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mlgdonut
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Could somebody tell me how they destroyed the game with BoP?
I haven't played in a while.
I haven't played in a while.
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The only thing which is BoP is that which comes out of the chest. Previously the economy was so flooded with items that everythign other than a handful of T2 items were worthless. This meant that players who reached level sixty could get the best gear with Astral Diamonds the moment they reached level sixty and then...well...they either farmed and further flooded the market or got bored and left.
The game was saved, for the time being, due to the BoP change.
Those who are complaining are simply not considering the grander picture. They say "I am not getting rewarded for dungeon anymore *cry*" without taking into consideration most of the items had been farmed to hell so much that they were worth less than they can currently grant through salvaging.
Being able to sell items doesn't make them rewarding if they are worth jack diddly-squat anyway.
However BoP was only the first change to stabilize the end game progression for the time being. They are looking into ways to improve the system further to be more rewarding. Perhaps even reworking it completely from what Andy Valasquez stated.
As someone who did this (bought gear for level 60 characters) I honestly didn't notice much of a difference. I mean the prices on Beholder before and after BOP didn't change all that much. At least not for the items I bought. They went up a little, but not hugely. In fact, since the merge many of them have gone back down.
Either way, I agree... BOP wasn't the armageddon some thought it was going to be. Probably because they left a trickle of items that aren't BOP from the bosses.
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The "junk" drops which consist of necklaces and rings went from 1-3K each for basically every drop to 3K minimum for Tier 1 and 6K minimum if it is Tier 2.
Not much but the maximum for most rings and necklace drops were 3K outside of the Ancient Rings and Necks.
Every Single Tier 2 drop has gone up 20K at least. And I do mean every single one.
The set items went from being 100K for a full set of abasically any Tier 2 Gear to around 100K a piece.
The price of gauntlets has gone up from about 50K at most before the BoP change to 200K at least for almost any piece.
I am curious on how expensive the gear was on beholder because I wouldn't call a 500% increase on basically every items I have ever looked into a small increase.
However, I have and always will agree BtA would be better for DD Chest drops. But BoE = bad, bad, bad. That can come back when they nerf the drop rates to where they should be.
(guaranteed purple loot shouldn't be in the game to begin with. Take out the guarantees and add some valuable filler like AD)
The main stuff I was looking for at the time of the change was the ancient weapons from Castle Never. Before BOP and the Merge the mainhand for a CW was often on the AH with the cheapest being well over a million AD. More likely you'd find the cheapest one up for sale at 1.5 million AD. The offhand was often at 800KAD and up. Every now and then you'd see a cheaper one show up, but they were bought up pretty quick. Even niche stuff like one of the hirmnir set pieces (frozen) were 150KAD or higher. Its on the AH right now for 73K.
The T2 sets followed a similar pattern. Even though they were the ones affected by the DD chest change. The more expensive sets stayed about the same. It was only the cheap ones that went up.
*I don't have the numbers on the T2 sets. Frankly it didn't matter if they went up 20K AD a piece. The price drop from the CN boss drops more than made up for it a hundred times over.*
Some of the demand simply went away after Fury of the Feywild. The people who go for BiS items now mainly go for Malabogs items and those who take a more casual approach may still find Malabogs Castle Farming easier, more enjoyable and/or more rewarding than trying to do Castle Never or farming for the AD to purchase Castle Never weapons.
All in all I think CN simply got farmed a lot by the elitist players after the BoP change and the demand for those items just aren't what it used to be and thus the prices dropped.
As a side note the only dungeon I haven't completed is CN but that's because the group I run with doesn't want to stack CW's. We've beat everythign else in the game consistently without stacking CW's and I'm sure we'll beat CN without stacking CW's too.
The thing is, to the elitst players who are BiS gear stacking 2-3 CW's CN is easy. When you do that and are decently geared CN is likely one of the easiest dungeons in the game and thus ideal to farm to the players who are most likely to farm dungeons anyway.
If the drops are got enough so you want to keep them for yourself anyway, it does not matter if they are BoP (better BoA).
Can you imagine how low the prices of T2 if you get to choose the BiS from your chest and having the item unbound?
With the amount of DD farmers, we would see a 100k for T2. so you wouldn't be making money either... prices would be too low that it would be more worthy to just salvage the item.
^This. With BOP on the DD chests, I think a lot of people switched to farming CN. That drove the price on ancient gear down. This was predicted by several in the thread where they announced the changes.
runebane,
It was, but not for the reason they thought.
They thought CN would be the only dungeon worth farming because they thought drops would be worthless.
However the farming they do is purely because of ease due to the stacking of CW's. They find it easier, not necessarily more rewarding.
