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Nerfs across the board but no Permastealth nerf?
taurnilelensar
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I see plenty of Nerfing here but not what needs to be done!
If the Monsters are being nerfed to compensate the class nerfing you need to state it. End Game is barely playable now. The peeps in the Twitch Marathon broadcast were geared up to the point I can't even get to, level 10 enchantments, could not finish the Delv.
I have multiple Classes, all but the DC. I have a Rouge build for PvE not PvP.
Why is Cryptic destroying the PvE end of the game for the sake of a few in PvP?
Instead of doing what needs to be done and SEPARATE the game mechanics between the to play types?
It would be the best and most fair thing to do.
PVE guilds are collapsing because members just are not playing. Peeps are not signing on because they feel that the game is stacked against them.
So where is the permastealth Nerf?
"Trickster Rogue
Cloud of Steel: This power now has 8 maximum charges, down from 12.
Cloud of Steel: Momentum is no longer maintained when jumping and throwing daggers.
Duelist's Flurry: This power no longer incorrectly gains slightly too much of a benefit from the Power stat.
Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
Gloaming Cut: This power works best as an execute, but lacked the damage to fill that role. To help it better serve its function, it now deals up to 50% more damage (at max rank) based on the target's missing health. In addition, rank 3 of the power now provides more Stealth on kill, and rank 1 provides slightly less.
Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 15 / 20 / 25% bonus damage, down from 20 / 40 / 60%.
Lurker's Assault: This power now teleports the player to the targeted enemy, if an enemy is targeted.
Lurker's Assault: This power can no longer be canceled by Disable effects.
Shadow Strike: This power no longer incorrectly gains slightly too much of a benefit from the Power stat.
Sly Flourish: The benefit this power gains from the Power stat has been slightly reduced.
Wicked Reminder: This power no longer incorrectly gains slightly too much of a benefit from the Power stat.
Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs."
I don't see it listed, where is it ?
If the Monsters are being nerfed to compensate the class nerfing you need to state it. End Game is barely playable now. The peeps in the Twitch Marathon broadcast were geared up to the point I can't even get to, level 10 enchantments, could not finish the Delv.
I have multiple Classes, all but the DC. I have a Rouge build for PvE not PvP.
Why is Cryptic destroying the PvE end of the game for the sake of a few in PvP?
Instead of doing what needs to be done and SEPARATE the game mechanics between the to play types?
It would be the best and most fair thing to do.
PVE guilds are collapsing because members just are not playing. Peeps are not signing on because they feel that the game is stacked against them.
So where is the permastealth Nerf?
"Trickster Rogue
Cloud of Steel: This power now has 8 maximum charges, down from 12.
Cloud of Steel: Momentum is no longer maintained when jumping and throwing daggers.
Duelist's Flurry: This power no longer incorrectly gains slightly too much of a benefit from the Power stat.
Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
Gloaming Cut: This power works best as an execute, but lacked the damage to fill that role. To help it better serve its function, it now deals up to 50% more damage (at max rank) based on the target's missing health. In addition, rank 3 of the power now provides more Stealth on kill, and rank 1 provides slightly less.
Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 15 / 20 / 25% bonus damage, down from 20 / 40 / 60%.
Lurker's Assault: This power now teleports the player to the targeted enemy, if an enemy is targeted.
Lurker's Assault: This power can no longer be canceled by Disable effects.
Shadow Strike: This power no longer incorrectly gains slightly too much of a benefit from the Power stat.
Sly Flourish: The benefit this power gains from the Power stat has been slightly reduced.
Wicked Reminder: This power no longer incorrectly gains slightly too much of a benefit from the Power stat.
Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs."
I don't see it listed, where is it ?
If anyone on TV tells you they can make life fair they are liars!! :rolleyes:
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Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
On the other hand, as a TR, the following nerfs seriously SHOULD have been implemented to the other classes:
1. GF re-use time on the knockback should be 3x longer what it is currently. Also, blocks should be much more restricted to the direction they face with their shield.
2. Range on CW powers that disable opponents should never be longer than 60'.
3. GWF are basically as tough as GF and damage like a TR. Make up your mind here - either severely nerf their immunities and self-heal options or severely nerf their damage options. My suggestion is they should have great AoE and close-quarters defense but vulnerable to ranged attack and attacks from the rear.
4. Why oh why would anyone nerf anything on the DC - they should definitely get some love - I'd like to see something where they can augment an ally's attacks and as a rider, get "Credit" for that damage / kills.
The fact that all of the complaints about balance come from PvP play when there is only 1 mode and are only 2 maps is ASTOUNDING!!!! Please stop whining about balance and start crying about more PvP maps and content. Afterall, it's painfully obvious that everyone crying for balance is referring to PvP....
