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merlin420idmerlin420id Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Do I really have to pay to access a new area in the new end game content so that I can get gear that is worse than the gear that I'm already wearing and that I can't sell?

Somebody please explain the benefit to me?
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  • somedogesomedoge Member Posts: 54
    edited August 2013
    The benefit is that you spend money on things you don't need. I have no clue what they were thinking in this one.
  • riftizdeadriftizdead Member Posts: 43
    edited August 2013
    Do I really have to pay to access a new area in the new end game content so that I can get gear that is worse than the gear that I'm already wearing and that I can't sell?

    Somebody please explain the benefit to me?

    Yes you do and that is how PWE works with their games. Take it or leave it! But be grateful that they don't make you pay with real money and that is if you alreayd have the AD to spend. Otherwise, Zen store is that way.......
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Bahh, 10k AD for a key is cheap, 50k AD to permanently unlock Malabog isn't too bad either. The time gating means that you can easily make enough AD from dailies between unlocking things in the new area.
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • ukatoenasniukatoenasni Member Posts: 224 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    You aren't really understanding it correctly. You don't have to pay a single red cent to access the new content. The amount of AD necessary to progress is also negligible and easily earnable alongside unlocking progress.

    If you're already wearing gear decent enough to ignore the Epic Dungeon, you can freely ignore that expenditure and instead focus on unlocking Boons (which is time-gated and not exactly a heavy expenditure) instead for the gear score boost and proceed to care very little at all about running anything else there.

    Boons are definately worth it, as passive defense or damage boosts, that by all indications works in any content (NOTE: I am not 100% sure if it does, if someone could confirm, I'd be keen on having that data).

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  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Boons are definately worth it, as passive defense or damage boosts, that by all indications works in any content

    Seriously, the first one alone is equal to a free 11th rank 9 Radiant or Azure Enchantment, And for just 5000 AD. It took a TON of arm twisting to get me to justify the horrible cost on that one. :rolleyes:

    As far as the rest, it seems fairly straight forward. Greater rewards means greater costs. If you want to loot more then one solo chest a day, you can, but farming it will cost you. For me, as someone who has yet to really enjoy or take part in much 5 man content. The ability to earn and gather weapon and armor enchantments makes the entire thing well worth the price of admission, for that singular reason alone. Anything else offered is just cake.
  • springmeadowspringmeadow Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2013
    I earn 6000 AD a day...maybe...someone tell me how you earn 50,000 plus to play in the new area. I can't live in NeverWinter btw...I spend a few hours a day here.
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I earn 6000 AD a day...maybe...someone tell me how you earn 50,000 plus to play in the new area. I can't live in NeverWinter btw...I spend a few hours a day here.

    You can fairly easily make 50.000+ per day. Invoke several times per day, get 3 professions (alchemy, leadership and one crafting profession) to 20, and run 7-8 AD-generating leadership tasks non-stop. Run 1-2 crafting tasks, typically to make exquisite gemmed shirts/pants (but note that you probably have to make 20-40 before you start showing profit).

    Occasionally (during Profession windows) do a profession run through some suitable area, like Rothe Valley.

    Quite frankly, the amount of AD and gold you have to pay to unlock the Feywild content is pretty trivial, compared to what you should be able to make once you have hit lvl 60 and geared up.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I earn 6000 AD a day...maybe...someone tell me how you earn 50,000 plus to play in the new area. I can't live in NeverWinter btw...I spend a few hours a day here.
    Gauntlgrym ~ 45 min to 1 hour for 5k AD and chance at salvageable epic
    PvP ~ 45 to 60 min for 4 runs + 20 mins queue for 4k AD
    Foundry ~ 60+ min for 4 foundries for 4K AD

    Total time = 2h 30m to 3h for 13k AD with possible Neverember bonus daily.

    Add in leadership at level 13+ and you can make another 4000+ AD a day from queuing tasks just two or three times a day.

