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[Feedback] The new Soulforged Enchantment
meldan3n
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Hello,
please don't change the Soulforged Enchantment! This is the only enchantment that is useful for Control Wizards.
CWs don't have skills like Unstoppable or Impossible To Catch. Taking away the Soulforged from CWs will lead to extreme unbalance in PvP.
The new Soulforged cannot be used by CWs, because reviving leads to immediate death or CC.
Please don't do it!
please don't change the Soulforged Enchantment! This is the only enchantment that is useful for Control Wizards.
CWs don't have skills like Unstoppable or Impossible To Catch. Taking away the Soulforged from CWs will lead to extreme unbalance in PvP.
The new Soulforged cannot be used by CWs, because reviving leads to immediate death or CC.
Please don't do it!
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Otherwise instant res is pointless.
The other party was made of 2 GWF, 2 GF and 1 TR.
Except for the TR, all the other four players where using prone/knock because of the Paragorn merge.
There I was, a DC, being thrown from one side to another, by two or three players, and eventually died.
That's when the Soulforged proc'ed and I ress'ed, while under Prone. They just kept Prone'ing me to my 2nd death.
I'll be removing Soulforged on both my DC and CW.
New soulforge will be a lot better especially in pve, when u made mistake and get unlucky citted by boss for full hp (trs/cws).
Soulforge never granted resistance or immunity to crowd control effects. Nothing stopped anyone from continuing to CC a Soulforged target.
As for Elven Battle, I haven't observed any real difference on my alt who has it. I'm not sure if it's because the enchantment isn't working as intended or because it follows the letter of its description and only mitigates slows and roots. If it doesn't reduce prone duration, it's nearly worthless.
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For some classes the new soulforged will be better, but i don't think it's generally better. Not what i read about it. Instantly revive without CC-/Damage-immunity? = CC/Damage from attacker. Only if the attacker burn all his encounter/Daily, than it's maybe good. Else it would only a second fast dead. Does the soulforged add a revive penalty like helping a down teammate? How will SE be nerfed/working with this new case? SE kill you immediately so if soulforged work only with down person it become useless again against this OP-daily.
For CWs, most of their damage is backloaded, meaning they have to ramp up damage to you and face a very large risk of being taken below 25% before they have a chance to take you out. The existing Soulforged enables a CW who is not being focussed with CC to complete their role as a sniper OR to have enough time to receive emergency healing from a DC. Of course, in premades as a CW you are always the priority target, so something with an upfront benefit like Barkshield is better anyway.
For TRs, while most of their damage is frontloaded, their combination of stealth, dodge immunity, Impossible to Catch immunity, Bait and Switch, etc. means they are able to chain survival techniques and having Soulforged was one more tool in that list. But these tools are there for a reason - they are almost as squishy as a CW yet have to be in melee range to be most effective.
For the remaining tanky classes, if anything, the new Soulforged is a buff due to the synergy of extra HP and their damage reduction techniques.
The devs have not said why they decided to change this one particular enhancement, something they do not seem to do lightly. Perhaps it was either a reliability issue (current SF has proc/delay/timing issues) or because of too high a synergy with the high number of dodges and therefore dodge immunities of the new Hunter Ranger class. Though, from what little I can tell, the new class' dodge is very small and the immunity is near instant, while also lacking the large number of survival tools of a TR.
Perhaps it is because SF scales poorly in PvE and too well in PvP. You do not really need anything above a Lesser in PvE and anything more than that in PvP with a non-CC-focussed competent sniper class, in particular, makes you a demon. But if it was this reason, why has it taken them almost a year to change it?
May be it is a big picture thing? They want to make high level endgame content easier, so this is a cheaper way to do it without having to change all the content nor change the Revive mechanic (which would affect all content in the game). It would therefore just be unfortunate for PvPers that SF was already the most popular armor enhancement...
(*) Testing shows that this is no meaningfull buff in PvE since you do not suffer a true death. All that basically happens is your health hits 0, then you instantly get HP back. There is no threat reset or delay. Thus, it is like having DC's Holy Resolve or GF's Ferocious Reaction but from HP 0 - note there is a reason that those abilities are on the tanky classes...
The SF proc provides no CC/Prone immunity.
Removing the "old" one is a step back. It will lead to a huge unbalance.
Who is "you guys"? The change to SF affects practically the entire endgame playerbase in all contexts in comparison to the miniscule impact of the Tenebrous changes in only one context. Logically, there is little to no overlap between complainants.
Thus, given it is totally irrelevant to this thread, it sounds more like someone is pissed about changes to Tenebrous and happy they got a little of their effectiveness returned entirely by accident.
You guys= the people who whined about tenerbous.
Soulforged was actually ditched for barkshield in PvE,even before module 2 rework, because it is obviously better
In PvP:
Barkshield requires that you stay out of combat, if you want to have more than 1 charge. That's why SF was a better option for some classes that are required to stay in combat and/or have difficulties to be unfocused.
In PvE:
you can easily have more than 2 charges of barkshield due to:
1- The expected locations of where and when the mobs will land their attacks. which can easily be dodged.
2- the gaps between packs of mobs, which allows you to build more charges.
That's why barkshield is better than SF in PvE, even pre rework, since it negates alot of damage and because SF would rarely proc if you are taking a lethal damage from a boss.
On the contrary ! i'm happy with the tene nerf, would take more people to kill my sentinel now without that huge bursty damage ^^.
Since tenerbrous doesn't ignore " immunity" anymore, and SF was one of the sources of "immunity", i find it very relevant to the thread. And like you said, my tenes got some effectiveness back with the SF rework
No comments... I want to see their face when their sentinel gets hitted by the nerf hammer :P
I have geared DC, TR and GWF. So my face would stay the same if that ever happen
No one ever complained about SF being OP. The only complaints were that the higher the "rank" of the SF, the lower the chance for it to procc on time.
They probably didn't manage to fix it, so they decided to ruin a whole class. :mad:
Imo what it needs in order to not be so op is to add a daze effect to it, make u immune to cc and dmg, able to move maybe with a slow effect(30% slow?!) but unable to cast anything for the duration!
Devs, please comment on this!
But that shows me again, that we need different treatment for PVP and PVE. In PVP some abilities and enchants should work differently than in PVE. In PVP they could add immunity, in PVE you don't need this.
There is no "huge burst imba damage" anymore, so i don't see a reason for 3~5 seconds immunity on top of that
exactly whats is the planned change please? from 5 seconds immunity to ???
it will resurrect you after death with a flat % HP and then a % HP HoT. i don't have the actual percentages at the moment.
Cheers for the info thanks mate
It would be better if the standard rezz window would show up with a 3rd button that lets you rezz yourself with the Soulforge enchant. You can click it within x seconds or just release normally. This way you could decide when to rezz or if you want to rezz at all.
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I like everything about it BUT the autorezz - this causes trouble in PVP and I hope they don't keep this like it is now on Preview. Otherwise you just feed doublekills to the enemy team alot.