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So it is ok for a TR to do 22-34K and 1-shot people?
irk2013
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I mean seriously devs is this the type of game you want? Where a player has 0 chance of fighting back against a class that you can't see?
For if it is I am gone not going to put up with the BS for very long, we had to deal with it in DAOC not going to do it in this game.
For if it is I am gone not going to put up with the BS for very long, we had to deal with it in DAOC not going to do it in this game.
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And yes, if the opposing player has spent 1000's of dollars on enchants, they are probably going to destroy you, regardless of class...luckily, this is less than 5% of the population. Assuming you have somewhat decent gear, and you know how to play your class and understand what the rogue is doing to you, there are TONS of things you can do to avoid it...If the devs listened to every new player that just got dominated in PvP then this game would already be dead. Statistics suggest that you are either under-geared, under-skilled (build, skill choice, proper execution of your skills based on what is attacking you), you don't understand the class that is beating you OR all 3...As you can see, the chances are that its your fault and not the Devs'.
This community has a fairly active and passionate, core group of players and I can almost guarantee you that any gripes you have have not only already been brought up, but have been debated at length.
Seeing that the devs will NOT nerf TR's I have nothing to worry about.
Move along nothing to see here (literally)
Please do, you might actually get a clue. (My main is a CW)
You should for sure do this. Then you will understand the class that is beating you. You will also see that the class doesn't just automatically WTFPAWN everyone as you put it. My guess is you will come back to these forums after leveling rogue and make another post about how GF, GWF or CW are too OP.... Most decent players are more than capable of consistently beating rogues across all classes. Play all the classes and you will realize they are actually fairly balanced...
i play both classes (left my poor favorite CW) and my suggestion is to pick one of them... considering PVE contents classes will/should not be nerfed... instead they should give "unstoppable" to some other classes as well
i cannot disagree more... im playing rogue and doing it very well... far from uber gear
The people who say stuff like that are the ones who DO NOT WANT THEIR PRECIOUS CLASS NERFED. They spread lies and falsehoods about said class all in the hopes that their class will not get nerfed.
When someone says that a class that can 1 shot people and kill from stealth is balanced I know they blowing smoke out their ***.
What do you disagree with? I don't remember saying that you have to have uber gear in order to play a class well...maybe you are confused? I said that he should for sure play a rogue so he can understand the class, learn its abilities and, as a result, get better at combatting them in PvP...you cannot disagree more with this?? Lol...
Rogues are middle of the road, even with good gear. GWFs and GFs are a different story. If you can't dodge LB 8/10 times when you're not being held then its a L2P issue.
Classes are fairly balanced dude. I have a 12.1k gs rogue and know what they are capable of. But I also have no problem beating them most of the time with the other 3 classes I play. By in large, the people complaining about balance are the ones who only play one class and don't understand how the class that is beating them works. A rogue with 100's of dollars worth of enchants isn't any more OP than any other class doing the same thing...really, its true...
Why do you think there are so many threads saying that Rogue, GF, GWF and CW are OP? I'll tell you why. Its because they got owned by someone who has invested insane amounts of AD into their character to the point that they are OP. Please learn the difference between core class mechanics being OP and very very expensive enchants making those core mechanics OP...News flash, its happening on EVERY CLASS! Learn to play your class, Learn to play the class that is beating you. If you still get owned by a guy that spent 1000$ on their character, shake it off and move on. Please stop assuming you got beat because the devs aren't aware of class imbalances that you somehow are....
You're doing ok cos u been lucky.
One day you'll meet another Tr with full Greater Tene, and a greater/perfect vorpal. Then u will see how "ok" u do.
Also please spare me the usual "in fact i have gone up against these types and won" The internet makes alotta heroes and storytellers.
Double posted and qouted for the truth.
Kids these days expect to own ppl that put in thousands without putting in a dime/insane amount of farming time.
Time to grow up.
As has been said till exhaustion on these forums...full greater tene's + perfect vorpal will make ANY class OP as they cost an insane amount of real world money to get. This setup does NOT indicate that a certain class is OP.
Dude, i'm agreeing with you.
I know, I was using your quote to prove a point to others. Sorry for the confusion ;-)
Although quite RUDE, i got to admit........this is true.
I'm rocking the EXACT setup, and if you're not rocking the same......SO SORRY.
That being said, I have gone up against EQUALLY uber enchanted peeps, and except for DC...It's all quite balanced.
Get it through your head ppl, if you are rocking usual rank 5-7 enchants and going up against someone with uber enchants...youre gonna lose. ALL THE TIME, EVERYTIME.
Simple as that.
Like HARRISON said......"Ya brought a knife to a gun fight"
Okay, bye. Does this mean you're going to stop creating endless threads complaining about the same things after each successive one is locked/deleted?
But to pretend this hasn't been written before, you're wrong.
First, more classes than TR's can do that kind of damage. If it one-shots you, then pretty much anyone and everyone has your number in PvP.
Second, other classes can do that kind of damage more easily. A CW, GF, and DC can nail you with huge amounts of damage in very short order - without using a daily. Which a TR is going to have to use to hit those numbers.