    Finally, invoking gives around 3k a day.

    So for minimal effort you get around 20k AD each day when your leadership levels to 20 you can make around 19-20k just from leadership.

    This doesn't even need you to buy a bunch of purple crafters and sink time into microing the other professions. All this is fairly reasonable stuff per day, and if you haven't got enough time you can always split the daily quests over two days.
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    I earn 6000 AD a day...maybe...someone tell me how you earn 50,000 plus to play in the new area. I can't live in NeverWinter btw...I spend a few hours a day here.

    Well on August 22 the Neverember Daily was PvP. Four matches of PvP would award 4K Astral Diamonds for the normal daily and 8K Astral Diamonds for the Neverember daily. Just doing a single daily (which counted for two) awarded 12K Astral Diamonds alone.

    Then you have the Foundry Daily which awards 4K, Gauntlgrym awards 4-6K depending on whether or not you do PvP, Daily Skirmish gives 4K.

    And of course once you reach level 12 or so in Leadership you can get at least a few thousand AD every six hours.

    Now with the salvager if you do a dungeon you will get 3K minimum on each T1 drop and 6K minimum on each T2 drop and that includes seal items which are pretty cheap to purchase. You can, very easilly, with a bit of effort and a couple of hours time get 20K Astral Diamonds. You might have to do things that you wouldn't normally do or try but it's not that hard. :)
  • springmeadowspringmeadow Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2013
    I don't do PVP, and soloing in Gauntylgrm I die. I can do a Foundry and a skirmish but I'd have to do a lot to make 50,000 AD ..hahahaha I'm here to have fun...so that is my point. Skirmishes are not really fun. The quests are fun.
    And I don't see any AD when I'm doing professions. I"m making boots and pelts and gaining xp pts. Not one AD there.

    What is a T1 and T2 drop?

    And I don't get AD every time I Invoke. Remember I dont' live here in NeverWinter.
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I don't do PVP, and soloing in Gauntylgrm I die. I can do a Foundry and a skirmish but I'd have to do a lot to make 50,000 AD ..hahahaha I'm here to have fun...so that is my point. Skirmishes are not really fun. The quests are fun.
    And I don't see any AD when I'm doing professions. I"m making boots and pelts and gaining xp pts. Not one AD there.

    What is a T1 and T2 drop?

    And I don't get AD every time I Invoke. Remember I dont' live here in NeverWinter.

    You get AD from some leadership tasks - this is why leadership should be your main profession. if you don't find skirmishes fun, well...then I can't help you there. As for T1/T2 drops - uh, that's basically the high-end armour sets from the epic dungeons.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • springmeadowspringmeadow Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2013
    Thanks I do see 100 AD in a locked section in the Leadership section.
  • parp12parp12 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    soloing in Gauntylgrm I die.

    You don't have to kill anything to do GG PVE, just collect items. If you get aggro run away. If you die so what? There's no penalty apart from having to go back.
    And I don't see any AD when I'm doing professions. I"m making boots and pelts and gaining xp pts. Not one AD there.
    It's the leadership profession which gives AD. Professions take a long time and a big investment (you need to spend about 4 million AD to buy some assets. If you're finding 50k AD a challenge I'm guessing you don't have access to that) before you start to make any AD back.

    Make sure you invoke every day and get the coffer every 7 days (if you can't log in every day I posted on how to automate a few days ago), even if you just get the green ward it's worth a few k AD.

    *.
  • psycadelicapsycadelica Member Posts: 38
    edited August 2013
    adinosii wrote: »
    You can fairly easily make 50.000+ per day. Invoke several times per day, get 3 professions (alchemy, leadership and one crafting profession) to 20, and run 7-8 AD-generating leadership tasks non-stop. Run 1-2 crafting tasks, typically to make exquisite gemmed shirts/pants (but note that you probably have to make 20-40 before you start showing profit).

    Occasionally (during Profession windows) do a profession run through some suitable area, like Rothe Valley.