You are missing my point, You and I are in agreement in part, They are nerfing all the classes making PVE harder, meanwhile the one glaring nerf the needs to be done seems to be totally ignored. Permastealth. PvP is more than 2 arena maps don't forget Gauntlgrym. The current newest content in the game, the PvP part is nearly unplayable if the opposing team has 2 or 3 permastealth Rouges. the only reason I play PvP is for my guild and the AD. I do not like PvP play in a RPGMMO. I was very disappointed when I discovered the GG has a PvP element. You obviously did not read my post BTW
Permastealth rogues are OP and must be nerfed, because it's vital for the health of the endgame. /waiting for the stated reaction/
i see what you did there
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ok they are nerfing the general dps and crit rates of every class, notice clerics and CW are getting a cut in AP generation
GWF are getting cuts in deflection as well.
they aren't trying to nerf pvp at all. All the nerfs seem to have some buffs attached as well. the nerf consistency implies that they very well may not affect pvp much at all. they mostly seem to either be bug fixes or a consistant attempt to lower DPS.
Maybe they are trying to make the game... Harder because people complain it is to easy.
CLEARLY (sorry for caps) the dev team are not playing end game PVP. No, no, no, you aren't.
If they were they would have noticed that:
1. Clerics need love too.
2. Rogue stealth is a problem. Especially in a combo with immunity (wtf?). Broken as intended?
Further on, why aren't they fixing match making? Playing with/against a 7k GS is boring as hell and makes 3 out of 4 PVP rounds drop players.
I played 7-8 rounds straight yesterday where none of them ended due to players dropping. Sure, even higher GS player drop against GWF that are too hard to kill and TR running around insta killing what comes in their path from stealth.
Oh, and to the PVE players. I'm just as sorry as you. They should separate PVE from PVP. Frustration is however multiplied with pi (3,14) in PVP.
uh the nerf to hammer of fate is huge and the supposed added effect is pretty bunk it just seems slapped together , the AP generation didnt really need a nerf either we werent spamming dailies or anything clerics could have used a nice buff in survival not a nerf .
Hi. I'll bold out the ones that basically kill a permastealth's offensive capabilities.
Cloud of Steel: This is one of the main at-wills used by us. Down from 12 charges to 8, this skill no longer has the rewards it used to have back then. I foresee more rogues playing with Shadow Strike, Dazing Strike, Impossible to Catch + Duelist's Fury in order to get crits and bleeds in. The only way 8 Charges of Cloud of Steel can kill someone now is via the use of the Legendary Iliyanbruen TR Set and 7x Greater Tenebrous Enchantments. Otherwise, the opponent is fairly undergeared to die from 8 charges of CoS. Or the TR is armed to the teeth with Perfect Vorpal, BiS gear etc.
Lurker's Assault: This is (will be "was") the Daily that allowed permastealth (or any TR's for that matter) to deal an increased amount of damage for 10 seconds. Just 10 seconds which TR's like to get the most out of. So they start unloading their Lashing Blades, Cloud of Steel and Impact Shots at this point and kill people. AP Generation for TR's however is absurdly slow so we only get to do this in PVP at certain situations. Now it only grants 25% damage. Usable, but not as much as before.
This skill also teleports a TR to a foe. This can be a good thing or a bad thing. Good for Executioner TR's who do not use permastealth. Bad for Permastealth TR's whose main weapon and mode of defense is to stay as far away as possible from the opponents.
Shadow Strike: Gone are the days we could kill people with this via a nice crit on low HP CW's. Not too much of a loss but still contributes to damage.
Sly Flourish: The at-will permastealth TR's use when out of CoS charges. Or any TR out of CoS for that matter. It's fast, reliable, and now deals slightly less damage thanks to it not benefiting to the Power stat as much as before.
The permastealth build, stealth-based builds, and the entirety of the TR population's DPS has been reduced. Not just the build alone. However there are a lot of other ways in order to get insane burst for PVP, to the point that it may still 1 - 2 shot people. Provided the TR have power stacked, using the Master Assassin 4pc set bonus (+1450 Power when using a Daily), Invisible Infiltrator (+15% Damage Bonus), have Brutal Backstab and Perfect Vorpal (+75% Crit Severity) and has the Overrun Critical (+35% damage of Critical Severity on next attack) buff active, he can still get insane numbers via this strategy.
- Use Lurker's Assault to teleport to your opponent and get the +25% damage increase
- Then use Impossible to Catch feated with Scoundrel's Press the Advantage for +10% Power (will not go out of stealth since it's used in Lurker's Assault)
- Lashing Blade from Stealth for a guaranteed critical hit.
