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No compensation for Stalwart Bulwark rework?
bratzinator
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Hey, has there been any announcement about if there will be any form of compensation for it? I don't want to start another thread about the rework being a fail, but as the rework failed to take the set most GFs used from overpowered to decent - but instead made it the worst GF set availlable in the game - many people will their enchantments locked into equipment you would normally sell to a vendor.
People would not complain about that so much if the rework would have made the set a decent or situational choice, but it is not. A decrease of the set's power was surely expected by many. But what players expect is that an overpowered ability is reduced in damage, an overpowered buff is reduced in stat value etc. When putting pricy enchantments into a set that might be OP players take the risk that a patch will take the set and decrease the set's strength to a balanced state while keeping it viable. But getting a set from best in slot to worst in slot while completely changing the mechanics is not something you can blame the players for not to have expected.
I, myself don't have too much AD invested in my Stalwart set (3 Dark 6s, 1 Radiant 7, Lesser Soulforge, 3 items transmuted, which combined with the AD cost of the equip should still be below 1M AD), but others with Greater Soulforged Enchants or Rank 9-10 enchantments and 4 pieces transmuted may feel a little frustrated selling their equipment to a vendor for 6 gold and 40 silvers.
Was there any form of compensation announced for the players, or not? Did they say anything if they would look into the set further (maybe reworking it again to make it balanced instead of underpowered?). Did they at all respond to guardian fighter related threads or just in the TR/GWF discussions?
OT: What about you guys? Did you sell your stalwart set to the vendor already to free up inventory space or do you keep it in your bank as a memento? I personally did not sell mine yet, because of the transmutes - still looks cool at least...!
People would not complain about that so much if the rework would have made the set a decent or situational choice, but it is not. A decrease of the set's power was surely expected by many. But what players expect is that an overpowered ability is reduced in damage, an overpowered buff is reduced in stat value etc. When putting pricy enchantments into a set that might be OP players take the risk that a patch will take the set and decrease the set's strength to a balanced state while keeping it viable. But getting a set from best in slot to worst in slot while completely changing the mechanics is not something you can blame the players for not to have expected.
I, myself don't have too much AD invested in my Stalwart set (3 Dark 6s, 1 Radiant 7, Lesser Soulforge, 3 items transmuted, which combined with the AD cost of the equip should still be below 1M AD), but others with Greater Soulforged Enchants or Rank 9-10 enchantments and 4 pieces transmuted may feel a little frustrated selling their equipment to a vendor for 6 gold and 40 silvers.
Was there any form of compensation announced for the players, or not? Did they say anything if they would look into the set further (maybe reworking it again to make it balanced instead of underpowered?). Did they at all respond to guardian fighter related threads or just in the TR/GWF discussions?
OT: What about you guys? Did you sell your stalwart set to the vendor already to free up inventory space or do you keep it in your bank as a memento? I personally did not sell mine yet, because of the transmutes - still looks cool at least...!
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I feel dirty like one of those Craig List Girls.
anyway well the DEV team seems that do not like the GF community they not even answer any of the post, Mods on theother hand are with us for most of the problme however most of them just tell to move on and do not have any update from DEVs either, i will save my set probably they will give use something like the ption to take out enchants for free who knows.
but you will probably see less GF around, and a lot more timeless armors as well, and now that timeless will be the norm there will be a lot of crit and 2 hit kills in pvp, and since people is telling that that is the way it should be then they do not deserve to cry about it in the future.
I wouldn't mind having a OP armour set for a while, but I would be smart enough to realise it wasn't meant to be that way and then waste aload of AD on it.
the problem was that teh DEV at any point mentioned in any post that the set needed a nerf, so if the set made it after open beta then would mean the dev team accepted that it was going to remain the same, they even adjust the lv of the equip and never mention that the set was going to change.
again the problem is that even a nerf would be better, decrease the stack% but mantain how the set works.
but then they just rework the set, yes the stats are the same but the set now work completely different so all build araund that thet and rings and other stuff is uselles now, cause they are bind to you character and you cannot use them with the set, yes you can adjust it to other build, but for that you will spend the money again since you already did it (some even twice due to the change in lv of the pieces).
again the respec is something that will help a little in comparison to what we need to do in order to use other sets, just think about it, to move my GPF and my greater souldforge i need 600k.
so that is why i am telling you hope this will happen to everyclass someday with the same rules, the BiS equip on the game for everyclass that at any point hasbeing mentioned by the DEV team that requires a change, then in a patch just rework it to something totally differnt that render it useless again your set of rings/neck/belt and build, so you will have a piece of garbage for a set with a greater soulforged and rank 7 enchants that if you use it you will be the worst player around.