    Quite frankly, the amount of AD and gold you have to pay to unlock the Feywild content is pretty trivial, compared to what you should be able to make once you have hit lvl 60 and geared up.

    Make 50k a day? yes might make 50k rough diamonds, but u cant refine it, and with the epics from DD all beiong BoP and salvageable for rough astral diamonds its just stupid, over 2 days to get the 50k needed for malabog castle, Hope PWE ttake a hit to their pockets with this patch, less Ad being made, less people buying Zen from exchange, less people selling Zen on exchange, less people buying Zen from PWE,
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Make 50k a day? yes might make 50k rough diamonds, but u cant refine it,

    Did you actually read what I said? Guess not....

    In my case the big AD comes from profession runs (and selling several rank 5 enchants and runestones at the AH every day) and from crafting. The rough AD is just a bonus.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • kobrakai2kobrakai2 Member Posts: 147 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Made 2 million AD so far today, not seeing the problem...
  • sangrinesangrine Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Spend more time at the auction house.
    You can earn so much AD selling stuff on the AH.
    Soon after I became 60, I somehow (cant remember now) got this free blue leatherworking tool.
    Sold it on the AH for almost 300k AD.
    Almost everything can be sold on the AH (except for the recent bind on pickup items).

    If you are not profiting from making boots and pelts, then stop making them.
    Level leadership to 20. Then, you can spend time on other professions, if you wish.
  • joebaejoebae Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 40
    edited August 2013
    I don't do PVP, and soloing in Gauntylgrm I die. I can do a Foundry and a skirmish but I'd have to do a lot to make 50,000 AD ..hahahaha I'm here to have fun...so that is my point. Skirmishes are not really fun. The quests are fun.
    And I don't see any AD when I'm doing professions. I"m making boots and pelts and gaining xp pts. Not one AD there.

    What is a T1 and T2 drop?

    And I don't get AD every time I Invoke. Remember I dont' live here in NeverWinter.

    Roll some alts and train leadership.
    Anyway, why would you need the key if you solo in Gauntlegrym?
    You are aware of that MC is a group instance that can't be soloed?
  • springmeadowspringmeadow Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2013
    I don't want to solo in Gauntlegrym it's too hard. I want to do quests and as I read thru how to make AD I believe that NeverWinter is not for me. They don't want me playing, so I will go elsewhere and find a new game. Thanks for ALL your responses.
  • facexcontrolfacexcontrol Member Posts: 281
    edited August 2013
    kobrakai2 wrote: »
    Made 2 million AD so far today, not seeing the problem...

    ^ Like a BOSS xD
  • ordensmarschallordensmarschall Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,060 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Making AD is a 2 to 3 hour a day job. I only have that kind of time on my days off. I play how I want to, mainly to have fun. I will grind sometimes to get something I want, but that is rare. I do sell stuff in Auction House, but I don't use it as an AD mill, mainly just stuff I don't want or need. That gets some extra AD occasionally. I don't play games to work at them. I don't care if it takes a week to get enough AD to do whatever. I also hate speed runs, again I play to have fun, not feel like I am at work rushing all the time. How on earth is that relaxing? Don't let the Professional AD workers scare you off, play how you want.
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Making AD is a ten minute a day job, unless you're looking for millions, or you want lots of it NOW!

    Log in, invoke, refresh leadership tasks. Any other playtime you want to spend on the game, do whatever you want.


    Yes, having alts helps with this.
  • krisst0fkrisst0f Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I earn 6000 AD a day...maybe...someone tell me how you earn 50,000 plus to play in the new area. I can't live in NeverWinter btw...I spend a few hours a day here.

    Only if you can actually get purple items... Now you will probably only be getting blue unsalvageable HAMSTER when you kill a boss.

    Oh yeah, now from treasure chests, you get all the rank3 crappy enchantments you need, not rank 4 anymore... nice for a T2 dungeon..
  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Making AD is a ten minute a day job, unless you're looking for millions, or you want lots of it NOW!