And that's just one theoretical way to do this. The TR community will surely come up with other ways. TR's specialize in dealing damage in bursts. If they're doing too much damage compared to the other classes, then clearly they are doing their roles right. We are primarily strikers. Permastealth TR's mixed that role with our defensive mechanic, Stealth, and do not have the means to deal as much burst as that after the patch. It's either you get your kills slowly in the shadows, or you get them fast by being an Executioner/Scoundrel.
Threads like these are what lead to these nerfs you are crying about. You are part of the problem with this game.
With wavering loyally,
- perma is still viable spec, yes its 50% lurkers nerf + 50% daggers nerf + no momentum, but the fact that you can still contest point 24/7 still remains.
Also, lurkers is used to stay in stealth mostly, the dmg is just a bonus.
Instead of nerfing executioner tree they nerf the powers/mechanics of the rogue, doesn't even make sense, rogues will still roam around 1 shotting CWs and contest points 24/7 after the patch, nice job cryptic team!
The at wills reducing stealth testing was an example.
But they should use another way about environment and counter.
It's really simple when you think like that.
FOR PVE.
-They just need to give the abillity for each dungeon BOSS to see the unseen and also for each powerfull dungeon trash who are not basic.
It's a basic thing used by most of the MMORPG to avoid PVE exploits considering the stealh class.
Boss and big trash are immune to CC daze, stun and slow, but are still blind ?????
It makes no sense.
FOR PVP.
Add TRUE counters aginst stealh user and don't try to change the stealth mode class each months.
-Simple idea
Give the DC astral shield encounter the ability to break the stealh mode inside the circle.
It will be more tactic for PVP but you can also imagine new epic dungeon PVE encounter with this ability.
It's just an idea but it's really bad to see there are not usefull skill designed to have a true counter against stealh mode.
If you are being serious about what you just typed , then you completely missed the point of PS rogues .
And yeah, the suggestion that devs should concentrate on content and not class balance is rubbish. While new content may keep a few players back as well as attract new players, the frustration building up with class imbalances will just lead to a lot more rage quits. Adding new content (in timely manner) is a completely valid suggestion if this was a PvE only game. Unless the new content includes gear that acts as a workaround to fixing the imbalance (i.e. better gear for the weaker classes ) is the only way that new content can satisfy both players. However, Devs need to split their time to address both issues.
Cryptic clearly thinks it's a fair build, but if they're going to use it...
... their going to hit like anorexic babies lol.
If you call LA and CoS nerfs class breaking, then you have no idea how to play a rogue.
Lantis - The issue is the combat team that makes these sort of decisions has no idea how the game is actually played. Even when you watch the NW Stream the players behind the keyboard are about average players. The company needs pro games that know the mechanic's and creative builds so they can assist in the right direction.
Yes, this is well known. However, it has not yet stopped the endless complaints about TR's and stealth. Permastealth rogues are very easy to kill for every other class, and a guildy pointed out to me the other night that even TR's have an ability that can hit a stealthed rogue.
A perma rogue has to choose specific ability scores when creating their character; they must level these scores with each opportunity they get ignoring more dps orienting or class specific scores; must choose certain feats to compliment the build; must fill their offensive enchant slots with silvery enchants for recovery; must use 2 particular encounters every time they pvp (shadow strike and bait n switch) which do nothing to your hp; they give up their usefulness in grp pve coz' perma stealth is only useful for pvp and solo play and even if they switch gear and powers to run a dungeon....they invested all their ability scores in freakin' intelligence and chose feats to last longer in stealth rather than more dps capabilities.
My problem with complainers is that they spend all this time arguing how OP being invisible is that they fail to realize that if they switch out only 1 or 2 encounters from their norm pvp setup to hit the unseen rogue(preferably w/ a Dot), maybe equipping a second weapon with a Bilethorn enchant can work too then they can beat the PTR w/ less effort put into a build than they put into theirs. It has been brought to my attention that bilethorn drains stealth faster than other dots, havent tested it myself but still.....dots drain stealth! Little sacrifices can be made in order to defeat perma rogues but players want to use their same gear and skill combination to beat every build in the game and call that balance. At the end of the day you can switch back to your original skill setup and gear and run epics or more pvp and own while the perma TR can only slap other complainers with his wet sponge in another domination or GG match. Nerfing TR's damage nerf'd perma stealth by a lot but most dont even know the 1st thing about the perma-stealth build's limitations to begin with. Oh btw i'm not a PTR, i just dont like all the complaints.