to give you a better perspective, if you are a TR and then cryptic decide that TR will be the new tank so lets change all the feats and dailies for them to increase defence, reflect and lets take out crit and damage buff, what would you feel?, most of the sets and equips are focused on damage and now they are useless to you, you will need to find something for defense that maximize your usage. all the time it took to build up and money if you invested some are now useless, you cannot sell them cause they are bind to you and cannot use it cause you should be a tank now (this is a drastical comparison but you might imagine a little) again, dont care anymore no DEV has come up to say something, i will adapt and move one i already had timeless and CN ancient set before the patch and anouncement so i am lucky, others are not that lucky.
Come again when they've broken your class mechanic in half, nerfed every single daily you have to the point where it might as well be an encounter and butchered half your feats.
All this entitlement whining ala "Oh no, my super-mega-so-op-you-know-it's-gonna-get-nerfed armor set loaded with perfect/rank10 enchants did get nerfed!" is just making people who are facing actual problems bitter.
Stalwart never was OP in PvP, most GFs I know of didnt even use it in PvP since it provides no ArPen, Crit or Regen and you have no augmentive companions in PvP. Also the effect required you to take damage first to work, which means lowering your shield and being undefended against crowd control and that you dont have the set bonus activate when you initiate the fight, which is what you want in many cases.
And cranking loot?! If you take all possible drops a GF can get from a chest you get the worst AD income except for clerics. Also GF was and maybe still is the class most parties leave out.
Calling the set "way overpowered" is also a bit exaggerating. The damage boost you get from the set is on par the T2 sets of TR and GWF, but the unfair advantage was the set being "way overdefensive", offering 2-3% more damage resistance and deflect than other equipment choices.
The bonus is very easy to understand and it was not buggy or so. Clearly the set bonus was 100% intended to work that way and the set was around for soooooo long, without there being any announcement of plans to change that set, while in the meantime other classes sets were changed, having there bonus decreased by percentages. You could maybe expect the buff to be decreased by a certain percentage, I give you that. But changing a set in a way it can no longer be used to be playing with is not predictable and sure you put AD into your stuff. The new mechanic is so dumb, it gives you bonus damage for emptying your guard meter which lowers your damage.
Imagine they would change Avatar of War (BiS GWF) set bonus to "Everytime you are affected by control powers gain 20 bonus damage on your next attack. Stacks 10 times." Or take the set bonus of Swashbuckling (one of the best TR sets) to "When you lose stealth due taking damage you gain 20 bonus damage on your next attack. Stacks 10 times." Would make just as much sense and even then the sets would still be better because they have decent stats and a decent 2 set bonus.
If you had issues with a GWF this build was even stronger as it did more damage and just as tanky plus the CC's. And PvE with 14.8k Power with 20% CRT/24% ArP was the highest damage set with very high tanking. A very broken combination as a tank build should not also do the most damage.
Now the highest damage will be DPS builds with low survival as it should be.
I feel the pain of GWFs complaining about having the best TAB skill ingame reduced in effectiveness... wait? what does GF have? single target mark? ...yeah, no
Running around with 2/2 at least makes sense on GWF. GF sets except for one dont have 2 part bonusses that match the set and there is no set with a offensive stat distribution on it that could be compared to Avatar of War in any way. Did you even play GF with the set?! It was best in slot but not phenomenally super-op.
But I did not start the thread to argue if the set was OP. There should just be a compensation as the set is the worst in slot option now and people have spent much on it. GFs now need to maximize their character in a different way as the mechanic of stacking health for power bonus was removed from the game. Just like classes that get their skills changed get a chance to move their feat points to a new build the classes that gets their sets changed should get a chance to move their enchantments.
And I think you dont get the magnitude from this change. You cannot compare it from reducing Unstoppable uptime. You could compare it to removing the entire skill from GWF and giving them something completely different. If they gave GWFs the crappy mark TAB-skill for example and remove unstoppable.
I think its not the fault of the set that the BUILT is OP. There are other items you can use for that and they might even be more viable. Its not about if the set was OP however, but about that its <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> now and you can basically sell it to a vendor because they failed to do a decent rework at it and there is no compensation for it.
When they change your armor you can use a different set, when they change your feats or powers you can respec, when they break your class mechanic in half, you have nowhere to go, so your comparison doesn't hold water.