    Log in, invoke, refresh leadership tasks. Any other playtime you want to spend on the game, do whatever you want.


    Yes, having alts helps with this.

    Replacing Leadership assets lost to bugged code isn't a 10 min job,professions is russian roulette at the moment...
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Do I really have to pay to access a new area in the new end game content so that I can get gear that is worse than the gear that I'm already wearing and that I can't sell?

    Somebody please explain the benefit to me?

    No, you don't have to pay anything to go into Sharandar.

    You can go, do the dailies quests and dungeons without paying anything. You'll eventually need AD to unlock various tiers of the Campaign, but there's no cost at all to go into the new content.

    Not sure where you got that idea from.
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  • hobokenboyhobokenboy Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    but there's no cost at all to go into the new content.

    I had a long diatribe, but it's really not worth it to get worked up over for a game I no longer participate in. Suffice to say that this is just another step down a road I predicted back in beta testing coming true.
    I'm unhappy and I can't say why.
  • mier1012mier1012 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    You guys are wasting your time. No matter what you say the op and others who are acting negatively are not going to have fun in this game regardless. This is why so many people hate WoW. It spoiled mmo gamers by giving them everything on a silver platter and now people expect every mmo to do the same. You pretty much have to give people a full set of epics and 20 mil in game gold/AD/Zen (whatever the monetary unit is in said game) or players do nothing but complain from day 1. 50k AD is trivial. If the OP is soloing GG and has to ask what Tier 1/2 is then he doesn't need to worry about going to the new instance anyway.
  • rortierortie Member Posts: 178 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    50k+AD/day? For you maybe. Hardcore gamers I am sure are happy as larry with those specifics. I don't have the time required to do that. I don't mind grinders getting access to slightly better stuff, but those new mechanics related to the new areas are almost as disappointing as the poor lockbox management recently. Still, those of you who can farm 50K AD per day are probably better customers for buying Zen too. Maybe I'm in the wrong place, but this all seems a bit too power hungry to me.
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  • zalcszalcs Banned Users Posts: 345 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    tang56 wrote: »
    Gauntlgrym ~ 45 min to 1 hour for 5k AD and chance at salvageable epic
    PvP ~ 45 to 60 min for 4 runs + 20 mins queue for 4k AD
    Foundry ~ 60+ min for 4 foundries for 4K AD

    Total time = 2h 30m to 3h for 13k AD with possible Neverember bonus daily.

    Add in leadership at level 13+ and you can make another 4000+ AD a day from queuing tasks just two or three times a day.

    Finally, invoking gives around 3k a day.

    So for minimal effort you get around 20k AD each day when your leadership levels to 20 you can make around 19-20k just from leadership.

    This doesn't even need you to buy a bunch of purple crafters and sink time into microing the other professions. All this is fairly reasonable stuff per day, and if you haven't got enough time you can always split the daily quests over two days.

    2h 30min doing boring ****, especially VERY boring if doing it solo is effortless? i play to have fun, not to spend huge amounts of time for VERY minimal money gain...
  • mier1012mier1012 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I don't make 50k/day. I do good to make the 24k rough limit in a couple hours a day which is about all I play. With that being said I don't expect to be able to zip through the entirety of the content in a single day either. Where is the fun in that? You go through all of the content and then what? Complain because you have nothing to do? The power players do their thing which is run heroics, farm, zip through the game and that is fine by me if that is what they want to do. I have no delusions that I am going to have the best gear or 30 million AD and I am happy with that. I think multi-player console games are best suited for some gamers as mmos seem to bring out the worst in people. I actually like the way they set up the new content to be taken a little at a time instead of unlocking it all for a 6 hour clear. I bought zen twice. Once for a mount for all of my characters so I do not have to keep buying them for each individual one and again for extra bank space, another bag and 2 more character slots. I am able to get anything else in the game I may want with a little time and patience.
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