP tip that I figured out: If there are more than 2 people, unless you're a tank, run for your life the moment you start getting ganged up on. You're not going to win a fight against multiple, decent skilled, enemies unless you have some extreme skill.
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They did the exact same thing to the old Stalwart Bulwark GF armor set , people paid a fortune for it or had to spam dungeons countless times to get it then they filled it with rank 8 - 10 enchantments only for Cryptic to completely change the set bonus with little to no warning giving them no choice but to spend another fortune unslotting their high rank enchantments .
That IS the problem since CB, every issue goes back to "its an mmo"
mmo = mass multiplayer online, which = lots of people play it and its an online game.... nothing more.
The idea that mmo games MUST function within certain criteria only shows the unwillingness of the developers to think outside the box.
According to everything i gather about mmo's, they at there core are simply supposed to suk.
Its an mmo so it by default cant be D&D. Its an mmo so by default characters can have no diversity and must be "balanced". Its an mmo so players can have no control whatsoever even in small amounts. Its an mmo so "everything is subject to change"...... ect.. ect.. ect..
It all stinks to high heaven. Absurd.
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... Could not think of anything? Give me a break how about CANNOT swap armor/weapons while in combat? Pretty fricken simple to me.
On another note where people say that this was "overpowered" it did exactly what it says.. Not where Tenebrous enchantments break dodge, or HV went above & beyond 3 stacks all the way past 70~ and the Stalwart set granted you thousands of points of Power that was completely un-intended. DO NOT give me this is OP, this enchantment did exactly what they put into the description "Making you invulnerable for x seconds" and seriously, how are you allowed to just "change" what a enchantment does completely, how about refund the amount of shards/coalescent wards I put into this enchantment, which I highly doubt will happen.
Frustrated & Angry,
Pestilence.
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I'm waiting for Petulant or maybe Pouting.
The same could be said for Vorpals. Or pvp health pot use. Or mount use. Or campfire buffs... Nerf those too because 10 out of 10 people are using them on any given pvp game?
The scenario you highlight is not indicative of overpowered or out of balance.
I see briartwine (generally only some tene users), negation, barkshield, bloodtheft in matches i join, aswell as SF.
If a person has problem coping with change, MMOs are probably not the best game for that person.
It's just more simple to nerf one which is OP then buff those are UP.
But it can ruin the best enchant for pve (for cw/tr) as well. (you probably just get double killed if surrounded by mass number of heavy hitter adds in hard boss fights)
They should nerf it only for pvp and leave it be for pve.
Besides skilled players will kill you whether you wear it or not. Expert TRs always burn you to 30-40% carefully not to proc it and then finish you with lashing blade.
If it procs they immediately recognize the animation (such as the purple skin) and doing something else for a few seconds.
Guess TRs similar ITC is ok...?
This. I have never had problems against characters even with perfect SF, you know it will proc, so you manage you damage to finish off your target before it procs or even kite you target while the proc is active. You still can CC a target under SF proc. And Shocking Execution of course.
8 at me
1 due SE
2 due CC
6 due over 25% damage
against 8 success procs
5 on enemy CW(hmm no wonder)
2 on enemy TR
1 on me.
I can't speak for the enemies, that get gangstyleriped or out of hearing(you can hear the proc if you stand near enough at the enemy). So the failnumber is maybe much higher.
Yes you can say im biased against CW. But they take can exploit as class best the SF proc. Because the trigger of SF have a delay. If you got CCed(hello CW) then the trigger reset every time until you die or have 2s non-cced time.
The SF is so broken in many ways.
SE kill you doesn't matter that SF is on.
Tene kill you doesn't matter that SF is on.
CC avoid SF on firing - hello CW.
Overkill damage(>25% damage as OS).
Switching Gear for new SF fire.
So the CW Q.Q that the new one don't help against hard hitter mobs? LOOOOOOOOOL. ROFL is more the right word in this case.
Hard hitting mobs are over... 4k damage impact on me. With 60% DR! What have a CW? ... 20%? 30%?! Then you got only... oh 7-8k! I have over 30k that is over 7,5k capacity of OS without procing. A CW have... less. So with such an impact, it wouldn't proc. Saying it safe my life!!!!! Q.Q is for me in such a calculation a joke. So please feel free to show me a Video how the SF safe your ashes from dieing.
If the devs will listen to the suggestion how it should proc the reviving, then ALL classes will benefit from it. Currently the CC master and ranged one/Heavy DD can avoid SF proc easy or abuse this system.
Maybe a couple more crappy patches where you nerf my fortune and it will be pouting
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LoL, says the kid coming to cry about his tenebrous enchants WHERE NO WHERE IN THE DESCRIPTION SAID "WILL EVEN GO THROUGH INVULNERABILITY" grow a pair and learn to pvp.
-Pestilence
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You do not understand.. I have read their TOS but we are allowed a SAY in what they change, Take a look at all the "crying" or people posting at how ridiculous this is.. Bait & Switch when you change an enchantment from what it does ENTIRELY. Get your head out of your HAMSTER, either nerf the time of how long invuln but do NOT change it entirely. People usually cry because SF doesn't even PROC all the time. How about all you start going and PLAYING the game instead of coming here whining about sh*t you don't even have. Go buy it an try it, it hardly even procs and when it does you are happy as hell because it SAVED you.. It doesn't happen often but when it does it is a LIFESAVER, get real and stop changing something 6 months down the road, make something new -.-
POUTING,
Pestilence
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You are not allowed a say in what they change.
You are allowed, by virtue of the forum they provide, to express an opinion on game related matters. Being able to express an opinion about something, which may lead to change, is a far cry from having a say in something, which implies an obligation on their part to change things in accordance with what is said by players.
This isn't the first time something was drastically changed in the game. There were a lot of complaints about changes to the Stalwart set, which didn't result in them going back on the change. This is just another case of something similar.
I'm not keen on it myself, as when players can't rely on their achievements enduring it can cause them to lose interest in the game. But, as of now at least, that's how things are in this game.
I have a Soulforged, so mine is going to change up like all the others. I'm just not getting all uptight over it, because I know what's here today in an MMO may well be gone, or different, tomorrow.
My questions are:
1. As a CW(Ranged Class) why are you close enough for them to CC you? You can attack from out of their reach.
2. As a single individual why are you in a crowd of 3+ enemies alone? A good PvP tip that I figured out: If there are more than 2 people, unless you're a tank, run for your life the moment you start getting ganged up on. You're not going to win a fight against multiple, decent skilled, enemies unless you have some extreme skill.
* or better gear.