I rather think you're underestimating the magnitude of the changes(or rather bugs, hopefully...) to Unstoppable. It's not just slightly reduced uptime or something, the entire mechanic is so broken it isn't the same ability anymore.
What are the three things Unstoppable did? Increase outgoing damage by increasing at will speed, reduce incoming damage by raising damage resistance while active and make you immune to CC. Why did it have to do both offense and defense together? Because unlike everyone else, GWFs lack a dedicated evasion mechanic like dodging or blocking. Especially in PvP, a GWF has to just take hits that other classes simply dodge or block.
What has changed? Well, two of those things are basically gone. Forget Unstoppable for reducing damage and forget it for weathering CC while you advance. Oh and forget increased damage as well, if the target is hitting back, so I guess the third is half gone as well. Why? Because in addition to its cut uptime when no one's hitting you(down from 8 seconds with a full determination bar to 6.something) Unstoppable simply turns off entirely when your tiny temp HP pool is gone.
For now, it might as well read:
Unstoppable
While active, your at will attacks are faster but weaker. You break out of control effects when you first activate the ability. If you suffer 3 hits or are hit for over 8% of your hitpoints in a single attack, you are dismounted...oops, I mean Unstoppable instantly cancels.
I have the Stalwart Bulwark set and have been reporting several times that it gave me power increase but no damage increase with that power, so I have not benefitiated from it.
Even though they are not an official business on the Better Business Bureau they have responded there previously. Send in a complaint on their website for resolution if you have spent real money and object to these kinds of changes.
Also there is a petition here to bring attention to these kind of practices here. Please sign this if you feel as though changes like this have violated your rights as a consumer.
I started the game late and didnt even know it was way overpower and broke. Forums I read said that was the best armor to get so that is why I got it. As a new player I did not know anything about other classes and gear. The dev's put it in, it was their fault to begin with and so they shold have had some kind of compensation for those that used it. Costs alot of AD to unsocket rank 7's/8's greater/perfect. That is all people are asking for. The dev's could have easily unsocketed every GF in the patch and all complaitns would have been solved. So simple
o.0 I got a gf, and gwf, and currently the GF is so OP compared to the GWF it's not even funny.. actually , all the classes are OP compared to the GWF, atm, so that was probably the worst comparison you could've made
It means it's completely up to them that you need to either purchase or farm your enchantments again, including the wards to fuse them, or pay even more AD's to unbind them from your old and now obsolete set.
Couple this with the congratulations to the folks who made use of the lockbox fiasco (the bug was known a couple of days in advance on the preview server) and the 'fix' to not being able to unbind companions by calling it a feature, I find it rather big FU towards the playerbase.
I want my AD back.
only thing they should do is allow to take sockets out for free
gg PWE very smart policy very smart
ps. as for ppls who say it was obv this will happen - you guys suggest ppl should use worst possible items cos thay sure as hell wont be made useless? Or every1 should just ask you if thay can use some item combination or you think its OP?
Haven't spent a cent since this patch nor have I logged in. FFXIV suits me just fine and maybe EQ Next will be everything it is being reported to be. Either way, I don't like being mistreated when I spend money on something. If I bought super awesome training shoes from Nike and they helped me perform better when I was working out and then Nike came into my house and took them replacing them with sh1ttty a$$ shoes I would never buy from them again either. This isn't hard to put into perspective, it is simply an unethical con from a greedy gaming company.
Sad to hear that pal. The training shoes that you brought comes with wings that it allow you to fly while running~ cool isn't it? Then one day, they decided to take away the flying ability...omg~ Enjoy while it last. Move forward
Yah this is a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> poor analogy with absolutely no value to the actual issue. I didn't ask for a side of troll with any of my purchases. Although.... if I could purchase troll restraining orders, I would surely do so, and you would have to find another way of being idiotic.
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Take it easy. It is just another one of your poor judgement and poor investment in stalwart. Tissue for you..
I was using what was in the game, I get the nerf , but they should of let us take the enchantments out. There was no poor judgement , it was the best in slot of GF bottom line. I spend real life money and time , they should let us get out of it , since it was THEIR issue. It was not like it was a bug or exploit .
The real issue is the broken game mechanic of un-socketing enchantments. In a few months new tier equipment will be introduced in the game, and everyone will be expected to suddenly pay millions of diamonds to transfer his enchantments? Making all player's time and resources spent void is a sure way to drive players to stop playing. Un-socketing prices should be seriously lowered, or some other mechanic should be introduced, the current one is not efficient, and irritating to players.