Third, I have no idea how or what you play but Lashing Blade can be dodged and every single class but TR's have ways of damaging a TR in stealth unless it is during the few seconds that Impossible to Catch is up. If you have missed all of those other thread talking about it (and there have been many), feel free to send me a PM talking about your character and I will be more than happy to spend a few minutes making suggestions for how to fight a TR in stealth.
So please, stop creating all of these complaint threads.
^Exactly. People play 1 class to 60 and get some "decent" gear and then head into PvP and get destroyed by people who have played and understand all of the classes, played PvP for way longer, have way way better gear or have greater/perfect enchants in every slot. Then they come on these forums and complain about class balance...There are so many variables that go into why someone is getting beat in PvP and class balance isn't even in the top 5.
I don't know where this mentality of "I got beat so the game must be the problem" came from. But when you call the Devs out in your opening post, I suggest you at least know what you are talking about...Unless you have played and understand every class and really know why you are getting beat, you can't really talk about game balance...
for those who didnt understand me, or my english is not very well...
i DONT want any class nerfed.. im playing those classes... we can flaming days and nights here and this will not affect devs to nerf or not specific class... they have their own tests and they know what class is how strong or OP...
but u cant tell me it is excident that GWF are most played class in game and TR after them... i also enjoying kick *** in PVP u know
Un, are you trying to claim that GWFs are the class with the most players?
what i mean is my rogue doing huge dmg... not 1 shot, but still... and im not well geared at all... so imagine uber rogue... u can study rogue class as much as u want, but if that class can 1 shot u from stealth, there is no dodge that can help u here, my friend....
I'm not sure they are the most played classes, but even if they are, that doesn't mean their core class mechanics need to automatically be nerfed. Both Rogue and GWF only become really OP when they have insane amounts of AD dumped into them. The point that seems to keep being overlooked on these forums is that the classes themselves are actually quite balanced and its only the small percentage of people that have the best in slot enchants that are making people think a certain class is OP. Hence why simple claims like "I got 1 shotted so the Devs are obviously clueless" get flamed.
Even on a losing team who lost 1000 -250 their TR's will be at the top in both pnts and kills and have low death as well.
No stats prove that the classes are indeed NOT as balanced as you would like to think.
I'm well aware that there are tons of people who aren't aware of how to not get dominated by a Rogue. Hats off to you for doing so well with your mediocre gear. The point is that just because the OP gets 1 shotted by Rogues does NOT mean that the class is automatically OP. If a rogue burns its daily and sneaks up behind you and lands lashing blade, good for it and shame on you. Get it? As has been stated, other classes are more than capable of doing similar damage, and most don't have to burn a daily to do it.
OP is calling out the Devs and saying he/she is going to quit and my point is that class balance is, more than likely, NOT to blame. From what I hear you saying, you have no idea what uber geared combat looks like, but that you are dominating in basic gear. To this I say, Hi five bro! Grats for being so awesome. But speculating that an entire class in unbalanced because you do well in bad gear is severely missing the point...my friend.
stats are like bikini... showing everything.. but nothing :P
Lol. Because there is more to PvP than killing, Rogues are supposed to kill (thats why they die easy) and PUG's are filled with unbalanced teams (gear, skill, teamwork etc.) How about we start calling for GS divided queues, different PVP types with different rewards and new PvP maps instead of crying all the time about how OP a class that you keep getting dominated by is. I play all of the classes, do you?
At lower levels PvP seems fairly balanced because you don't get hit by massive crits so often.
As a CW when my Ice Knife hits with the right combo (ray of enfeeblement, the debuff from conduit of ice feat and Knightmare wizardry) I can hit for 14K plus. I've seen people hit me for close to 20k with the same combo, that is a massive chunk of health for most classes and even for me it takes the fun out of PvP when I can pretty much kill a class with little effort.
On the same not I've seen TR, GWF and GF kill me in seconds and a DC out heal my damage with ease.
Now the problem with nerfs is the break the classes for PvE where damage like that is needed so i prupose some sort of debuff in PvP to bring it down without killing the classes PvE potential.
Not always. LB can hit even when the rogue is a few feet out. Smart TRs place it just before they get in range to see the shimmer. It's not impossible, but I PVP a lot against some good TRs, and they can make it hit. L2Dodge/L2P sounds really great on the forums. Just try going up against Aditi, Click, or Saoish on Mindflayer. Not so simple.
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I think you are missing the point the OP was attempting to make, which several people, including myself, are arguing...but since you brought it up, you know what else sounds really great on the forums? "X class is for sure OP because they keep dominating me and the dev's have no clue so i'm probably going to quit"...
"Learn 2 play" puts the blame on the player (which, more often than not, IS the problem) whereas saying that a class is OP puts the blame on the Dev's (which is likely much less of a factor than the player not knowing what they are doing on why they keep getting beat.) Thinking that the game is broken and that the devs are to blame for your failures is MUCH easier to swallow than admitting that you might not understand everything there is to understand about this game and might need to get a better understanding of what is actually happening when you lose. Get it?