Also, the offhand drops aren't very rare or hard to get. I have salvaged a few and while buying has some advantage I don't think most players who care about BiS outright hate doing a bit of farming now and again nor do casual players normally rush to buying something rather than taking the chance to farm it themselves granted that it is a reasonable chance to farm.
For instance many drops we get in my guild get sold depending on what it is. There will always be a chance to get another chest but the drops are a fair bit rarer and more worth selling.
The whole of the sharandar has been a fail. It was buggy on release, drop rates are appalling, off hands are BoP and you can't even mail them to yourself, and the dailies were made to be incredibly repetitive. I hope the next one doesn't disappoint.
They have a habit of doing whatever they can to halt any form of wealth building that doesnt require you buying Zen. The Salvaging system should not be converting to rough AD. Atleast before, i could generate some AD instantly running dungeons all day long.
Huh, interesting.
I guess it depends on what you're used to..... my first "real" MMO was WoW (vanilla through Cataclysm, with long breaks in between expansions). So, for me, having things bind - as well as having the majority of dungeon/raid "boss drops" be BoP - is the "normal" way these things work, and this idea of having nigh-everything unbound and sellable is strange.
(which, needless to say, makes me really confused by all the apocalyptic doom posts about things being BoP. But, then, I've never been an auction-wheeler-dealer in any MMO I've played. /shrug)
(and the ever popular, post-raid-nerf, "Now my gear is worthless! :mad: Other people have it!" :rolleyes:)
People are still farming CN heavily so there isn't much change aside from some price increases, but not enough to complain about.
As others have commented BoP has made more of a negative impact on cosmetic items deemed BoP. It's an issue I hope they address.
I don't understand this.
As a CW, the prices are still very high for these, and I just don't get it. Without trying my Recovery is way past the soft cap where it gives any noticeable returns, and other than slightly higher damage and Power, Regen is only slightly useful and Deflection is worthless.
The Orb of the Champion Mage (from Gauntlgrym) and the Shadow Weaver talisman seem to be a more useful combination of stats to me, at the cost of a little less power and damage. Can someone tell me why I'm wrong?
Since BOP I have gotten ONE t2 item that wasn't BOP and yes it went for 40K, but the stuff I was getting out of the chest before BOP was going for 50-150K because it was the stuff people wanted. maybe junk drops have gone up a bit, but they don't nearly make up the difference. I still run 1-3 DDs a day out of boredom, but I won't put a single dime into the zen store since this change.
Lots of people could end dungeons easily, and sometimes, the easiest part of the game was the end boss, giving secure loot to who doesn't have the skills and GS to get there. I think the bugs were fixed very slowly, giving time to massive DD farming.
I don't understand how can be possible for a rogue to farm the first bosses continuously in CN without getting hit (and im a rogue).
I agree that bid to account would be much more healthy for players to experiment new characters, and enjoy different views of the game.
rough AD was recently injected into the community thanks to the waukeen coin event. now go take a look at the astral diamond exchange rate. with more people actually hitting the 24k a day cap, more AD is filtering into the economy. if the refine limit was increased, the rate to change AD to zen would be through the roof... more than it is now. that's what happens when you inject more money into an economy.
Bigger issues revolve around the dreadful dungeon queuing system, the nature of the inadequacies of the Delve mechanic and issues such as one person leaving a group before the end of a dungeon messes it up for the other four people in the group.
BoP itself is not much of an issue overall other than the irritation mentioned above. I'd rather see the chest rewards be a token or some such, even if its just to buy fluff.
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You're "wrong" because in the current BiS gear, having HV+Ancients/Fomorians will allow you to be at 3100-ish Recovery without the need to enchant it anywhere. Hence, you can get more ArP/Crit/Power from your enchants.
At this point, I would favor an option for party to USE GREED ONLY, so that if any ancient weapon drops (the only stuff really worth any AD), all the players have the same chance to get it.
The problem has really become, how can I ever get a top weapon/off-hand (the one with sets of 2 stats) for my other characters' classes without spending about 1M AD for each (about $20 equivalent each)? This is ridiculous, especially now that Dracolich is "practically" impossible to kill.
Suggestion: add a "small"probability to get a T2 weapon/off-hand/Armor Pieces for other classes in your chest...
Or MAKE THEM Bound To Account
Whenever some amount of currency is injected into an economy there is always ripples, but when an economy is changed it stabilizes. Not everyone would be rushing to purchase just zen if you put more AD in the economy. They would also be able to afford more Items from the AH making demand for such items increase, making prices of such items increase, making those selling those items more profit, giving players more incentive to procure those items. This was the rationale given for the mistake that was BOP. This is why governments always want to expand their economies.